Superpole is Awesome! Should It Be A Regular Thing in US SX?

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Thoroughly enjoyed watching the Superpole on the Paris livestream. One rider at a time on the track going flat out for one lap during the main program.

When Carioli had the fastest time for a while, I think it had some of the Americans scratching their heads and provided a lot of excitement... which SX specialist would top the MX legend?

Not only that, it provides a great platform to allow each rider's riding style, line selection, personality and, of course, sponsors to be showcased for a solid minute with all eyes in the stands, or in front of their TVs, on them.

I don't know if we need it at every single round, but I think 1-5 Superpoles during the season could add a very entertaining element to the series.

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I like the fast lap idea, but how do you make it apply to the results? Fastest gets a better gate pick? One position in the main? One extra championship point? Only bragging rights?
To some extent, we already do this with timed qualifying, so what's the point?

I like it, but I'm not sure how it fits in.
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absolutely not, I have zero desire to watch someone race a clock
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Yes but make them do it on two strokes
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So we’d be adding another hour to 2 hours onto a program that’s already 3+ hours? Most casual fans already have a hard time watching all the qualifiers and stuff. They’d lose even more ratings adding on.
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Falcon wrote:
I like the fast lap idea, but how do you make it apply to the results? Fastest gets a better gate pick? One position in the...
I like the fast lap idea, but how do you make it apply to the results? Fastest gets a better gate pick? One position in the main? One extra championship point? Only bragging rights?
To some extent, we already do this with timed qualifying, so what's the point?

I like it, but I'm not sure how it fits in.
Agreed on all accounts. But the current fast lap qualifying system occurs prior to the main show, and to the casual fan it is very difficult to tell who is going for their fast lap and when.

I think the same qualifying system could remain, but yeah, perhaps an extra point is awarded? Maybe, say for the top 10 in points, they do it in place of having to race the heats. So for say three rounds, they are basically guaranteed a spot in the main event, but the Superpole determines their gate pick...
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I think its rad. Watching riders throw down hot laps is awesome.
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Big fan of it, in other sports the top rider or riders will earn some extra points to give them a reason to push.
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Big fan of it. Would love to see it trialed in a few SX stops.
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How about in place of timed qualifying?
Timed qualifying with everyone on the track is already a crapshoot, as slower riders sometimes get in the way of a good lap.
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I would be for something like fastest qualifier or heat winners getting a champ point or two but I know traditionalist would push back and I get that point of view.
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11/30/2021 11:12am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2021 11:15am
How about they utilize the superpole format at the triple crown rounds. They do not show any qualifiers anyway.

Have the superpole after the mid day qualifiers for the 450's. Only the top ten 450 riders get a shot at the superpole, the top ten will be set by the standard qualifying sessions.The rider who wins the superpole gets first gate pick and a bonus championship point. The rest of the top ten gate picks will be a luck of the draw.

The broadcast can show the superpole laps, and it will be under 15 minutes if showtime...they put 45 minutes of fluff in each round anyway.
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mxrose3 wrote:
How about in place of timed qualifying? Timed qualifying with everyone on the track is already a crapshoot, as slower riders sometimes get in the way...
How about in place of timed qualifying?
Timed qualifying with everyone on the track is already a crapshoot, as slower riders sometimes get in the way of a good lap.
This is not the worst idea I've ever heard. If we're looking for fastest lap time anyway, it is a more reliable method for gauging that.
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11/30/2021 11:23am Edited Date/Time 11/30/2021 11:23am
It was a thing during AUS sx combined with a triple crown, no? I think that was pretty cool.
I don't really think it fits into the usual schedule though.
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Superpole is fun. It's not drastically different from the current timed qualifying program, but it has everyone on their toes watching the rider on the track. The times are known and the intensity couldn't be higher... Maybe just run a top 5 Superpole at a few of the events to try it out?
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Joker lane is better imo for actual racing
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They’ve been doing something similar in Endurocross for a while now, it’s extremely exciting and sometimes you get to see riders try things and take lines that just wouldn’t work in a race scenario. My suggestion would be this:

- Top 10 450 riders that transferred from the heats get to participate

- 1-3 championship points are on the line, something in that range

- Run it right after the LCQs, before the 250 main. Ideally the track will be in good condition after being prepped, and nobody will be getting an advantage since the track will change during the 250 main anyways.
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they do the super pole at Aus X open every year and its honestly so good to watch live and as a show.
w whole stadium packed with all eyes on 1 rider throw down there fastest lap is an epic idea.
Maybe for the championship and live tv program it would be a little too much time consuming.
But to watch it live is awesome.

Jason Anderson in 2019 when he raced here for the Aus SX open, him in super pole was truly one of the most epic laps i've seen. the sprint lap of him hanging off the back and throwing it down everywhere was so cool to see
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11/30/2021 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 11/30/2021 1:00pm
Run it as a part of rider intros at the beginning of the night show before the TV program starts. Top 5 or 10 from 450 day qualifying. Rider comes out for a sighting lap with his intro music then gets a gate drop for his hot lap. Make it for a championship point or 2. Introducing the 450 stars rolling the jumps then sending them back to the truck while the 250 heats are run is dumber than hell.
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I'm in favor of absolutely anything that changes up the stale Supercross night show format.......
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I’m all in, was great to watch at Paris SX. And safer more fair than usual.
Top 10 decides the gate pick plus 3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd 1 for 3rd
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early wrote:
Run it as a part of rider intros at the beginning of the night show before the TV program starts. Top 5 or 10 from 450...
Run it as a part of rider intros at the beginning of the night show before the TV program starts. Top 5 or 10 from 450 day qualifying. Rider comes out for a sighting lap with his intro music then gets a gate drop for his hot lap. Make it for a championship point or 2. Introducing the 450 stars rolling the jumps then sending them back to the truck while the 250 heats are run is dumber than hell.
This!
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absolutely not, I have zero desire to watch someone race a clock
As opposed to every other qualifying formant since ever?
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early wrote:
Run it as a part of rider intros at the beginning of the night show before the TV program starts. Top 5 or 10 from 450...
Run it as a part of rider intros at the beginning of the night show before the TV program starts. Top 5 or 10 from 450 day qualifying. Rider comes out for a sighting lap with his intro music then gets a gate drop for his hot lap. Make it for a championship point or 2. Introducing the 450 stars rolling the jumps then sending them back to the truck while the 250 heats are run is dumber than hell.
bayodome wrote:
This!
Beginning of the show should be exciting not anticlimactic.
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honestly the existing SX format is boring.

id like something like knockout qualifying racing where each back rider is instead sent home and top runners have to keep racing to stay in.

doing a head to head race or super poles would be fun but with two classes i dont know if a night show would have the time unless they run in it the day and just air the top runs before racing starts as part of the program

A superpole thing would be cool if the gate was off set like they do the red flag restarts. i like watching watching the red flag restarts as its generally safe and the slowest guys dont get in the way
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I don't understand why you guys are saying there is no time for a super pole during the night show? The top ten 450 riders already get to come out in the dark to do the openers for around a 1 minute or so each. So instead of the opener for the top ten riders, the top ten from qualifying gets to do super pole which is the final chance to get a gate pick. The lap times are only around 40-50 seconds anyways so if they let the next rider start their site lap at the end of the previous riders hot lap so they over lap it would only be around 8-10 minutes total.. The track wouldn't be degraded bad enough to require equipment before the 250 heats.

The TV crew could even go the extra small baby steps and save the super pole footage for the long boring periods between the races. Maybe between the 250 and 450 heats?

At the end of the day would it be extra entertainment for the fans and it would still provide individual rider/sponsorship time. It would just be something different. More racing, less talking and other boring people/side shows/useless features.
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nope
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snillum wrote:
I don't understand why you guys are saying there is no time for a super pole during the night show? The top ten 450 riders already...
I don't understand why you guys are saying there is no time for a super pole during the night show? The top ten 450 riders already get to come out in the dark to do the openers for around a 1 minute or so each. So instead of the opener for the top ten riders, the top ten from qualifying gets to do super pole which is the final chance to get a gate pick. The lap times are only around 40-50 seconds anyways so if they let the next rider start their site lap at the end of the previous riders hot lap so they over lap it would only be around 8-10 minutes total.. The track wouldn't be degraded bad enough to require equipment before the 250 heats.

The TV crew could even go the extra small baby steps and save the super pole footage for the long boring periods between the races. Maybe between the 250 and 450 heats?

At the end of the day would it be extra entertainment for the fans and it would still provide individual rider/sponsorship time. It would just be something different. More racing, less talking and other boring people/side shows/useless features.
This is a great idea!

No need to show it up front and try to fit it in when there is already plenty of down time they need to fill...
Shouldn't be that hard to figure out in 2022...

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Hell yeah, I love it! The cool thing about it is you truly get to focus on a riders technique, line choice, and style all while having no other riders in their way. I say 1 championship point for the Superpole winner.
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Bring it on, I think it’s cool. Guys always complain about getting clean laps in. Make it a thing at the triple crown races.
12/2/2021 2:01am
This needs to happen 100%!

If not the top 10 then at least the top 5 from quali to get a chance of pole. It wouldn't work to have it replace timed quali entirely as it's easy to slip off on such an intense 1 lap, so not fair to pin it all down to that.

I was in Paris on saturday and the tension and atmosphere for the entire Superpole was incredible.
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