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* 2 Stroke equality (edit, and Electrics for the formerly 450 class back to Open class.)
* No Homologation (works or one off garage specials allowed)
Thank You!
* No Homologation (works or one off garage specials allowed)
Thank You!
This is way past due!! It will help some privateers in mx and make a bunch but not all fans happy. I'd love to see beta or tm try a factory effort in mx. It'd probably never happen but with no homo and equality for all, they'd be the only ones i could see mixing it up. I don't see more then a few guys run sx even with equal cc. These 250f's are damn good bikes now.
Electric is WAY overdue. Remember they were going to consider it a few years back...Edit: and try to figure what class an Alta should be in. Just call it Open class and let it be. They already assisted in killing off the only E-bike worth riding, and an American company at that. What incentive does any manufacturer have to develop a bike that can't be raced at the highest levels? Don't try and tell us it's all about 4t's being green when you won't let E-bikes race even at LL's.
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However since we have his attention I would like like to see a 125 class like the EMX125 series in Europe :-)
Sorry to ruin the circle jerk taking place.
Can I please get a Playstation 5? I've been good for a [s]large[/s] portion of the year.
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Yes, but I didn't want to ask for too much. Absolutely finish what they started with 125's, but age limited not retired pro's.
Privateers and B/C level teams can ride the 250 2sts.
Fans benefit. Adds extra excitement, factions, sound, and diversity. WIN FUCKING WIN.
The only reason it doesn't happen is because the factories are terrified someone will beat their precious 4-strokes on an 'outdated' 2-stroke. Heaven fucking forbid.
Sack up and do what's good for the fans.
There are more SX than MX races in a year here so not only is the discipline split, the emphasis is on SX while the MXGP series is strictly motocross on multiple types of terrain. Adding a 125 class to the existing structure in the US would not make us better motocross racers. We have a solid amateur program here that brings kids up through the ranks but if they want to make it as a pro racer in America they need to learn SX.
Love it or hate it, that’s how it is. I would love to see two strokes return to pro racing in the US, especially a 125 class, but that’s not going to make ‘us’ better at motocross.
The only thing is that Gifting that now is a top 5 GP rider on GasGas didnt ride the series at all this year, so he probably would have won this year on a 4 stroke.
And this is just my views from being at the races for the better part of the last 30 years, national and local stuff. I know there's some fast racers who rip and win on 2 strokes (Canadian nats?). But it would be awesome to see maybe 2 or 3 indoors at a supercross, and maybe 10 or 12 of the main event guys at AMA races on 2 strokes.
My recommendation for changes are a 6 round outdoor series ran in conjunction with the Nationals and have a individual race purse and series end purse and have it for 125's! Have big fat purses so it will attract some up and comers and the "been there, done that" pro's will both show up. Have the purse paid for with an extra $2.50 raise in ticket prices. Do it DC! It sounds easy from behind my keyboard!
125
250 (2 or 4 stroke)
500 (450 4 stroke or 300-500 2 stroke)
At least give the guys a choice.
Contact the AMA, and, they will tell you the machinery rules are set by MX Sports / Feld, in each respective series.
As, 3 of the Japanese brands have Nothing but 4ts, and Yamaha have a pair of 2005 /2006 model 2ts they sell enough of, without the need to promote them through racing at the highest levels.
The KTM (now) Triad? - they've a lot of 4 strokes to sell, with no need to push the 2ts. 2ts that basically subsidized , through the high profits on the 2ts, their 4ts of all types - Dirt and Road - development over many, many years.
After using the same 2 base 2t engine modules: the 125/200 until about 2015/16 and 250/300, until 2017, with just the minimal changes in the engines' basic design - you can fit a 380 crank in an up to '16 250 / 300 case, with a bit of machining on one crank end - then, finally, the 2, completely new engine modules. It was a fantastic business model, so helped by the Japanese factories basically leaving a still substantial part of the market to them.
KTM, KTHusky, KTGeeGee and Yamaha would probably offer little support to riders / teams that chose to race with their 2ts, in the main series.
Heck, last time I worked in a KTM shop, the 'shop deals' offered by them for the stores race efforts, was far better on a 4t. In Australia, the 2ts are often more expensive than the equivalent capacity 4t eg: a 350 EXC-F is $14295 rrp, a 300 EXC TPI is $14695 rrp. A bloody TPI 2t, is still cheaper to make than a 4t. And, a SX250 2t, I think is more expensive than and SXF 250 here. Though, that may be just down to how KTM Australia bleeds Orange owners for all they can.......
Sherco / TM / Beta - well, they are not allowed to race in the US premier series, at all - be they 2t or 4t.
So yes, back to your point, you'd see the vast, vast majority of Privateer Riders and Teams, and , of course, the Factory Teams, on Four Strokes, still.
But, that there would be far less 2ts than 4ts out there, is not a valid reason to not let them be out there, with the same capacity limits as 4ts, in their classes.
125 class, 250 class, and, a 450 class. As despite my being a 500 2t owner, I don't think old 500 engines in later model chassis should be out there in highest level racing, and I certainly don't think a bloody 2t should have a capacity advantage given to them. I'd love to see a modern, up to 450 be developed, though, I doubt it will ever happen.
For Zod's sake DC, (and Luongo The Drongo) these piss poor, pathetic sheltered workshop / handicap class racing rules, need to be done away with. They should have been jettisoned a decade and a half ago.
I definitely fit one of your mentioned criteria’s (slow).
Putting it in to context, back in 04/ 05 I was approached by TMUK - think it was around £12k a year for three bikes (85’s) and to pit out of the ‘factory’ rig at nationals.
Yeah, it’s TM but those bikes were awesome looking back then when their new 85 come out, but I was in no way shape or form worthy of such a ride.
But as you said, it’s the slow rich kids that make it over here in Europe. Very few average guys make the cut and even fewer in the UK.
Post a reply to: Hey DC, it's time for some changes, this is not the 2000's or 1988.