What is a controversial Moto-related opinion you have?

brocster
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12/5/2021 10:35am
brimx153 wrote:
Sick of hearing this get rid of 450 s CRAP ., the past 3 season s in the US and mxgp have been some of the...
Sick of hearing this get rid of 450 s CRAP ., the past 3 season s in the US and mxgp have been some of the best motocross and supercross racing ever . Yet every 5 mins on vital someone is saying get rid of 450s . How the hell can u look at SX , AMA Outdoors and especially MXGP this year and say " aw 450 racing is crap the bike s just doesn't provide good racing " .
Never once did I mention the racing being CRAP because of 450’s. I mention get rid of 450’s b/c it’s too much motorcycle that creates a systemic issue. It trickles down to the local scene and you end up with 115 lb kids on 450’s whiskey throttling their way around the track endangering themselves and everyone else around, but hey, they can do all the jumps. Spend a couple weeks out here in SoCal and you’ll see what I mean

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Timo
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12/5/2021 10:43am
I've owned 125's, 250's, 250f's and 450f's, the 450 is the best all round bike for light moto and off-road.

2 strokes require more maintenance than 4 strokes.

Changing oil every 4 hours is dumb.

Carbs were fine until modern fuel, now fuel injection is the only way forward.
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Forty
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12/5/2021 10:54am
jeffro503 wrote:
I want a true 125 class brought back to the Nationals. The GP's do a two day format and make room. Or squeeze the class in...
I want a true 125 class brought back to the Nationals. The GP's do a two day format and make room. Or squeeze the class in on Saturday's with 2 x 20min motos. Manufactures support the 125 class a bunch in the GP's........they would support us here too , but we first have to make the class.
Over there it’s for love if sport and tradition . Over here it’s for love of money and money.

Two different reason for doing and you have different formats.

My opinion.
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brimx153
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12/5/2021 10:59am
brimx153 wrote:
Sick of hearing this get rid of 450 s CRAP ., the past 3 season s in the US and mxgp have been some of the...
Sick of hearing this get rid of 450 s CRAP ., the past 3 season s in the US and mxgp have been some of the best motocross and supercross racing ever . Yet every 5 mins on vital someone is saying get rid of 450s . How the hell can u look at SX , AMA Outdoors and especially MXGP this year and say " aw 450 racing is crap the bike s just doesn't provide good racing " .
brocster wrote:
Never once did I mention the racing being CRAP because of 450’s. I mention get rid of 450’s b/c it’s too much motorcycle that creates a...
Never once did I mention the racing being CRAP because of 450’s. I mention get rid of 450’s b/c it’s too much motorcycle that creates a systemic issue. It trickles down to the local scene and you end up with 115 lb kids on 450’s whiskey throttling their way around the track endangering themselves and everyone else around, but hey, they can do all the jumps. Spend a couple weeks out here in SoCal and you’ll see what I mean

Wasn't talking about you , yea i can understand that point of view . What i was taking about was , I dont know how many time s ive read this year from others " 450 produce crap racing , we need to get rid of them go back to two stroke s or make them 350 s " nearly every second ( Ask Ping ) is . we should go 350 s . Or go back two stroke, or make the premier class 250 cc and the smaller class 125 cc . The last 3 year s the 450 racing has been way better than the 250 s imo , so do we need to change ??
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12/5/2021 11:12am
Bikes are too damn expensive these days...
Totally crazy I just got a quote for 9,500 out the door for a KTM 150 2 stroke!
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BigBoreFan58
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12/5/2021 11:23am
Watching a solo rider on a SX track is as boring as watching paint dry.

The whip/scrub is played out.

Wheelie boys are true athletes.

Gate fees for riders at local tracks is rape. especially at an off-road event.

GuyB didn't need to click me. He was wrong.





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murph783
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12/5/2021 11:31am
gt80rider wrote:
Hydro clutches suck... No feel.... more complicated.... there are no upsides to a hydro clutch.... yet everyone thinks they want one because ktm pushed them on...
Hydro clutches suck...

No feel.... more complicated.... there are no upsides to a hydro clutch.... yet everyone thinks they want one because ktm pushed them on the market.....
Logically, you’re wrong.

Seat of my pants, or gloves though? You’re right fuck that give me a cable every time.
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12/5/2021 11:36am
PRO RACING ISNT ABOUT WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS! It’s about selling bikes/gear/parts. A rider doesn’t need to contest a championship to be ‘financially viable’ For instance, lift ET3...
PRO RACING ISNT ABOUT WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS!

It’s about selling bikes/gear/parts.

A rider doesn’t need to contest a championship to be ‘financially viable’

For instance, lift ET3 straight off the line of AMA SX, ship him to MXGP and the eyes of the world will be on him, his bike/gear/parts.
One race, then ship him to Oz, or GB, then back to AMA SX… then back to a random MXGP.. you get the picture..

Give him his money required, get more exposure than him running away with the SX championship.
deadlo wrote:
Your example is of a guy who won multiple championships though lol
Speechless… but I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that I have to explain..

Yes, you’re right- he has won multiple championships… making him arguably one of the biggest stars of two-wheel sport…

Do his sponsors need him to win more championships in order to get great exposure of their product?? Not necessarily…

You could enter him in the Paris-Dakar and the world will be watching..
You could enter him in an MXGP and the world will be watching..
You could enter him in straight rhythm and the world will be watching..
You could stick him on a two stroke for a race weekend and the fans will go nuts!!

Get the picture??
Winning championships is not the only way to get great exposure.
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Teej317
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12/5/2021 11:54am
The crop of riders today are soft. “My setup was off” “I got tight out there” Get on the bike and bring it every weekend.
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12/5/2021 11:58am
Bikes are too damn expensive these days...
NSP139 wrote:
Totally crazy I just got a quote for 9,500 out the door for a KTM 150 2 stroke!
Sheeshhhh. Part of the problem is you're in CA lol.
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Pirate421
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12/5/2021 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2021 1:44pm
These are personal ones for me at our local tracks:
1. overwatering the track every practice day. Water is fine but mud and peg deep ruts aren’t fun to me
2. Also catering to the handful of A riders when you have a track full of vets and C class riders paying to keep the place open. Make the track fun to ride and knock down some of these 80’ booters. If there is a jump that less than 10% of the riders can make it should probably be changed.
3. Too many classes even for practices 80’s and 65’s don’t need their own practice when there are 10 of them there. Same goes for the 50’s. A practice day should have three practices A/B, C/Vet, and youth bikes. Some tracks today have 5+ groups and you may get to go out once every hour to hour and a half. Make it safe but let us ride
4. This is just because I’m older now and don’t ride as much. I appreciate the seat time but 2+hr XC races are too long
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wreckitrandy
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12/5/2021 12:11pm
Lorretta Lynn’s has ruined amateur racing
Contingencies have had a hand in it as well.
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kage173
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12/5/2021 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2021 6:29am
Herlings is good not great, moto community should leave the Wheelie Boyz alone, electric bikes will be the 2nd golden age of moto, supercross is more prestigious than motocross, women's moto is important, track owners deserve more respect and few make any money, the Coombs family is a national treasure, 500 Cc two strokes are of the devil, the AMA does a lot of things really well, 450 supercross should be the only race on Saturday and aired by itself, it's a good thing our sport is not mainstream or big, $70k toyhaulers at local races are dumb...
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ML512
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12/5/2021 12:36pm
Southern California tracks need to do split practices for once…
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Spudnut
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12/5/2021 12:40pm
Weekend warriors trying to sound all professional in their IG posts and taking a hobby too seriously
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crowe660
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12/5/2021 12:52pm
Wheelies are corny as hell.
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crowe660
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12/5/2021 12:57pm
I legit miss JS259, and we’ll never see anything like him again.
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Spergen
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12/5/2021 1:07pm
Any purse paid in a pro race should should only go to those not on a paid contract. Does a pro on a factory team really need that couple of grand? Let's give it to the privateer struggling from round to round.

Your telling me RC, RV, RD etc would be left wanting at the end of their careers instead of the multi millioares they are?
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12/5/2021 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 12/5/2021 1:09pm
That Dylan Fernandis won’t live up to the hype in 2022.

That Chad Reed is not on the level of RC or Stewart.

That our outdoor tracks are a huge contributing factor as to why the GP racers are so much faster outdoors.

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12/5/2021 1:10pm
Mikkola was better than DeCoster

Racing doesn't need sanctioning bodies.

Pastrana was faster than Stew and RC (only one the total package).
Faster than Stewart or RC? I gotta disagree there.
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Spergen
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12/5/2021 1:12pm
Pirate421 wrote:
These are personal ones for me at our local tracks: 1. overwatering the track every practice day. Water is fine but mud and peg deep ruts...
These are personal ones for me at our local tracks:
1. overwatering the track every practice day. Water is fine but mud and peg deep ruts aren’t fun to me
2. Also catering to the handful of A riders when you have a track full of vets and C class riders paying to keep the place open. Make the track fun to ride and knock down some of these 80’ booters. If there is a jump that less than 10% of the riders can make it should probably be changed.
3. Too many classes even for practices 80’s and 65’s don’t need their own practice when there are 10 of them there. Same goes for the 50’s. A practice day should have three practices A/B, C/Vet, and youth bikes. Some tracks today have 5+ groups and you may get to go out once every hour to hour and a half. Make it safe but let us ride
4. This is just because I’m older now and don’t ride as much. I appreciate the seat time but 2+hr XC races are too long
Ha, in the UK we have 3 classes out for 20mins at a time, kids, novice & expert and that's your lot. Works pretty good if you ask me
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12/5/2021 1:16pm
I still think it's better to wear a neck brace.
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12/5/2021 1:17pm
Stefan Everts was a better MXer than Ricky Carmichael.
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LungButter
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12/5/2021 1:25pm
Roger DeCoster is overrated.
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12/5/2021 1:32pm
I have the infamous table cloth. Woohoo
toroP
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12/5/2021 1:39pm
Classes based on speed not experience. Pre-season qualifying races. Promotion and relegation.
decano51
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12/5/2021 1:44pm
- There shouldn't be a east vs west. 250 lites class should be combined.

- Loretta Lynns championship means nothing.

- American Amateur program is terrible

- Supercross title means more than an MX title.
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yz133rider
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12/5/2021 1:50pm
toroP wrote:
Classes based on speed not experience. Pre-season qualifying races. Promotion and relegation.
Bingo!

No more self identifying as a c class as you’re scrubbing big gulp.
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mvd61
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12/5/2021 1:52pm
Stiff boots are the reason knee injuries, particularly ACL injuries, have been so common in the modern era. The same thing happened to skiing when the...
Stiff boots are the reason knee injuries, particularly ACL injuries, have been so common in the modern era. The same thing happened to skiing when the leather Nordic style ski boots were replaced by the rigid shell modern alpine boots. Knee injuries were uncommon, but are now a cost of doing business for any long time skier.

The recent knee brace debate made it clear that knee safety and protection is a salient topic for riders in the lowly vet C ranks all the way to the elite levels of the sport, and no one has a clear understanding of the benefits or negatives of prophylactic knee bracing. All the while, riders are binding the entire structure of the foot and ankle into a makeshift walking cast (I’m looking squarely at you, tech 10). Furthermore, most ACL injuries do not involve any direct impact to the knee itself but rather the lower leg striking an object or getting stuck in an unnatural position in the ground. Knee injuries start at the foot, and binding the foot has shown to translate more energy to the knee in studies of other sports (I believe University of Vermont keeps a specific database on knee injuries in skiing and the causal relationship is clear), but here we are continuing to stiffen, overbuild and overweigh our boots while scratching our heads about why our knees are failing us.

Possibly but it’s mostly due to folks lack of mobility and lack of strength at end range of motion. The majority has been taught that the knee never goes ahead of the toe and there’s no need to go below parallel. More weight training and less cycling.

Bosu ball belongs in the trash with the indo board.
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