What is a controversial Moto-related opinion you have?

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Kelz87 12/6/2021 5:20am
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The last two generations of Honda CRFs have been/are the ugliest bikes ever made.
I think they are the best looking models Honda has produced since the 90’s steel frames IMO lol
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queen of spodes 12/6/2021 5:28am
12/6/2021 5:28am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2021 5:29am
Cortami79 wrote:
The OEM’s didn’t work hard enough the past 20 years to reduce the noise of the bikes. I don’t care about it but non-moto people do...
The OEM’s didn’t work hard enough the past 20 years to reduce the noise of the bikes. I don’t care about it but non-moto people do.

There should be a minimum wage for riders in both Gp’s and AMA. It’s insane that some of those guys take huge risks and don’t even get paid, or barely get paid

The Amateur system at the AMA is outdated with the pure focus of LL and Mini O’s.

The GP’s are starting to look like F1 with all those riders buying themselves in for 300k a year instead if earning it
Gotta hard agree here. Moto and especially off-road culture once cared a ton about noise, we had slogans like Less Noise, More Ground etc. DbSnorkel made a silicone thing that slipped over silencers that made them super quiet, with no net loss in power. They went out of business when 4-strokes became the premier bike to race and ride.

Kills me that someone would spend 500-1000 on a pipe/silencer combo that maybe gives them an extra 2-3 hp, yet makes their bikes obnoxiously loud. Anything to shave .1 second off their practice lap times.

Loud as fuck 4-strokes are trash and cause more people to hate us and our sport than it does attract new riders.

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queen of spodes 12/6/2021 5:34am
12/6/2021 5:34am
JustMX wrote:
I think 4 strokes have hurt motocross by making it too expensive and complex. Further more, they have increased the frequency and severity of serious injuries...
I think 4 strokes have hurt motocross by making it too expensive and complex.

Further more, they have increased the frequency and severity of serious injuries and fatalities by making it much easier for inexperienced riders to go faster than their skills are ready to handle and try to jump obstacles they don't have the real ability to do while not understanding the consequences.
Dude showed up at our local track on a newish YZ450F this weekend. It was his first dirt bike.
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Zesiger 112 12/6/2021 5:44am
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Local tracks have to many damn booter jumps.
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sandtrack315 12/6/2021 5:50am
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mvd61 wrote:
Possibly but it’s mostly due to folks lack of mobility and lack of strength at end range of motion. The majority has been taught that the...
Possibly but it’s mostly due to folks lack of mobility and lack of strength at end range of motion. The majority has been taught that the knee never goes ahead of the toe and there’s no need to go below parallel. More weight training and less cycling.

Bosu ball belongs in the trash with the indo board.
sandtrack315 wrote:
It’s called the “phantom foot” phenomenon, where the tail of the ski, which acts like an alternate (or “phantom”) foot, combined with the stiff back of...
It’s called the “phantom foot” phenomenon, where the tail of the ski, which acts like an alternate (or “phantom”) foot, combined with the stiff back of a ski boot, functions as a lever to apply a singular blend of twisting and bending weight loads to the knee. The centrally located anterior cruciate ligament, which connects the femur and tibia bones and helps stabilize the knee, can’t handle the stress.

This isn’t a common occurrence in moto. I get that the force has to go somewhere, and stiff boots transfer more force, though.
TheGetFresh wrote:
The “phantom foot” phenomenon is well documented because skiing injuries are studied to a greater degree than lower leg injuries in MX. Simply having a well...
The “phantom foot” phenomenon is well documented because skiing injuries are studied to a greater degree than lower leg injuries in MX. Simply having a well defined sequence and memorable name doesn’t mean that the contributing factors to those injuries are unique to the sport of skiing. There may be a “phantom foot” type injury in motocross that hasn’t been named so because the sport doesn’t command the same level of academic interest as skiing. The “phantom foot” in skiing damages the ACL because the ankle cannot move. I’m arguing that binding the ankle in motocross contributes to knee injuries also, albeit through different mechanisms.

And mvd61, I agree that the typical rider has poor mobility and strength in his knees and lower leg. I think that’s the reason for the popularity of super stiff boots.
Also, I bet Romain Febvre was happy he had stiff boots on. There are always trade-offs. I am not sure what is worse, a totally destroyed ankle, or a torn ACL.
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kage173 12/6/2021 6:17am
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queen of spodes wrote:
Dude showed up at our local track on a newish YZ450F this weekend. It was his first dirt bike.
He will get hurt or scared and quit the sport within 5 rides. If he bought that thing at a dealership the sales guy should be tarred and feathered. Makes me furious hearing that stuff.
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Brad460 12/6/2021 6:27am
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blockhead17 wrote:
Buckle up for this one..
Some wheelie boys are unbelievably talented
Want to see folks get worked up…let me add to this..

The police need to stop harassing the wheelie boys.
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TheRookie 12/6/2021 6:33am
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Florida/Southeast tracks are better than the ones I have been to in SoCal.

I also absolutely hate wheelie boys. I'm not far from the Wheelie Capital and I believe the bike theft numbers in the area are closely related.
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rohleder644 12/6/2021 6:49am
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Moto in general has been on a steady decline in “cool” since the early 2000’s. All these lame ass insta edits and training facilities and SX doing it’s best to cannibalize the great outdoors.

I miss 2 strokes. The 4 stroke nationals. Everything being cheaper. No A kit on every single vet bike. Enduros requiring an odometer and roll chart. Off road racing being totally grass roots. The local moto scene thriving. Catching as many gate drops as humanly possible. SX being the sideshow to MX. Carburetors and kick starters. You know, just the general, “back in my day” kinda shit. The stuff doesn’t tickle my fancy the way it did back when. I hope the current crop of kids are as excited about dirtbikes as I was when I was young.
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AC271 12/6/2021 6:50am
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Chikfila is not that good
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Sandusky26 12/6/2021 6:52am
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AC271 wrote:
Chikfila is not that good
Bullshit
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MotoCoUSA 12/6/2021 6:54am
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AC271 wrote:
Chikfila is not that good
Is it controversial if it’s a fact?
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walent215 12/6/2021 7:16am
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blockhead17 wrote:
Buckle up for this one..
Some wheelie boys are unbelievably talented
Brad460 wrote:
Want to see folks get worked up…let me add to this..

The police need to stop harassing the wheelie boys.
LOL
My post has more downvotes than yours !
HAHA
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DoctorJD 12/6/2021 7:42am
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JustMX wrote:
I think 4 strokes have hurt motocross by making it too expensive and complex. Further more, they have increased the frequency and severity of serious injuries...
I think 4 strokes have hurt motocross by making it too expensive and complex.

Further more, they have increased the frequency and severity of serious injuries and fatalities by making it much easier for inexperienced riders to go faster than their skills are ready to handle and try to jump obstacles they don't have the real ability to do while not understanding the consequences.
While I agree with you to a degree, I'm seeing the same thing happening now in mtb and it has little to do with engine type. Post-after-post on places like Reddit where new riders are sending huge jumps and drops (and subsequently eating sh*t) and obviously have little to no experience to be doing such things. Here's a reply I posted there a couple of months ago. Guy videoed himself busting his ass on a big jump and asked, "what did I do wrong". Here is my response, and I think it's totally applicable here:

I can't tell much from your video but I'm going to take time to say this:

I am alarmed at how many videos I see here and on other subs of novice riders doing jumps and drops who obviously have no basic mountain bike skills. None. It's like they buy a bike and go straight to the lift. My background is in moto, and I saw this a lot during the 4-stroke revolution. Dudes were going out an buying new 450s in droves. They could barely corner without tipping over, but they were going full-send on 80' triples. I helped pull several of those guys broken, concussed, asses off the track.

Everyone wants instant gratification. FFS, learn the basics of handling the bike before you try to do sh*t that 10-year veterans of the sport are doing.

OP sorry, this isn't directly aimed at you, but this is like the fourth, "I ate sh*t, what did I do wrong?" video that I've seen this morning. If you knew what you were doing, you could self-evaluate.
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WoodsRacer 12/6/2021 7:43am
12/6/2021 7:43am
Radical wrote:
I think leaded fuel should be illegal at the amateur level, and even on practice days. If the pros don't need it, amateurs don't either. My...
I think leaded fuel should be illegal at the amateur level, and even on practice days.
If the pros don't need it, amateurs don't either.
My beef is that I don't want to be breathing lead in the exhaust fumes.
Holy shit. Solid point and yeah can't believe this is still allowed. Seriously people, if you think its ok, look at how toxic tetraethyllead really is and all the risks it carries.
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sende 12/6/2021 7:49am
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Blue colour on Yamaha looks terrible. Especially the blue rims.
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Falcon 12/6/2021 8:28am
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Two strokes truck, four strokes suck.
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Steve125 12/6/2021 8:42am
12/6/2021 8:42am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2021 8:44am
Stop soaking the track and first turn right before my Motos.
(Controversial because its not before your motos.)
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MyBobbym 12/6/2021 8:51am
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deadlo wrote:
I’ll start I think 4 strokes sound better than 2 strokes (especially your average rider on a 2 stroke). I also think the low maintenance argument...
I’ll start

I think 4 strokes sound better than 2 strokes (especially your average rider on a 2 stroke).
I also think the low maintenance argument in favor of a 2 stroke is highly overrated and not very valid these days for an average speed rider.
Shit can the 2 moto 30 min races and switch to 3 20 minute motos plus 2 laps. More different winners and contenders.
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Meister 12/6/2021 8:55am
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California sucks.

Vet classes at Lorettas shouldn't allow ex pros who have qualified for a night show or fast 40. Should be a vet pro class for those who have.

Air suspension sucks.
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LungButter 12/6/2021 8:59am
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Black wheels aren’t cool….
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deadlo wrote:
I’ll start I think 4 strokes sound better than 2 strokes (especially your average rider on a 2 stroke). I also think the low maintenance argument...
I’ll start

I think 4 strokes sound better than 2 strokes (especially your average rider on a 2 stroke).
I also think the low maintenance argument in favor of a 2 stroke is highly overrated and not very valid these days for an average speed rider.
MyBobbym wrote:
Shit can the 2 moto 30 min races and switch to 3 20 minute motos plus 2 laps. More different winners and contenders.
They tried that in the GPs .
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DerickYZ 12/6/2021 9:04am
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Terry Varner’s turnaround time on work is super fast…..ha
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chrisg19 12/6/2021 9:06am
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Get rid of the double displacement rule for 4 strokes. Class is 250cc / 450cc regardless of 2 or 4 stroke, and don’t limit what mods are allowed to give one or the other an advantage. If a manufacturer says they are pulling out (Honda), then so be it. Plenty of other manufacturers to pick up the slack.
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TeamGreen 12/6/2021 9:21am
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Cayden Thompson wrote:
Bikes are too damn expensive these days...
NSP139 wrote:
Totally crazy I just got a quote for 9,500 out the door for a KTM 150 2 stroke!
Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
I know where a brand new one is, if you’re truly interested ? Has the AirStryker carb, V-force and PC silencer. Never ridden, in So California...
I know where a brand new one is, if you’re truly interested ?
Has the AirStryker carb, V-force and PC silencer. Never ridden, in So California $9000
Framed and race-prepped by factory mechanic.

If interested, email me
Langhammx@SbcGlobal dot net
I'm still trying to figure out how The Langer hasn't ALREADY BOUGHT THIS?!
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heathkiller 12/6/2021 9:25am
12/6/2021 9:25am
I don’t think Loretta Lynn’s amateur national should have any “C” classes.
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LungButter 12/6/2021 9:38am
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USA won't win another Des Nations until somebody has the balls to tell Decoster to take a hike.....
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I believe America's riders are less competitive with international riders because they don't spend enough time on two strokes. I agree that four strokes are faster in most situations but also easier to ride. Two strokes hone your skills whether you like it or not. There needs to be a 125 level you have to graduate out of.
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GrapeApe 12/6/2021 9:56am
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People spend way too much time worrying about what happens in the C class. Who cares?
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TeamGreen 12/6/2021 10:04am
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GrapeApe wrote:
People spend way too much time worrying about what happens in the C class. Who cares?
Ya know? You’re right. Ya Big Ape!
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