BEST ROUTE TO TAKE FOR SON

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I need some advice for my 13Yo son that has been racing for a year. My son really loves MX he talks with a lot of the really fast kids and it seams most are home schooled and spend a great deal of time at training facilities or ride a lot. We don't have unlimited resources or time so what is the best way to go about getting better and faster while not spending months at compounds or a fortune. Were not looking to go to Lorettas just trying to get some solid advice. Its just hard to compete at a lot of these 85cc races. Thank You
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Tell him the throttle is on the right....just twist 'er a tad further.....


*Ok, kidding aside. Most areas/tracks seem to have local Pros that will do riding schools or lessons for a reasonable cost. I'd look into that route if you want him to get some legit help.
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The more gate drops he can get, the better.

Racing > Burning laps at a facility
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10/26/2021 4:22pm
Seat time in practice and race settings. The fast kids didn’t become fast overnight. Most of those kids have many years of experience over your son and until he gets a few of his own he will be slower than them. Most of the kids winning the 85cc class have been racing since they were on PW’s. Don’t let him get discouraged, tell him he will be up front soon enough if he keeps putting in the time and work.
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Find someone fast he can ride with.
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Let him have fun
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I have two sons right around that age. I think kids (and adults) need three key pieces to gain speed:

1. Quality training - you don't need to live at a training facility, but taking weekend classes or finding a local pro that will help your son on open practice days with advice, drills etc.

2. Seat time with a purpose - you son will need seat time to get faster, but it's much better if it has some sort of purpose. Work on specific corners, body position, etc, with some motos thrown in to keep it fun. Just burning laps trying to go faster isn't that helpful. A great trainer told me "we are striving for control and feel, when we have control and feel you will automatically go faster. If we just try to push past our comfort level chasing speed, we will plateau or crash." I'm always amazed that stick and ball sports spend 80% of time working on drills, specific components and 20% playing. At moto, everyone wants to spend 100% of time trying to ride fast and 0% on drills, components. Very strange dynamic.

3. Fitness - riding dirt bikes at a fast pace on a rough track is incredibly physically demanding. No one can spend all week on the couch or playing video games and go race effectively on the weekend. Some sort of function movement training (Crossfit, Orange, etc) is almost a must. IMHO, going and doing bench presses at the local gym is better than nothing, but only just.
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This post is timely. I was just thinking about this last night. It amazes me the amount of kids with trainers, homeschool, practice facilities, etc. My son is around the age of the OP son and while he’s competitive in the 85 class some of these are crazy fast. Of course there’s always been fast kids but the level the kids and parents take it to is not easy to compete with. We do this for fun not to make a career out of it at twelve. Sometimes I wonder if the kids at that level are already at the point they don’t even enjoy it anymore. To each their own I guess. As Mav said above, keep racing and most importantly make sure he’s having fun!
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Kelly smith didnt go to lorettas until he was 14. he got 3rd in 85 stock 14-15. I think he started racing at 12. could be wrong.
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Have you tried screaming at him? A lot of mini dads in my area do it, seems to work.

In all seriousness though, seat time with a purpose and fundamentals. Just simple stuff like looking where you wanna go, toes in, attack position, etc. you can help him get good technique and the speed should come.

Also when I started riding 2-3 times a week my riding took a big step forward.
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cable wrote:
Kelly smith didnt go to lorettas until he was 14. he got 3rd in 85 stock 14-15. I think he started racing at 12. could be...
Kelly smith didnt go to lorettas until he was 14. he got 3rd in 85 stock 14-15. I think he started racing at 12. could be wrong.
That is extremely rare if true.
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Welcome to 99.9 % of us
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crowe660 wrote:
Find someone fast he can ride with.
This just someone close to the same speed that he can push and they push back. I watched my 85 rider have a death battle with a 60 year old guy on a 125 at practice the other day. It was the best he had rode for a while.
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Just ride and have fun. At this point he's probably not going pro on a factory ride, So just get a ton of seat time and enjoy it
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crowe660 wrote:
Find someone fast he can ride with.
crusher773 wrote:
This just someone close to the same speed that he can push and they push back. I watched my 85 rider have a death battle with...
This just someone close to the same speed that he can push and they push back. I watched my 85 rider have a death battle with a 60 year old guy on a 125 at practice the other day. It was the best he had rode for a while.
Haha that's great. Great for your lad and great for the older guy!!! That what moto is all about!!!
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Just have fun and don’t get too serious. Make some friends and enjoy it. Focus more and getting him into school so he can eventually get into a good university
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10/27/2021 12:28am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2021 12:30am
1 ride more than once a week. Cant replace seat time even if its in the backyard

2 practice with a plan. work on technique, spring speed, long moto's, no brake, only standing only sitting. lots of little things to expand your knowledge of what you can do with the body and the bike.

3. practice starts a lot. most amatuers dont spend time starting. alessi dominated amatuer 5 lap races cuz he was always first out the gate

4 get a group on kids for him to ride with. nothing will build speed like having someone to chase

5. dont just practice. Pro's in the 90's in local Norcal would hit a friday night race, saturday morning race then a sunday race (they were nuts traveling as much as they did) the race craft of the racers from the 90's early 00's i would argue is better than today.

6 dont just ride motocross. try out offroad events, hit trails in the woods or the desert or try out endurocross type stuff. things that expand his technical skills. being familiar with different terrain will expand his skill base

Most importantly. Have fun, if he isnt interested in taking it to the pro level and you try to force it, itll only start fights and resentment. for him to go anywhere with it, he has to have the hunger to go there
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I need some advice for my 13Yo son that has been racing for a year. My son really loves MX he talks with a lot of...
I need some advice for my 13Yo son that has been racing for a year. My son really loves MX he talks with a lot of the really fast kids and it seams most are home schooled and spend a great deal of time at training facilities or ride a lot. We don't have unlimited resources or time so what is the best way to go about getting better and faster while not spending months at compounds or a fortune. Were not looking to go to Lorettas just trying to get some solid advice. Its just hard to compete at a lot of these 85cc races. Thank You
Let him have fun and put no pressure on him!

Let him be a kid!
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Unless you really think he has some super talent or crazy attributes that could lead to him getting a paid ride in the future don’t stress trying to match the speed of these other kids.
Have fun in the knowledge that you and your boy are having fun together, having a good relationship with no requirements on results because you haven’t plowed your life savings into a hobby.
If he wants to be a better rider for sure get some training days in with local pros and have more focused practised sessions on the bike, improving is fun, just try not to take the fun out of riding by comparing to the homeschooled next big no thing.
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crowe660 wrote:
Find someone fast he can ride with.
crusher773 wrote:
This just someone close to the same speed that he can push and they push back. I watched my 85 rider have a death battle with...
This just someone close to the same speed that he can push and they push back. I watched my 85 rider have a death battle with a 60 year old guy on a 125 at practice the other day. It was the best he had rode for a while.
I made my biggest speed/skill gains just riding with guys at a higher level. Having someone to chase and pull you around the track/trail is huge.
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Since you said your son has only been racing for a year and is 13, the best case scenario for your son is that he gets some national points and makes some supercross mains. He will never make enough money to retire after racing. This means that, at best, he will break even or turn a bit of a profit each year racing, and have to get a job after. Do you want your son to have an education to fall back on when this happens?

I assume the answer is yes. So focus first on education, and then spend your spare time with a reputable riding coach so that he has good technique and rides safely. Focus on fun and safety, not speed. Speed comes with comfort and having a good time on the bike.
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1 ride more than once a week. Cant replace seat time even if its in the backyard 2 practice with a plan. work on technique, spring...
1 ride more than once a week. Cant replace seat time even if its in the backyard

2 practice with a plan. work on technique, spring speed, long moto's, no brake, only standing only sitting. lots of little things to expand your knowledge of what you can do with the body and the bike.

3. practice starts a lot. most amatuers dont spend time starting. alessi dominated amatuer 5 lap races cuz he was always first out the gate

4 get a group on kids for him to ride with. nothing will build speed like having someone to chase

5. dont just practice. Pro's in the 90's in local Norcal would hit a friday night race, saturday morning race then a sunday race (they were nuts traveling as much as they did) the race craft of the racers from the 90's early 00's i would argue is better than today.

6 dont just ride motocross. try out offroad events, hit trails in the woods or the desert or try out endurocross type stuff. things that expand his technical skills. being familiar with different terrain will expand his skill base

Most importantly. Have fun, if he isnt interested in taking it to the pro level and you try to force it, itll only start fights and resentment. for him to go anywhere with it, he has to have the hunger to go there
Probably the best answer I’ve seen in here
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10/27/2021 5:55am
AgileMike wrote:
I have two sons right around that age. I think kids (and adults) need three key pieces to gain speed: 1. Quality training - you don't...
I have two sons right around that age. I think kids (and adults) need three key pieces to gain speed:

1. Quality training - you don't need to live at a training facility, but taking weekend classes or finding a local pro that will help your son on open practice days with advice, drills etc.

2. Seat time with a purpose - you son will need seat time to get faster, but it's much better if it has some sort of purpose. Work on specific corners, body position, etc, with some motos thrown in to keep it fun. Just burning laps trying to go faster isn't that helpful. A great trainer told me "we are striving for control and feel, when we have control and feel you will automatically go faster. If we just try to push past our comfort level chasing speed, we will plateau or crash." I'm always amazed that stick and ball sports spend 80% of time working on drills, specific components and 20% playing. At moto, everyone wants to spend 100% of time trying to ride fast and 0% on drills, components. Very strange dynamic.

3. Fitness - riding dirt bikes at a fast pace on a rough track is incredibly physically demanding. No one can spend all week on the couch or playing video games and go race effectively on the weekend. Some sort of function movement training (Crossfit, Orange, etc) is almost a must. IMHO, going and doing bench presses at the local gym is better than nothing, but only just.
Number 2 for sure, I use to call it practice with purpose. I use to pick a section of track, and/or turn and ride it over and over, working on technique, braking and cornering, then I’d pound out my motos.

With today’s technology, you can film him during that time and perfect his technique, and he will naturally get comfortable and faster. You can learn plenty watching certain trainers on YouTube, and can coach him off some of those.

The stronger he is, the more confident he will be. If he is willing, put him on an exercise regimen, simple core, push-ups and pull ups work wonders at his age and is a great way to slide into training.

You can’t force speed without injury, teach him proper technique, get him playable and strong, and the speed will naturally come.

One thing everyone will stress, seat and gate time, race as many races as you can, and he will learn how to race instead of learning how to follow.
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I just made it to Loretta's this year(2021) in 450 B and Collegeboy. I went to public school graduated high school this year as well. Graduated on Friday next weekend I punch my ticket for Loretta's at Unadilla. I am currently a full-time college student. My best advice is to stay in school and get seat time and learn to ride the right way. Motocross is supposed to be fun and only less than 100% will end up being able to retire. Also, it feels a lot better when you beat riders who have been living at a training facility for years and you ride maybe two days a week.
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I have 2 boys, 13 and 15 years old. We all race and the kids have been racing since 5 years old.

Ive preached since day 1; this is for fun, this is a hobby, and unless your going to Lorettas on a 50 or 65 thats all it will ever be, a hobby. Sure, there have been exceptions to the rule but very few. Its been said multiple times already, but find a local fast guy that does some classes to improve but, in my opinion, forget the training facilities and traveling all over the country racing. Ride/race when you can, hit the open track days for practice, and have fun. Seat time = speed, at the end of a day if you can go home with a smile on your face and in one piece it was a good day.
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10/27/2021 6:43am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2021 6:49am
If you can't get your kid to a training facility (understandable) try to control the factors that are within reach. Fitness, nutrition, and riding. You don't have to be at a training facility to improve the first 2. I would start a total body fitness routine with him consisting of a daily high intensity interval training workout (like p90x) and running or cycling and stretching/yoga. I would stay away from bench press and curls and focus on total body strength. Improve his nutrition at the same time, more water, meat, and vegetables, less sugar/processed carbs. Get him into the mindset of training for a purpose, to be an athlete. Do this as a family and it can be good for your health fitness and bonding too. As far as riding, what everyone else said, more seat time with a purpose, even if it's 1 more day a week on a turn track and skills drills could be a big help.
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Tell him to watch some youtube videos on technique. Most importantly body positioning. Then when you are at the track remind him to try to emulate what he sees while out there. Also agree w/ the above, gate drops help more than anything. Idk where exactly you are located but try to find races with more than just a few kids too.
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10/27/2021 7:05am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2021 7:07am
Gate drops, ride with faster kids and tell him to never let anyone tell him he’s too old to have a chance at doing anything.

Also you can pick up some pretty good info off YouTube videos. And when at a local race watch the faster kids/pro classes. Pick up on lines and options they use.
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1 DON’T EVER PUSH HIM.
2. He must always be having fun riding first and for most.
`3. Ride for the crash. Dress properly.
`4. Bike maintenance is a must.

Paw Paw


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I need some advice for my 13Yo son that has been racing for a year. My son really loves MX he talks with a lot of...
I need some advice for my 13Yo son that has been racing for a year. My son really loves MX he talks with a lot of the really fast kids and it seams most are home schooled and spend a great deal of time at training facilities or ride a lot. We don't have unlimited resources or time so what is the best way to go about getting better and faster while not spending months at compounds or a fortune. Were not looking to go to Lorettas just trying to get some solid advice. Its just hard to compete at a lot of these 85cc races. Thank You
Get him to a riding coach, Shannon Niday, Gary Bailey whoever you see and like best, spend your money there if your looking for results, race as much as you can afford. Go to best races you can afford,

if hes a proven top 5 at those
then do whatever you can to help after that.

Coaches know, do what they say as long as they are not just milking your money.

Do not get sucked into local racing and full blown mod bikes they will not win a race.

Good luck
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Go out and buy a pit board.
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