2 lap card, to checkered flag?

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gt80rider 2/4/2021 7:21am
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scootch wrote:
Shit. Show.
Arenacross shit show

Fixed it for ya.... ya.... seems nobody gaf anymore about putting on a quality show... sigh
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FahQ wrote:
Hopefully they learned something with the tough blocks.
How many guys got F’d up by the them in one night?
What a shit show!
Bro I was at the race, and it was MADNESS with the tough blocks.

I mean they literally had 3 or 4 guys who spent the whole night just managing tough block locations.

Several times in rhythm sections, they had the yellow flag out TO TWEAK TOUGH BLOCK POSITIONS.

Leave the fucking blocks alone and let them race.
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mac3-d 2/4/2021 9:00am
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hey flag man its the blue bike with white riding gear & the white flag without the black on it
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DC 2/4/2021 11:59am
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JustMX wrote:
Oh geez,

Who was planning this amazing last lap pass?

Please Name them so he can send them an apology and maybe a hooters gift card.
Brent wrote:
You are joking right? The white flag lap is where everything has been happening! How many results this year would have changed if they took out...
You are joking right?
The white flag lap is where everything has been happening!

How many results this year would have changed if they took out the last lap? I can think of 3 right now, I know roczen remembers one...
Turns out every other rider in the race except for Colt Nichols got the white flag--the flagman made a mistake and missed giving it to Nichols (he was apparently looking at his stopwatch and Colt came by with maybe four seconds before the 15-minute mark) and gave it to second-place Craig instead, just after 15, and continued waving it for everyone else in the field until Colt came back around and got the checkered.

It didn't change anything. The only thing we missed was Colt's nac-nac at the finish as he was the only one who did not know he was on the last lap. The mistake though was compounded by the TV hosts Todd and Ricky looking at their screens (as they are supposed to) and not overlooking the whole track, when they maybe would have saw it waving...

This is one of the things people were worried about when they want from 15- and 20-lap mains to 15-minutes + 1 lap and 20-minutes + 1 lap mains. Had it been the old way, the race would have been four laps shorter, as Nichols ended up getting 19 laps in.

Human error happens, unfortunately, and the flagger made one at the end of the Indy 2 250 main.

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EngIceDave 2/4/2021 12:13pm
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Flagged races for years, you can get lost. It happens. A lot can be going on at once. Only the leader was missed, nothing happened.

Relax
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Kennyfreemoney 2/4/2021 12:43pm
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FahQ wrote:
Hopefully they learned something with the tough blocks.
How many guys got F’d up by the them in one night?
What a shit show!
They need to take the tough blocks off the downside of EVERY jump. After Jett hit the tough block and crashed, they never put it back and almost every rider hit the exact line the took out Jett.
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I've been a AMA member for 60+ years and over that time I have seen the AMA do a lot of things that make you wonder what were they thinking. Tuesday night that have quite a few of them. Tough blocks, DQing a rider mistakenly, trying to fix it without letting the announcers know what was going on, putting tough blocks in the wrong places and putting them back in the same places after they caused crashes, putting tough blocks on the track on the down side of jumps and who knows what else they did. If you have to deal with some of them at a race and you aren't factory sponsored, you'll find there are some that think they are God and you are wrong no matter what it is but there are some that are completely the opposite. Actually we have had better luck at National Arenacross races (back in the day) than motocross, Supercross or road racing.

I've been an official at local races, LL qualifiers, regional qualifiers, go kart races and more and know how hard it can be sometimes. Sure it's tough but you are in that position and you are supposed to know the rules and judge accordingly, it's your responsibility. If you see something unsafe, you are supposed to make it known to the person in charge.

One rider got hurt because of those mistakes. Other riders crashed into the tough blocks and lost places and money for those mistakes. One got DQ'd without cause although they did try to make that right.

Oh yea, I've been on a bike and won a few races and a National Amateur Championship as well as helping my kids and others along the way including Championships. Been on both sides of that. You still have to do your job and if you don't, whatever the job is, you suffer the consequences. Were there any consequences for the AMA's mistakes other than humiliation and the message boards blowing up? I doubt it.
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Brent 2/4/2021 6:04pm
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EngIceDave wrote:
Flagged races for years, you can get lost. It happens. A lot can be going on at once. Only the leader was missed, nothing happened.

Relax
So then it’s ok, no big deal that the sanctioning body for a race televised around the globe and dealing with millions of dollars just hands some retired guy a flag and tells him “ just wave it whenever”?

Yes mistakes happen, but add this rather large one to the growing list of mistakes made Tuesday. Whoever the referee is this year needs to review his crew before something else happens that affects the outcome of a championship.

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I’m an old timer from Tampa and used to live near the stadium. The NFL is gonna let me ref a game this Sunday.
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SlowOldGuy 2/4/2021 6:21pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but...
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but the last time he flagged was during the old 15 lap format. He’s a local and they thought it would be nice to let him wave the checkers since they are in his hometown. He’s been retired for sometime now.
FYI

This is absolutely, positively not true.
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NorCal1975 2/4/2021 10:17pm
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FahQ wrote:
Hopefully they learned something with the tough blocks.
How many guys got F’d up by the them in one night?
What a shit show!
No kidding, I know this has been hashed out many times but the tough blocks cause WAY more injuries than they prevent, its not even close. What is the real purpose for them being there? Is it just for advertising and to mark the track lanes? I am fine with them trying to find ways to sell advertising space, but I personally think it comes at the cost of rider safety. Wish they could just use those plastic markers like they have in outdoors...
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Spat24 2/4/2021 10:55pm
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it has been stated there was still a few seconds on the clock when Nichols crossed the finish line getting the checkered flag. So technically it was not and should not have been the last lap. So everyone was denied the true last lap - and some riders who may have passed another rider or two was not given the chance for a better payday and more points. That is unfortunate.
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ctbale 2/4/2021 11:17pm
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Hey Webb and Freezy! Quit laying on that corner block, its not a couch. Dam rookies just tipping over for no reasons.....
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EngIceDave 2/5/2021 3:54am
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Brent wrote:
So then it’s ok, no big deal that the sanctioning body for a race televised around the globe and dealing with millions of dollars just hands...
So then it’s ok, no big deal that the sanctioning body for a race televised around the globe and dealing with millions of dollars just hands some retired guy a flag and tells him “ just wave it whenever”?

Yes mistakes happen, but add this rather large one to the growing list of mistakes made Tuesday. Whoever the referee is this year needs to review his crew before something else happens that affects the outcome of a championship.

No one said it's ok, but mistakes do happen. There are humans involved.

You never make a mistake? Error free life?
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EngIceDave 2/5/2021 4:01am
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One more thing, people seem to keep forgetting, and not just here but out in the real world, that we are in the midst of a worldwide pandemic.

Everything is on minimal crew and staffing. Things are different. People are still figuring things out . It is just not going to be perfect.

What happened to being happy there is any racing at all?

That shit went to the wayside pretty fast, huh?
Only took a couple weeks
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DC wrote:
Turns out every other rider in the race except for Colt Nichols got the white flag--the flagman made a mistake and missed giving it to Nichols...
Turns out every other rider in the race except for Colt Nichols got the white flag--the flagman made a mistake and missed giving it to Nichols (he was apparently looking at his stopwatch and Colt came by with maybe four seconds before the 15-minute mark) and gave it to second-place Craig instead, just after 15, and continued waving it for everyone else in the field until Colt came back around and got the checkered.

It didn't change anything. The only thing we missed was Colt's nac-nac at the finish as he was the only one who did not know he was on the last lap. The mistake though was compounded by the TV hosts Todd and Ricky looking at their screens (as they are supposed to) and not overlooking the whole track, when they maybe would have saw it waving...

This is one of the things people were worried about when they want from 15- and 20-lap mains to 15-minutes + 1 lap and 20-minutes + 1 lap mains. Had it been the old way, the race would have been four laps shorter, as Nichols ended up getting 19 laps in.

Human error happens, unfortunately, and the flagger made one at the end of the Indy 2 250 main.

DC
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Yes it did change something.... my view of pro sx.... its a shit show.... I was dangling, now I done with it... I will keep on riding, but I now see following pro racing as a complete waste of my time....
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Spat24 wrote:
it has been stated there was still a few seconds on the clock when Nichols crossed the finish line getting the checkered flag. So technically it...
it has been stated there was still a few seconds on the clock when Nichols crossed the finish line getting the checkered flag. So technically it was not and should not have been the last lap. So everyone was denied the true last lap - and some riders who may have passed another rider or two was not given the chance for a better payday and more points. That is unfortunate.
I'm pretty sure the final word was that the rest of the field got the white flag. Only Nichols missed it. It was thrown a lap early because Nichols crossed the line before 0:00. But the rest of the field knew it was their last lap. I was always taught, race to the checkers. If the checkers comes out on lap 3 or lap 33, race to the checkers.
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but...
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but the last time he flagged was during the old 15 lap format. He’s a local and they thought it would be nice to let him wave the checkers since they are in his hometown. He’s been retired for sometime now.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI

This is absolutely, positively not true.
Whatchu mean it's not true?
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but...
The man waving the flag is my uncle and he would be upset if he heard you say that. He’s upset about it, trust me, but the last time he flagged was during the old 15 lap format. He’s a local and they thought it would be nice to let him wave the checkers since they are in his hometown. He’s been retired for sometime now.
SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI

This is absolutely, positively not true.
disbanded wrote:
Whatchu mean it's not true?
It was actually Hank's father not uncle
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SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI

This is absolutely, positively not true.
disbanded wrote:
Whatchu mean it's not true?
GrapeApe wrote:
It was actually Hank's father not uncle
You mean the war hero with the stumpy legs that got his shins "blowed off by a Japanman's machine gun"?
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disbanded wrote:
Whatchu mean it's not true?
GrapeApe wrote:
It was actually Hank's father not uncle
slipdog wrote:
You mean the war hero with the stumpy legs that got his shins "blowed off by a Japanman's machine gun"?
Guam, 1944. He crawled through a minefield to retrieve General MacArthur's corn-cob pipe.
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lostboy819 2/5/2021 9:52am
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gt80rider wrote:
Yes it did change something.... my view of pro sx.... its a shit show.... I was dangling, now I done with it... I will keep on...
Yes it did change something.... my view of pro sx.... its a shit show.... I was dangling, now I done with it... I will keep on riding, but I now see following pro racing as a complete waste of my time....
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JustMX 2/5/2021 10:09am
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DC wrote:
Turns out every other rider in the race except for Colt Nichols got the white flag--the flagman made a mistake and missed giving it to Nichols...
Turns out every other rider in the race except for Colt Nichols got the white flag--the flagman made a mistake and missed giving it to Nichols (he was apparently looking at his stopwatch and Colt came by with maybe four seconds before the 15-minute mark) and gave it to second-place Craig instead, just after 15, and continued waving it for everyone else in the field until Colt came back around and got the checkered.

It didn't change anything. The only thing we missed was Colt's nac-nac at the finish as he was the only one who did not know he was on the last lap. The mistake though was compounded by the TV hosts Todd and Ricky looking at their screens (as they are supposed to) and not overlooking the whole track, when they maybe would have saw it waving...

This is one of the things people were worried about when they want from 15- and 20-lap mains to 15-minutes + 1 lap and 20-minutes + 1 lap mains. Had it been the old way, the race would have been four laps shorter, as Nichols ended up getting 19 laps in.

Human error happens, unfortunately, and the flagger made one at the end of the Indy 2 250 main.

DC
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gt80rider wrote:
Yes it did change something.... my view of pro sx.... its a shit show.... I was dangling, now I done with it... I will keep on...
Yes it did change something.... my view of pro sx.... its a shit show.... I was dangling, now I done with it... I will keep on riding, but I now see following pro racing as a complete waste of my time....
If something like this is all it takes to push you to this point...then

Buh bye

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