ARM PUMP

yeeeesir281
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How to get rid of it!!! First race this weekend and was running 11th outta 40 but dropped down due to tired ness. Also was running top pack in 125 but had arm
Pump later ..I have the speed to do good but can not not get tired from
Arm pump. Help!
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5/16/2021 8:55pm
Seat time, gripping with the knees, and finding the right size grip helps a lot.
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5/16/2021 9:03pm
Moar Red Bull!
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5/16/2021 9:06pm
Here's my comment from the last time this topic came up:

I personally dealt with diagnosed Chronic Exertional Compartment Syndrome in both my arms and legs and feel like I have a reasonable handle on the issue. During all my research I was left with the distinct impression that fascia release surgery never works in the long term, at best you might get a couple of years relief before issues flare up again. On top of that it is quite a risky surgery unless you get a surgeon who has performed it many times, there is a lot of precision required and any mistake can cost you feeling or control of your foot or hand.

I wanted a more permanent result so researched many other avenues. One that showed potential was a Dr in the US that was trialing a method of stretching the muscle fascia by injecting botox underneath the fascia. I was intrigued but the cost of flying to the states and undergoing that treatment long term was just too much, but I thought the idea of stretching the fascia was interesting. I dove down the rabbit hole again and found some interesting research by Camilla Nordin among others which indicated that it should be possible to increase fascia elasticity through supplementation of Methylsulfonylmethane, Collagen, and vitamin C. Although it's not directly stretching the fascia it should have a similar effect under muscle expansion conditions.

I started taking those supplements in high doses (among others) and committed to regular foam rolling, stretching etc. It's been a pretty remarkable turnaround, I spent 7+ years not able to do any of the sport I used to, and now I'm back. I'm not perfect, but I've gone from having rock solid calves and numb feet after walking a few hundred meters to now running 15kms. I had to ride small displacement bikes for years and eventually sold them because I couldn't do more than a minute of riding before I had no arm control, I recently borrowed a 450 and did a 50km ride at a pretty good pace and I didn't have to stop even once. Such a massive difference I almost can't believe it. Anyway, over the last 18 months as I've been going through this change I've wondered many times if this could help motocross riders who suffer badly from arm pump.
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5/16/2021 9:16pm
Relax, as simple as it sounds you probably have a death grip on the bars and you don't even realise it. You don't have to hold on that tight. So just relax and let it flow.
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5/16/2021 9:29pm
MX690 wrote:
Relax, as simple as it sounds you probably have a death grip on the bars and you don't even realise it. You don't have to hold...
Relax, as simple as it sounds you probably have a death grip on the bars and you don't even realise it. You don't have to hold on that tight. So just relax and let it flow.
This. Loosen up and ride smoother. Find a good groove to flow around the track and get in a zone. When you're going over a jump or on a long straight, breath. You literally forget to breath sometimes and deprive your muscles of oxygen
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5/16/2021 9:41pm
A proper warm up and stretch goes a long ways in mitigating arm pump. Before I suit up, I do anywhere from 100-150 jumping jacks and stretch the whole body. You have to get the heart pumping blood BEFORE your stretch. Cold stretches can do more harm than good.
Also loosen the grip, notice its a problem when you nerves are up and trying extra hard.
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5/16/2021 9:56pm
Its been said punching the clown before you leave the house to go ride helps.....

On a serious note do the following: 1) seat time is paramount, 2) forearm stretching before riding, 3) proper hydration, 4) grip with your feet/knees 5) Stay fit and eat a decent diet
5/16/2021 11:16pm
As a non professional rider arm pump is like herpies, just live with it, it will come and go when least expected.
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28hall
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5/17/2021 12:19am
So I don’t really have anything to add as a solition to the problem as I’ve been lucky enough to have never experienced arm pump but I am curious do you guys do forearm and grip strengthening away from the bike? Maybe arm pump is a genetic problem however I have worked construction for 16 years and am constantly gripping tools and materials using forearm strength so my theory is strengthening exercises could potentially help? My only other tip is to go with renthal full waffle grips those things are like Velcro in all conditions
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5/17/2021 7:35am Edited Date/Time 5/17/2021 7:43am
Ride more often. The best way to get the proper timing, feeling, flow etc is time on the bike. When your timing is slightly off you make a couple micro adjustments and corrections for each movement and thus tiring yourself out faster.

Off the bike you can work on core strength and a lot of balance drills, as being more coordinated and balanced off the bike will only help on the bike as well.
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McG194
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5/17/2021 9:15am
First suggestion is massage, if that doesn't work use massage.

On your way to the track get pretty serious on working your forearms with your thumbs on the way to the track and you will be amazed at the improvement.
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TSCHAM101
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5/17/2021 11:08am
i lost weight (215lbs), and now i have 0 arm pump(170lbs).. if you are less than 6ft, or are a bodybuilder.. i think you will notice a big difference if you get to sub 180lbs...
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5/17/2021 11:42am
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for you, but here is what worked for me:

-Softer, larger-diameter grips
-Higher levers
-Flatter bar bend (less sweep)
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5/17/2021 11:58am
I will maybe state some obvious things but I don't think armpump is a mystery with some secret solution. As many have mentioned the problem is often not in the arms themselves but the fact that the muscles become overloaded... So the solution is to use the muscles less by compensate for having to hold on to the handlebar...

For example by with gripping with your feet and knees, Balance on the footpegs = lean forward while accelerating, lean back while braking so that the force goes in the legs, not arms. Keep the legs and back almost straight and hip bent forward, elbows up. Not the other way around. Release the grip to let the blood flow. Also breathe. And practise alot of course.

One time I applied some plastic shine on the bike with silicone in it. The bike slipped around and I got arm pump immediately. So I prefer it to look a bit rough instead..


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5/17/2021 12:24pm
Go play ride for an hour and you’ll never get arm pump.

Arm pump happens because you’re holding on too tight.
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5/17/2021 12:57pm
Ride loose...loose hands, loose wrists, loose elbows, loose shoulders, loose neck...unlock those hips.

Breath! Breath! Breath! (you are likely holding your breath...or at least not breathing correctly...steady consistent breaths the entire time you are riding).

Perfect your Technique...stand more, ride loose, toes pointed in, grip with your knees, knees behind toes, bend at the waste, elbows up

Hydrate

Unless you get arm pump cruising through the pits on the way to the start line, it's almost always one or more of those things. And special grips, different bars, different bar mounts, won't fix it.
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5/17/2021 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2021 8:21pm
Buy a cr500 and use it as your practice bike, obviously

Or, try to relax and get plenty of potassium and electrolytes. What’s your race day Diet look like? I bet you’re not eating enough bananas oranges and jerky.

Don’t hold on so hard and play with grip size like mentioned above. Moving to full waffle along with some other changes I mentioned helped me a lot
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5/18/2021 9:12am
sexual intercourse helps. If you practice at least once every 24hrs and treat it like a workout, do some planks, curls and push ups. Really focus on your form, it will increase your endurance and hone your race craft.
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The switch from RedTube to Pornhub sealed the deal for me
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6/4/2021 12:02pm
TSCHAM101 wrote:
i lost weight (215lbs), and now i have 0 arm pump(170lbs).. if you are less than 6ft, or are a bodybuilder.. i think you will notice...
i lost weight (215lbs), and now i have 0 arm pump(170lbs).. if you are less than 6ft, or are a bodybuilder.. i think you will notice a big difference if you get to sub 180lbs...
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6/4/2021 12:30pm
Rickyisms wrote:
Seat time, gripping with the knees, and finding the right size grip helps a lot.
Everyone says seat time, but the pros ride more than any of us and still deal with it. Not all, but more than you would guess deal with it.
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Falcon wrote:
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for...
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for you, but here is what worked for me:

-Softer, larger-diameter grips
-Higher levers
-Flatter bar bend (less sweep)
I actually had the opposite with grips. the larger the grip, the worse the arm pump
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6/4/2021 3:50pm
Rickyisms wrote:
Seat time, gripping with the knees, and finding the right size grip helps a lot.
Everyone says seat time, but the pros ride more than any of us and still deal with it. Not all, but more than you would guess...
Everyone says seat time, but the pros ride more than any of us and still deal with it. Not all, but more than you would guess deal with it.
I never understood the 'pros' getting arm pump unless it is because they change their settings so often they make the bike unrideable sometimes.

The only times I would get arm pump was when I was not in good enough shape. Not being in good enough shape makes you hold on too tight with your arms.

Riding a lot will cure arm pump...unless your bike suspension is not set up properly for you. All the other 'tricks' are just that. Ride.
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Go to Europe...Consult with a Surgeon....Any come back with the forearm scars. Old school! Smile
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6/4/2021 7:39pm
Falcon wrote:
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for...
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for you, but here is what worked for me:

-Softer, larger-diameter grips
-Higher levers
-Flatter bar bend (less sweep)
I actually had the opposite with grips. the larger the grip, the worse the arm pump
I have been trying the thin Pro Taper lock on grips lately and have found they help out a bit with arm pump. They are noticeably thinner than stock Yamaha or KTM grips. For me it seems like I naturally don’t grip them as hard. I know some people swear by pillow top grips but I always felt like I was death gripping those the worst.
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6/4/2021 9:03pm
Falcon wrote:
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for...
Lever position and the correct bar bend did wonders for me. I haven't had significant arm pump since the '90s. It will likely be different for you, but here is what worked for me:

-Softer, larger-diameter grips
-Higher levers
-Flatter bar bend (less sweep)
I actually had the opposite with grips. the larger the grip, the worse the arm pump
JBecker 72 wrote:
I have been trying the thin Pro Taper lock on grips lately and have found they help out a bit with arm pump. They are noticeably...
I have been trying the thin Pro Taper lock on grips lately and have found they help out a bit with arm pump. They are noticeably thinner than stock Yamaha or KTM grips. For me it seems like I naturally don’t grip them as hard. I know some people swear by pillow top grips but I always felt like I was death gripping those the worst.
Lol, we are the exact opposite experience. To each their own I suppose. I found the Protaper lock on grips too thin and had severe arm pump when riding on the vet tracks that I never got arm pump on. I'm used to the thick pillow tops. I went back and never get arm pump on trails or vet tracks. I get arm pump on the national tracks with bigger jumps and more difficult obstacles where I grip the piss out of the grips = arm pump.
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6/4/2021 10:23pm
Potassium or preferably eat a banana.

600-800 mg Ibuprofen.

1 if these the day before and the day of the event.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Spring-Valley-Calcium-Magnesium-Zinc-plus-Vi… $5.94

Drink a gallon of distilled water the day before, or until you piss clear.

Seat time is overated.Laughing
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6/5/2021 3:30am
I used to get horrific arm pump to the point of being unable to let go of the throttle...

I’ve followed all the usual suggestions. Seat time, cardio, ibuprofen, hydrate

The only that helps is being comfortable. I could be in prime Lance Armstrong shape but if I went out and tried to force it I’d still get wicked arm pump. It had me bumfuzzled cause I could go play ride and never get an inkling of it. Come race time, RIP the functioning of my hands.
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Technique and being smooth is the best ways. Lose hands and use your body to control the bike not your arms.
Also pace your self. You don’t go out and sprint the first 500 metres in marathon it’s the same in a bike race.
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