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-MAVERICK- 9/5/2021 10:33pm
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crusty_xx wrote:
If there wasn't this one guy in both series (CW and DF) that was simply better than the rest youd all be talking about how unbeatable...
If there wasn't this one guy in both series (CW and DF) that was simply better than the rest youd all be talking about how unbeatable the 94 is
Remove Ferrandis and we would have an exciting final round for the 450 championship considering there's now only 9 points separating Roczen and Tomac.
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hubbardmx50 9/5/2021 10:53pm
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I was thinking about this during the race. Things seem so bad for Kenny right now yet it’s the best season he’s had by far since his injury.
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I was thinking about this during the race. Things seem so bad for Kenny right now yet it’s the best season he’s had by far since...
I was thinking about this during the race. Things seem so bad for Kenny right now yet it’s the best season he’s had by far since his injury.
He's got a lot to be proud of this season. He's not getting worse by any stretch.
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MX Guy 9/6/2021 12:03am
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You could not pay me to ride 30 mins on that track and in that heat on Saturday. I refuse.
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Cashmore 9/6/2021 3:15am
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Roczen was a contender for both championships... who else was?
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KiwiBermRailer 9/6/2021 3:17am
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Mavetism wrote:
The second best person or team in any kind of sport always gets the most hate for some reason. There is plenty of riders who did...
The second best person or team in any kind of sport always gets the most hate for some reason. There is plenty of riders who did worse but those cunts tell the second best guy to retire, pathetic.
I hope we are able to witness the Ferrandis/Tomac and Roczen battles for some more years because that season was awesome to watch.
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I get people being a little disappointed when you know what he's capable of winning on a good day, but he was struggling and still rode it home and put the effort in.

He could have pulled off and called it, I'm sure some folks half expected him to, but he ground it out and finished both motos to his best ability.
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defeatist45 9/6/2021 4:45am
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Isn't this his first full season in forever?
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Mavetism 9/6/2021 5:24am
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defeatist45 wrote:
Isn't this his first full season in forever?
2019.
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mxpappy711 9/6/2021 5:27am
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I am always slower when it’s 100 degrees. I guess some of you are not?
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Everything an honest observer needs to know about Ken occurs in the first few laps. Only Tomac, on his best "Beast-Mode" days, can match the pace Ken has in the early laps. He makes the fastest riders in the world look like they all simultaneously started missing shifts and finding false neutrals. After that initial sprint, he starts conserving energy due to all the injuries he's had, injuries that still have a debilitating effect on his stamina due to, among other things, the meds he was on. He's not weak, he's not slow, he's not witless, he's not feckless - no - quite the opposite. He's a flippin' medical miracle.
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Blackie59 9/6/2021 6:07am
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It's not a sprint it's a marathon.
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No thread on how he completely de-railed in both motos? Was there any word as to why he was cruising around the track in both motos...
No thread on how he completely de-railed in both motos? Was there any word as to why he was cruising around the track in both motos besides "he was too hot"?

I thought there surely would be a thread on this as it's yet another Roczen mental meltdown if you ask me.
Paul, are you playing head games already…
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No thread on how he completely de-railed in both motos? Was there any word as to why he was cruising around the track in both motos...
No thread on how he completely de-railed in both motos? Was there any word as to why he was cruising around the track in both motos besides "he was too hot"?

I thought there surely would be a thread on this as it's yet another Roczen mental meltdown if you ask me.

Thats correct , no thread bashing Kenny .. except yours.
Reason being that there's massive respect for what 94 has been able to accomplish especially in light of the medical challenges he's endured.
He's still at the front ( in both series ) & possesses otherworldly sprint speed no one on the grid can match.

Mental meltdown ? Clueless doesn't even begin to describe that statement.
Oh, & just to be clear ; no one 'asked you', so feel free to STFU.
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Zycki11 9/6/2021 9:45am
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I kind of look at Kenny like Connor McGregor. Fast twitch muscles with an innate ability to be ridiculously good early on. Later stages the advantage wears off. Kenny used to be great throughout the entire moto. We truly aren't sure about his fitness. It seems great some days, others its completely off. I think he obviously has side effects from all of the trauma his body has gone through. Do I think its awesome that he uses Blake Savage as his trainer who is his wifes brother? Yes. Do I think he is the most knowledgeable? No, but Kenny also has Red Bull at his disposal for tests etc to help with his training, and he knows best about his body.
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scootch 9/6/2021 10:12am
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Everyone is so quick to talk shit about his performances, but the guy should literally be an amputee right now. Not to mention the 13+ surgeries that have taken an irreversible toll on how his body performs. He came back from all of that and his results have gotten better and better each year with the latest being a pair of 2nds in both championships. TWO GUYS, I repeat, TWO guys have put it together better than him this year. What does the guy have to do to get some respect???

He went 2-2 this year and as mentioned his results are trending up since the injuries. Putting more pieces of the puzzle together in each championship that he lines up in. Next year could very well be a championship year and I don’t think it would surprise anyone.
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kpiper 9/6/2021 10:55am
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Why is it 'bad form' to point out certain things about riders and give your opinion? Isn't that what this board is all about?

Or should we all just comment on how great every rider is and leave it at that?

1) Kenny was not ready for the heat. That is just plain truth.

2) Tomac rode around like a goon (based on his standards) for much of the series. He could not even explain it.

3) DF wanted it more and worked harder than ALL the other riders. Yea, sometimes that puts you on top!

4) I don't think anyone here commenting is suggesting they could beat Ken Roczen. But that does not mean they don't have a valid opinion.
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sandtrack315 9/6/2021 11:22am
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It does not seem like it is a lack of training / trying, but Kenny is just not as tough as Dylan, even though Kenny is maybe a bit more talented.
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Considering he was out basically a 1.5 years it’s amazing that he can win and still compete for titles even though I don’t think he will ever win a title again, too many health issues these days. As much as they over play his injury we almost take for granted how gnarly it was. Kenny can still be considered a success story even though he was taken out right when he was really starting to dominate. He has never ridden with the same aggression that he used too and he has still won plenty of races this year. Plus Dylan now only has Motocross. Roczen and Tomac have families which has to hurt in the perspective of putting in it all on the line. Like it’s been said he smoked Dylan indoors and easily beat Webb outdoors but there is no Grand National title so it will all be forgotten.
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Paw Paw 271 9/6/2021 2:09pm
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cmotodad wrote:
Sorry Vitards, anyone that says bad things about any rider that makes the show at a national, has no clue how difficult it is. Whether you...
Sorry Vitards, anyone that says bad things about any rider that makes the show at a national, has no clue how difficult it is. Whether you are in the points chase or not, every one of those guys is a bad ass! Moto at that level, in those conditions, is one of the most diffficult athletic strains of any sport. I think I am safe to say, not everyone has a great day every day at their chosen profession, no matter how much money we get paid. I am an old guy that is happy to have athletes of this calber to watch, no matter their results.
x2, well said.

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resetjet 9/6/2021 2:42pm
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94 supercross title and bye bye…..
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limepandanz 9/6/2021 8:36pm
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resetjet wrote:
94 supercross title and bye bye…..
Don't know why people are thumbs downing you when he literally said himself that if he wins the supercross title he's got nothing left to prove and looks forward to relaxing and enjoying life with his family. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes supercross only for his last season or two in order to have the best chance possible given his health issues.
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PNWRider 9/6/2021 8:45pm
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mxpappy711 wrote:
I am always slower when it’s 100 degrees. I guess some of you are not?
I’m at my fastest.

Granted, it’s because when it gets that hot I’m headed home on the freeway, but still…lol
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MyBobbym 9/6/2021 8:55pm
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I feel bad for the guy. Yet another season where he came unraveled as the season went on. I really don't think he ever wins another...
I feel bad for the guy. Yet another season where he came unraveled as the season went on. I really don't think he ever wins another championship.
Maybe... But at least he fuckin tried, at least he fuckin tried.
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TXDirt 9/6/2021 8:58pm
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He’s one bad dude on a bike. Yeah, only one person can win, but it’s still an incredible feat to get 2nd or 3rd. That’s on the box and is still a great accomplishment. He should hold his head high.
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IanMac138 9/6/2021 10:14pm
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If Ken had never shredded both his arms to the point where they were thinking about amputating them, he would easily have more than his two 450 outdoor titles and at least one if not two or three SX titles under his belt. The amount of shit his body has gone through, yet able to still be in the top 3 for National and SX titles is something that is beyond my ability to comprehend.
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I think at this stage it’s clear Roczen has fatigue issues as a result of his injuries and surgeries, and he’s learning to live with it.
Yet he’s still out there competing at the highest level and on his day no one can touch him e.g. Unadilla 21.
I can never get enough of his first lap sprints, one of the most awesome things in moto to watch ever.
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yz133rider 9/7/2021 8:17am
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One thing nobody’s mentioning about Roczen that could be huge; he made it a full season, healthy, happy, fast, and competitive. One of the first seasons he can use to “build” for the following.

He didn’t have to take half the year off, he didn’t get any gnarly sickness, or injury, or lime poisoning, etc etc.

He’s at a very high level and I think he’ll be able to keep this rolling very easily.

Where as look at how many of his competitors were injured indoors or outdoors or both this past season.


I’m no Roczen apologist, but this is the recipe that Dungey used to rack up titles. He just kept building a strong base and strong program. While others got hurt and lost two steps, and then had to work to get back to their former speed and fitness he just kept building.
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tprice07 9/7/2021 8:21am
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Roczen is a bad dude. He put together two very impressive seasons. It's unfortunate that we have a win or die expectation of him. I'm impressed with him and I have no idea how he can be any better. None of us are qualified to answer that.
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