Forkner “stupidity”?

LKHill wrote:

"One was a rider who had no intention of making contact or a pass, just coming in at a gnarly angle; while the other was a...

"One was a rider who had no intention of making contact or a pass, just coming in at a gnarly angle; while the other was a rider coming in to make a pass with contact and misjudged how close he was."

What he didn't account for was RJ cutting down on him causing both riders to go down instead of just one. I do agree the Dungey thing was more of a racing incident. It did however seem to be the end of Stewart's career. Kind of ironic in that he helped Dungy win a race by blocking Marv in Atlanta.

Riesenberg448 wrote:

I think you’re correct; however, the combination of Forkner misjudging RJ’s line and misjudging the gap did indeed put them both on the ground. While his...

I think you’re correct; however, the combination of Forkner misjudging RJ’s line and misjudging the gap did indeed put them both on the ground.

While his competition for the win was starting to get away, he has to realize and mature as a racer to know you can’t afford those misjudgements in a short series. A 2nd place finish and points would’ve had him leaving with the red plate instead of a 7 point deficit.

I believe a lot of the negativity is because he has superstar talent and speed and the confidence/attitude to go with it, but he hasn’t earned superstar results and/or titles.

TannerMxer wrote:

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you...

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you realize they don't actually know HOW to race.

They've talked about this kind of thing on PulpMx a couple times. It's insane to me that racing amateurs isn't really that much racing.

That's why you'll never see another Ricky or Bubba storm onto the scene and just win everything immediately. Those guys raced probably 25-30 races a year in the amateurs.

Now guys have to learn how to race in a pack when they get to the pros.

It's kinda ridiculous.

Ronnie_Gardner wrote:

I must wear a rose colored glasses because from my viewpoint Hampshire tried To lean into him and he wasn’t there and he was going down...

I must wear a rose colored glasses because from my viewpoint Hampshire tried To lean into him and he wasn’t there and he was going down before they made contact

stiksandstones wrote:

2 things, is Denny the guy that vanished a few months ago? He turn up? and Does Forkner still go out with that smokeshow girlfriend?

stiksandstones wrote:

2 things, is Denny the guy that vanished a few months ago? He turn up? and Does Forkner still go out with that smokeshow girlfriend?

soggy wrote:

You guys are the only smart people in this thread. RJ made a mistake that forced him out of his line and forkner was coming like...

You guys are the only smart people in this thread. RJ made a mistake that forced him out of his line and forkner was coming like a freight train. If RJ stays in the line he wanted it would be close but Austin probably sneaks by. It wasn’t a smart move but he had a window if RJ sticks his line.

Elbows wrote:

RJ was out front and has the right to go wherever he wants.

davistld01 wrote:

What did Forkner do last night for Denny Stephenson to jump on Twitter & call him “so fucking stupid”?

TannerMxer wrote:

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you...

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you realize they don't actually know HOW to race.

They've talked about this kind of thing on PulpMx a couple times. It's insane to me that racing amateurs isn't really that much racing.

That's why you'll never see another Ricky or Bubba storm onto the scene and just win everything immediately. Those guys raced probably 25-30 races a year in the amateurs.

Now guys have to learn how to race in a pack when they get to the pros.

It's kinda ridiculous.

Ronnie_Gardner wrote:

I must wear a rose colored glasses because from my viewpoint Hampshire tried To lean into him and he wasn’t there and he was going down...

I must wear a rose colored glasses because from my viewpoint Hampshire tried To lean into him and he wasn’t there and he was going down before they made contact

TannerMxer wrote:

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you...

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you realize they don't actually know HOW to race.

They've talked about this kind of thing on PulpMx a couple times. It's insane to me that racing amateurs isn't really that much racing.

That's why you'll never see another Ricky or Bubba storm onto the scene and just win everything immediately. Those guys raced probably 25-30 races a year in the amateurs.

Now guys have to learn how to race in a pack when they get to the pros.

It's kinda ridiculous.

STLSharky wrote:

spolied little farm snob needs to grow up

TannerMxer wrote:

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you...

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you realize they don't actually know HOW to race.

They've talked about this kind of thing on PulpMx a couple times. It's insane to me that racing amateurs isn't really that much racing.

That's why you'll never see another Ricky or Bubba storm onto the scene and just win everything immediately. Those guys raced probably 25-30 races a year in the amateurs.

Now guys have to learn how to race in a pack when they get to the pros.

It's kinda ridiculous.

mxtech1 wrote:

Sexton was a regular almost every weekend in Illinois district racing all the way up until he landed his ride with Geico. i can remember many...

Sexton was a regular almost every weekend in Illinois district racing all the way up until he landed his ride with Geico. i can remember many local races that he won by huge margins but it didn’t change the way he rode...always smooth and always attacking the track.

TannerMxer wrote:

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you...

Forkner makes me think of those amateur racers that didn't race all but 2-3 times per year at the big national amateur races... but then you realize they don't actually know HOW to race.

They've talked about this kind of thing on PulpMx a couple times. It's insane to me that racing amateurs isn't really that much racing.

That's why you'll never see another Ricky or Bubba storm onto the scene and just win everything immediately. Those guys raced probably 25-30 races a year in the amateurs.

Now guys have to learn how to race in a pack when they get to the pros.

It's kinda ridiculous.

mxtech1 wrote:

Sexton was a regular almost every weekend in Illinois district racing all the way up until he landed his ride with Geico. i can remember many...

Sexton was a regular almost every weekend in Illinois district racing all the way up until he landed his ride with Geico. i can remember many local races that he won by huge margins but it didn’t change the way he rode...always smooth and always attacking the track.

TannerMxer wrote:

Which is why he seems to be better everywhere compared to all his contemporaries (aka kids his age) in the sport.

holyroller1 wrote:

WTH just happened here???? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/22/474262/s1200_Capture1.jpg[/img]

WTH just happened here????

holyroller1 wrote:

WTH just happened here???? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/01/22/474262/s1200_Capture1.jpg[/img]

WTH just happened here????

mxtech1 wrote:

After my original post, I got curious and did some basic research on number of races between Sexton & Forkner between 2006 - 2017 Forkner raced...

After my original post, I got curious and did some basic research on number of races between Sexton & Forkner between 2006 - 2017

Forkner raced 154 times and averaged ~14 races per year
Sexton raced 315 times and averaged ~28 races per year

Big thing I noticed was Forkner did most of his races leading up to LL qualifiers and then did very little racing after LL. In his later amateur years, it’s very evident they were mostly doing the “big name” events.

Sexton pretty much raced all year long (at least for Midwest standards) and most of that % came from district level events in Illinois and surrounding states.

I think that’s a big difference...by the time they turned pro, Sexton had 161 MORE races under his belt than Forkner. What’s hard to explain though, is that Sexton spent most of his time absolutely laying the wood to district level racers every weekend and he turned out to be the humble one with a level head.

thisnameistaken wrote:

Forkner needs to figure things out. He will point out this year but if he gets it done he can defend next year and tomac will...

Forkner needs to figure things out. He will point out this year but if he gets it done he can defend next year and tomac will probably be done next year in time for forkner to take his spot in 2023. If not then were is there room for him next year?

Hcallz5 wrote:

He's like Adam Cianciarulo but a lot less humble and a lot less easy to like.

ShawdowGlen wrote:

Somebody testing the.... [img]https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/aa6/witchbrow/Decorated%20images/901225.gif[/img]

Somebody testing the....

mxtech1 wrote:

After my original post, I got curious and did some basic research on number of races between Sexton & Forkner between 2006 - 2017 Forkner raced...

After my original post, I got curious and did some basic research on number of races between Sexton & Forkner between 2006 - 2017

Forkner raced 154 times and averaged ~14 races per year
Sexton raced 315 times and averaged ~28 races per year

Big thing I noticed was Forkner did most of his races leading up to LL qualifiers and then did very little racing after LL. In his later amateur years, it’s very evident they were mostly doing the “big name” events.

Sexton pretty much raced all year long (at least for Midwest standards) and most of that % came from district level events in Illinois and surrounding states.

I think that’s a big difference...by the time they turned pro, Sexton had 161 MORE races under his belt than Forkner. What’s hard to explain though, is that Sexton spent most of his time absolutely laying the wood to district level racers every weekend and he turned out to be the humble one with a level head.

RichieW13 wrote:

I have a couple questions: 1) If racing more as an amateur leads to better success, then wouldn't the factories be concentrating their efforts on signing...

I have a couple questions:

1) If racing more as an amateur leads to better success, then wouldn't the factories be concentrating their efforts on signing guys with experience rather than pure speed?

2) I've been to some local races where there is a fast kid. Usually that fast kid gets a holeshot and then pulls away from the field, and never sees anybody else except for lappers. Is that experience really that much better than just practicing alone at a track that day?

chump6784 wrote:

Can't answer number 1 Number 2) I've seen many times where a fast guy or kid turns up to a track and at the gate drop...

Can't answer number 1

Number 2) I've seen many times where a fast guy or kid turns up to a track and at the gate drop let's the whole field get to a certain point on the track and then take off. They then spend the rest of the moto passing people, getting to the faster ones later in the race, as actual race practice. This helps improve racecraft and dealing with lappers.