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smoothies862 8/19/2021 7:11am
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Also he left titles on the table. He would have won at least a few more. He wasn’t getting slower. No contest,best ever.
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I wish we could have seen him and Everts go at it over a whole season in mx. My money would have been on RC but who knows .
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People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
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First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented...
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
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And who was is that punted MC into retirement? Hmmm
And who punted RC into retirement?
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James had him covered with talent and speed, RC had the heart of a lion. He never gave up and refused to loose.
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I will have to gather the exact stats later this evening, but another wild thing that blew my mind: if you take all the times that Reed finished 2nd to RC in supercross and give Reed one in the win column, he beats MCs record. RC held off generational phenoms.
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Remember he always grabbed his mouth guard on his helmet. And everyone trying to figure out why. In his 1st 3 years.
Why did he?
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First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented...
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
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And who was is that punted MC into retirement? Hmmm
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And who punted RC into retirement?
Aldon.

And truthfully, no one retired RC. He won the last two titles he went for and won the last 7 races of his career. Literally went out on top.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
And who was is that punted MC into retirement? Hmmm
jjavaman wrote:
And who punted RC into retirement?
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Aldon. And truthfully, no one retired RC. He won the last two titles he went for and won the last 7 races of his career. Literally...
Aldon.

And truthfully, no one retired RC. He won the last two titles he went for and won the last 7 races of his career. Literally went out on top.
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profeshenal125 wrote:
Remember he always grabbed his mouth guard on his helmet. And everyone trying to figure out why. In his 1st 3 years.
pamoto wrote:
Why did he?
I remember him being a bit uncomfortable when he was grabbing his helmet, like it was some sort of mental kick to get him back in the game.
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Remember he always grabbed his mouth guard on his helmet. And everyone trying to figure out why. In his 1st 3 years.
pamoto wrote:
Why did he?
Putting in a dip.
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I was and am a huge JS7 fan...but NOBODY ever put the absolute beat down on practically everybody, and did it consistantly like Ricky Carmichael. Yes, it was freaking insane. I love it that Ricky admits that it was hard for him...he wasn't filled with natural talent, he just worked his ass completely off each year to beat his competition and refused to lose. He simply refused to lose. I don't care who you are...you got to love THAT attitude. He will forever be the GOAT. Nobody even gets close.
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RC = Best Racer of All Time
JS = Best Rider of All Time
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
I wish we could have seen him and Everts go at it over a whole season in mx. My money would have been on RC but...
I wish we could have seen him and Everts go at it over a whole season in mx. My money would have been on RC but who knows .
I know. RC, all day, all season, all decade. As awesome as Everts is/was, his more fluid style and more calculated approach would not have held up to RC's relentless, "kill 'em all" style. He simply wanted it more.
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His two greatest strengths, IMO

1. He hated losing more than he enjoyed winning. Win happiness is just the moment before you need more happiness. But the hatred of losing is permanent and everlasting. It's the slow burn fuel that actually wins championships for guys like him.

2. He had one thing that has become lost on Generation Instagram: he absolutely wasn't afraid to look bad. He got more boos than anyone in the early 00s. That would have absolutely BROKEN a modern pro, and he waved to the crowd, used it as fuel, and won. Over and over. I'm referencing the time frame between the time he dethroned MC to where he was on Honda running into Pastrana. During that time period when his popularity was at its lowest point, he amassed two SX titles, and two perfect MX seasons on Honda before he went to Suzuki. (Honorable mention to riding around Everts in Zolder on that absolutely hammered sand track on a red two banger)
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The two perfect seasons still blow my mind every time I think about it. Once in a lifetime racer.

I’ve listened to his whiskey throttle show three times and it’s still as good as the first hearing the stories.
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Rc is a great racer.... he should have kept racing... his Nascar deal didn't last long, but he should have kept at it.... would love to see him making a living racing, doing what he is truly good at, instead of what he's doing today.... would love to see him racing the torc series, monster trucks, or whatever... he's kinda getting too old now days for high end car racing now days.. but the dude was born the ultimate racer, don't know why he didn't pursue it more after his Nascar dealio fizzled out.....
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Rc is a great racer.... he should have kept racing... his Nascar deal didn't last long, but he should have kept at it.... would love to...
Rc is a great racer.... he should have kept racing... his Nascar deal didn't last long, but he should have kept at it.... would love to see him making a living racing, doing what he is truly good at, instead of what he's doing today.... would love to see him racing the torc series, monster trucks, or whatever... he's kinda getting too old now days for high end car racing now days.. but the dude was born the ultimate racer, don't know why he didn't pursue it more after his Nascar dealio fizzled out.....
Monster used RC to get their foot in the door in NASCAR or you could say RC got Monster into NASCAR…When Monster shifted their dollars to Kurt Busch RC’s days in NASCAR were numbered…It’s the road he wanted to go he had zero interest in any other form of four wheel racing…And what he is doing today is doing more for the sport than any other former champ
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profeshenal125 wrote:
Remember he always grabbed his mouth guard on his helmet. And everyone trying to figure out why. In his 1st 3 years.
pamoto wrote:
Why did he?
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I remember him being a bit uncomfortable when he was grabbing his helmet, like it was some sort of mental kick to get him back in...
I remember him being a bit uncomfortable when he was grabbing his helmet, like it was some sort of mental kick to get him back in the game.
I seem to remember reading that the Bell helmets had the big mouthpiece, and he would pull it down when jumping to keep it out of the way.

People thought it was a technique to prevent armpump
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
I wish we could have seen him and Everts go at it over a whole season in mx. My money would have been on RC but...
I wish we could have seen him and Everts go at it over a whole season in mx. My money would have been on RC but who knows .
Nah, MXDN 03 showed us how that would have went.

Plus think of the guys that beat Everts that RC dominated: Albertyn, Tortelli
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MC doesnt get the credit he deserves. I think James and him should be tied for greatest naturally talented supercross rider ever. They both did things no one else did. James with scrubbing and jumping things no one else would, Jeremy
would roll jumps and triple out, skim huge whoops and soak up triples and jump stuff from the inside that no one else would do. He would also jump big stuff that no one else would do, He just didnt crash like James did.
There are so many variables to why he lost in 2001. The tracks were tamed down in 2001, Age maybe?, Overtraining?,
RC hiring Aldon and getting in shape was just one reason. If you go back and watch 2000 supercross compared to 2001
he is visibly slower. I think some of it may have been mental after getting beat or maybe he was out of shape or didnt have the desire to win. I dont know. I just know he wasnt as fast.
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Dutch348 wrote:
And another huge point that is overlooked; MC raced in an era where no one had a full time personal trainer, nutritionist or anything like that...
And another huge point that is overlooked; MC raced in an era where no one had a full time personal trainer, nutritionist or anything like that. Meanwhile RC had Aldon which started a whole new deal.
So what your saying is... RC came in and "Did the work". The days of partying at Havasu, and Temecula were then over so MC checked out... But this somehow favors MC? WTF?
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
McGrath is the SX GOAT, no argument about that.
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To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the...
To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the cans they had previously used many times. Leaded race gas at the time has grams as high as 4.5. Today there are so many brands of unleaded as high as 109 octane as well as oxygenated blends.
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James and Chad took their lick's and got their points taken...Were they cheating?...Dry
Nobody should lost points for fuel. Yet again the FIM.
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
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People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
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First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented...
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
You sound like a fool
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
BigBoreFan58 wrote:
McGrath is the SX GOAT, no argument about that.
In a series once RC hit his stride give me RC every single time. Won his 5th SX title when he was 26, would he have won in 07? No, but no one beats 07 Stew, but had RC stayed into racing into his thirties there is no doubt he would have won way more SX title and races.
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RC put up some world class numbers. Pretty amazing when you look at it. Other than a "slow start" in Supercross, he was unbeatable for a...
RC put up some world class numbers. Pretty amazing when you look at it.

Other than a "slow start" in Supercross, he was unbeatable for a title.

Looks like Stewart had him covered for SX in 07, but not outdoors. Who knows how it would of played out had RC ran the entire series in 07.

600 points possible in MX. 425 in Supercross, 200 in a SX Lites regional series.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ricky-carmichael/races

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ricky-carmichael/points

RC never raced a 17 race SX series, there was only 400 points available not 425.
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
I hate this argument sooooo much. 90’s moto was a black eye on our sport. I hate how people put that era on a pedestal. He was flying straight from Havasu to the races and then straight back after. Party all week and race on the weekends. And he had half the field doing the same thing. It was the lowest point in our sports history and he dominated Supercross because of raw talent alone. Even in that low of an era he struggled outdoors. Placing his stats next to Ricky’s is apples to oranges. Put Ricky in that era and there’s a possibility of a perfect indoor season and guarantees for several more outdoor. Ultimately RC changed the sport. The training. The intensity. He made motocross racers professional athletes again. Does he string together a perfect season in the 2010-2020 era? Probably not. Does he double his records if he starts 10 years earlier? Absolutely.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/08/19/506356/s1200_627FD7A3_DE61_467D_9CF2_6FE43BD05905.jpg[/img]

I heard RC say in an interview that he didn't mean to whip it this hard- his back wheel slid on the takeoff and he thought he was gonna crash. Photo is sick Sick
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toomanykaws wrote:
To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the...
To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the cans they had previously used many times. Leaded race gas at the time has grams as high as 4.5. Today there are so many brands of unleaded as high as 109 octane as well as oxygenated blends.
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James and Chad took their lick's and got their points taken...Were they cheating?...Dry
Actually, yes. James did in fact cheat. Hence the ban. But hey, let’s no go getting facts in the way or anything.
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