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TeamGreen 11/19/2020 4:13pm
11/19/2020 4:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/19/2020 5:07pm
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

Falcon wrote:
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own...
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own roadrace and MX tracks. You would be surprised at how little they rely on racing to do R&D. (It may serve as a final test, but they are not using the GPs or AMA races to design new bikes. Any "testing' going on at the races is mostly for the teams themselves.)

You are correct that Suzuki in America is completely at the mercy of SMC in Japan. Those are the guys who are responsible for the development or non-development of MX motorcycles. The "R&D" department in the USA only serves to send Japan suggested settings for the North American market. (And they don't exist anymore, anyway.)
This post is entirely too legit,, too objective and has waaaaay too much "real" info.

You are on a time out from the internet.

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Lightning78 11/19/2020 4:21pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
What's so funny about this is that the RMX-Z engine bolted into the RMZ frame fixes the Electric Start problem (Same cases/basic design).

Lightning78 wrote:
How much more weight would you want to add to that RMZ450 platform though? Re-Start on that bike done with RMX cases would surely add 10+...
How much more weight would you want to add to that RMZ450 platform though? Re-Start on that bike done with RMX cases would surely add 10+ lbs to what is the heaviest bike in the class or close to it.
TeamGreen wrote:
Lightweight Battery Delete Kick-starter & it's internals. Voila... They could make a Rt side case with no kick-start area... That bikes "extra-weight" is a non-issue on...
Lightweight Battery
Delete Kick-starter & it's internals.
Voila...

They could make a Rt side case with no kick-start area...

That bikes "extra-weight" is a non-issue on the track or trail. Been there, done that.

Besides, they could make a few easy changes to all that cumbersome hardware/brackets/fasteners under the tank-area and save some weight. Put a lighter exhaust system on it...by simply using some of the materials like they do on the GSXR...

Well. anyways, my point is this: It's an EXCELLENT bike for Track and Trail. Get an E-Start on there and make a few slight changes and it's gonna do Suzuki well. Myself, I'd add an IMS tank for those off-road days, a pipe with S/A ability, Skid-plate...and I'd be happy with my Do-All-Dirt-Bike.
Hey buddy .... you dont need to sell me on how good the bike is, I feel a lot of shootouts are popularity contests.
E-start is noice but even if I got used to it, it would never cross my mind to think less of a bike that was kickstart only. Other than that ......the bike has the latest and greatest showa "a-kit" style forks and while I dont Have any experience riding the BFRC shock, it doesnt strike me a horrendous as the TAC forks were, Suzuki Just missed the mark with their suspension settings from the factory. Now with the wifi tuning tool, the engine should be tunable to have better charistics possible making the bike better performing as power has an effect on chassis
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numbers 11/19/2020 4:31pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
So even if the guys at Suzuki Motor USA wanted to wick things up and get back in the game, aren't they still at the mercy...
So even if the guys at Suzuki Motor USA wanted to wick things up and get back in the game, aren't they still at the mercy of the mothership in Japan as far as a product goes? Is there anyone in Japan actually working on updating the platform for motocross and off-road bikes? They have no MXGP teams, no MX2 teams, no All Japan National teams, no off-road teams worldwide, and they just jettisoned their "factory" MX/SX team in the US. If they're not racing, where is the R&D coming from?
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
Both local dealers sold out of all models this year

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Jonesboys819_828 11/19/2020 8:07pm
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Alex.434 wrote:
[img]https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2019/10/01/Photos/NS/MW-HS426_Screen_20191001143501_NS.png[/img] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-in-america-and-california-doesnt-even-crack-the-top-10-2019-10-02


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-…

Tell this to Yamaha, and 500+ other major corporations that rolled out of town.
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outerlimits 11/19/2020 9:12pm
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I wonder how well Suzuki Marine is actually doing. I live near the coast and easily see 20 Yamaha or Honda outboards to maybe every 1 Suzuki. Down in Mexico you'll typically see 80% Yamaha and very rarely see a Suzuki. Not saying they are bad, I'm sure they're good engines, but who is buying them?
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PlainEnvelopes 11/19/2020 9:36pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
Flatliner wrote:
Both local dealers sold out of all models this year

That is because everything else was already sold out.

Personally in this current era I would never purchase RMZ, if you pull out of professional racing and are not giving back to the sport. I do not want to support your brand. I would rather spend the extra money and give it to a manufacture that is spending money in the sport. It is very hard for this sport to keep sponsors so when an OEM just pulls out of racing that is a bad sign.
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burn1986 11/19/2020 10:01pm
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Suzuki restructuring is like a rider in the first stages of a WADA violation. He’s all positive that he will ride it out and appeal, but he doesn’t realize it’s a virtual deathblow to his career. Dead man walking.

Why restructure in California? I guess they’re not worried about operating costs, or costs of living.
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usp4u 11/19/2020 10:10pm
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Alex.434 wrote:
[img]https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2019/10/01/Photos/NS/MW-HS426_Screen_20191001143501_NS.png[/img] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-in-america-and-california-doesnt-even-crack-the-top-10-2019-10-02


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-…

That is unbelievably incorrect.

I've managed a business in CA and now own a business in PA.

In PA I also employ a previous CA business owner who sold and fled due to the taxation he was experiencing.

Btw, using Marketwatch + Kiplinger is like using MSNBC data reported by CNN. So......
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Alex.434 11/19/2020 10:56pm
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Alex.434 wrote:
[img]https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2019/10/01/Photos/NS/MW-HS426_Screen_20191001143501_NS.png[/img] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-in-america-and-california-doesnt-even-crack-the-top-10-2019-10-02


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-the-least-tax-friendly-state-…

usp4u wrote:
That is unbelievably incorrect. I've managed a business in CA and now own a business in PA. In PA I also employ a previous CA business...
That is unbelievably incorrect.

I've managed a business in CA and now own a business in PA.

In PA I also employ a previous CA business owner who sold and fled due to the taxation he was experiencing.

Btw, using Marketwatch + Kiplinger is like using MSNBC data reported by CNN. So......
You're free to share your own data / link. I'm a business owner also, in California, and doing just fine.

You know when companies 'flee' California it's also because the states they are going to offer up massive tax breaks and incentives right? (ie: free money / handouts). Corporations don't give a rats ass about you or the community. They care about bottom line profit and free money / tax breaks = CHACHING!

Funny how everyone is a fucking patriot until they are asked to contribute to their country. How do the police and fire departments get paid? BY TAXES!

To be fair, the link/map I posted is in regards to the tax rates for the average middle class family / income. I mainly shared it because I love watching heads explode around how Commiefornia is ruining the world. Hey don't let facts and data get in the way of a good narrative or a few anecdotes though!
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RalphS 11/19/2020 11:27pm
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Alex.434 wrote:
You're free to share your own data / link. I'm a business owner also, in California, and doing just fine. You know when companies 'flee' California...
You're free to share your own data / link. I'm a business owner also, in California, and doing just fine.

You know when companies 'flee' California it's also because the states they are going to offer up massive tax breaks and incentives right? (ie: free money / handouts). Corporations don't give a rats ass about you or the community. They care about bottom line profit and free money / tax breaks = CHACHING!

Funny how everyone is a fucking patriot until they are asked to contribute to their country. How do the police and fire departments get paid? BY TAXES!

To be fair, the link/map I posted is in regards to the tax rates for the average middle class family / income. I mainly shared it because I love watching heads explode around how Commiefornia is ruining the world. Hey don't let facts and data get in the way of a good narrative or a few anecdotes though!
When you can't be competitive enough, blame taxes and ask the government for help then say you love your country and the government is bad.

California is the 5th largest economy in the world, but they will rather hear complacent lies and idiotic narratives.

It's an irony how CA has so many leeches inside and so many critics in the US but still manages to be the most covered state in the world.

Ffs moto companies and so many others can leave, CA doesn't care. They're busy enough with other industries as tech, food, entertainment, transportation, military, ports, tourism you name it and as a matter of fact, it is good to have other states do better. And I'm not a CA fanboi, I just happen to live here and fyi I'd happily move elsewhere.

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Peanut M&Ms 11/19/2020 11:50pm
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

Falcon wrote:
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own...
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own roadrace and MX tracks. You would be surprised at how little they rely on racing to do R&D. (It may serve as a final test, but they are not using the GPs or AMA races to design new bikes. Any "testing' going on at the races is mostly for the teams themselves.)

You are correct that Suzuki in America is completely at the mercy of SMC in Japan. Those are the guys who are responsible for the development or non-development of MX motorcycles. The "R&D" department in the USA only serves to send Japan suggested settings for the North American market. (And they don't exist anymore, anyway.)
From my knowledge, all 4 and 2 wheel series feed back data to the R&D sections (which in Suzuki's case is now at Miyakodachou... completely unrelated news).. whether they are allocated a budget to develop bikes on the data received is a completely different story though...

I am not sure who is Test riding at Suzuki anymore (I will ask one of the formed test riders tomorrow)

HRC are probabaly happy they distanced themselves from MX here too... as their "golden boy" Narita got arrested recently for domestic violence

and with everything going on this year... budgets have been slashed for all 4 manufacturers... from what I have heard (all second hand) it is Yamaha who have had the biggest cuts but it is too early to tell how this will effect development in the long run






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CPR 11/20/2020 1:40am
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
Because most riders think they’re better than they really are, and think they need more bike than they really do.
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Huckster 11/20/2020 4:19am
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GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
CPR wrote:
Because most riders think they’re better than they really are, and think they need more bike than they really do.
I have a 2018 RMZ450. I am a vet B rider that puts maybe 20hrs on a bike/yr. for me, this is hands down the best bike I have owned. It is bullet proof and I have never been more comfortable riding a dirt bike. I am coming off of FC 350 and 450 and before that KTM FE 450 and 350 all with CV forks. I also had the opportunity to put 4-5 hrs on a 2020 yz450. I could never get as comfortable on them as I am on The RMZ. Yes I would like a magic button but it’s really not that big of a deal.
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UpTiTe 11/20/2020 4:25am
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I heard about this a while ago. Financially,Suzuki is fine, they are restructuring because they are in trouble elsewhere and don’t want that effecting the other parts of the company.

Think law suits.
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GrapeApe 11/20/2020 5:04am
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

Falcon wrote:
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own...
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own roadrace and MX tracks. You would be surprised at how little they rely on racing to do R&D. (It may serve as a final test, but they are not using the GPs or AMA races to design new bikes. Any "testing' going on at the races is mostly for the teams themselves.)

You are correct that Suzuki in America is completely at the mercy of SMC in Japan. Those are the guys who are responsible for the development or non-development of MX motorcycles. The "R&D" department in the USA only serves to send Japan suggested settings for the North American market. (And they don't exist anymore, anyway.)
I know they have a test facility in Japan, my question is to what extent do they use it? I'm picturing an overgrown MX track sitting next to a heavily used road course.

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GrapeApe 11/20/2020 5:12am
11/20/2020 5:12am Edited Date/Time 11/20/2020 5:14am
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
So when you say "updating" you mean adding electric start.

You guys need to realize the bikes have been updated plenty.
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
Where have I said anything about the capability of the RMZ? It is good bike, great for some. But for whatever reason it doesn't sell, and if they can't find a way to sell them they are eventually going to stop trying.

The only "hate" here is I hate that Suzuki MX/off-road is fading away. The sport is better with yellow bikes involved.
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GrapeApe 11/20/2020 5:16am
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GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

Falcon wrote:
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own...
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own roadrace and MX tracks. You would be surprised at how little they rely on racing to do R&D. (It may serve as a final test, but they are not using the GPs or AMA races to design new bikes. Any "testing' going on at the races is mostly for the teams themselves.)

You are correct that Suzuki in America is completely at the mercy of SMC in Japan. Those are the guys who are responsible for the development or non-development of MX motorcycles. The "R&D" department in the USA only serves to send Japan suggested settings for the North American market. (And they don't exist anymore, anyway.)
TeamGreen wrote:
This post is entirely too legit,, too objective and has waaaaay too much "real" info.

You are on a time out from the internet.

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Finally don’t need to hear how “Suzuki does a few billion in sales every year, they are fine”. Not their Motorcycle division...
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GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
Flatliner wrote:
Both local dealers sold out of all models this year

A local dealer here in Michigan sold out of all dirt bikes except the 2 2018 Suzuki’s they still had on the floor.
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numbers wrote:
For the everyday weekend rider the RMZ is all you need. Don't see why all the hate.
CPR wrote:
Because most riders think they’re better than they really are, and think they need more bike than they really do.
Huckster wrote:
I have a 2018 RMZ450. I am a vet B rider that puts maybe 20hrs on a bike/yr. for me, this is hands down the best...
I have a 2018 RMZ450. I am a vet B rider that puts maybe 20hrs on a bike/yr. for me, this is hands down the best bike I have owned. It is bullet proof and I have never been more comfortable riding a dirt bike. I am coming off of FC 350 and 450 and before that KTM FE 450 and 350 all with CV forks. I also had the opportunity to put 4-5 hrs on a 2020 yz450. I could never get as comfortable on them as I am on The RMZ. Yes I would like a magic button but it’s really not that big of a deal.
Not a bad bike at all. I rode one this summer and feel I could be very competitive on it. Just really hard for me to give up what I currently race.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Less red tape in the corporate world is never a bad thing. Do I think the boat bro’s were questioning SX/MX team expenses? Probably not.... but...
Less red tape in the corporate world is never a bad thing. Do I think the boat bro’s were questioning SX/MX team expenses? Probably not.... but if they were this should help.
GrapeApe wrote:
Boat bro's felt they were dragging an anchor

This sounds similar to the re-structuring Kawasaki announced recently.
Yep!

Corporate divides happen because one side is tired of carrying the other!
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For no reason at all Suzuki takes an ass whoopin here on vital for being overweight, outdated, slow, and no e-start and taking a SWAG at it, it mostly from people that weigh more than the bike, people that change all the parts on an updated bike anyway, people that believe they are faster than what they are and people that probably could use the extra kicks in a days workout anyway. A stock 450 of any color is more than what any weekend warrior “NEEDS” (myself included) so I don’t see the hate for any brand. Pick your color and go. I’ve had all the Jap brands and migrated to Kawi as they fit me and my riding style, but the best handling and stock suspended 450 I ever owned was a 06 RMZ 450. Favorite 450’s were my 04 Honda and 09 Yamaha aside from my 16 Kawi after I put spring forks on it.

Wish Suzuki MC/ATVs well. We need them and their history still in the sport.
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hypermoto 11/20/2020 6:16am
11/20/2020 6:16am Edited Date/Time 11/20/2020 6:17am
What’s hilarious, is that for YEARS this crowd talked shit on E-Start as KTM was the only bike with it. Constant shitting on KTM’s. Then the Japanese adopt it, and boom. It’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Suzuki sucks because it doesn’t have it. Etc.

Crazy how that works. We are about 1 year away from the big complaint being no Hydro clutch on the Suzuki, another thing everyone was shitting on KTM and exotic brands for, for years. “Just has no feel” “numb clutch”. Now Japanese bikes are getting them, and it’s gonna be the cats ass as well.
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resetjet 11/20/2020 6:36am
11/20/2020 6:36am
Chop it off and wind it down....
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jamiechapman418 11/20/2020 6:39am
11/20/2020 6:39am
hypermoto wrote:
What’s hilarious, is that for YEARS this crowd talked shit on E-Start as KTM was the only bike with it. Constant shitting on KTM’s. Then the...
What’s hilarious, is that for YEARS this crowd talked shit on E-Start as KTM was the only bike with it. Constant shitting on KTM’s. Then the Japanese adopt it, and boom. It’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Suzuki sucks because it doesn’t have it. Etc.

Crazy how that works. We are about 1 year away from the big complaint being no Hydro clutch on the Suzuki, another thing everyone was shitting on KTM and exotic brands for, for years. “Just has no feel” “numb clutch”. Now Japanese bikes are getting them, and it’s gonna be the cats ass as well.
I also find it funny how Roczen won a 450 outdoor championship in 2016 on the "old" RMZ. 5 years ago. Since then, the only bike to do it has been Tomac on the Kawi 3 times and now Osborne on Husky. How quickly we forget. I am pro-dirt bike, any color, and am fortunate enough to own and ride one of whatever I please. Suzuki gets a lot of hate here yet everytime the name is in a forum post title it goes on for pages and pages and is always one of the more popular posts. A brand with that much passion around it deserves more than what most people here offer it.
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malachi177 11/20/2020 7:28am
11/20/2020 7:28am
outerlimits wrote:
I wonder how well Suzuki Marine is actually doing. I live near the coast and easily see 20 Yamaha or Honda outboards to maybe every 1...
I wonder how well Suzuki Marine is actually doing. I live near the coast and easily see 20 Yamaha or Honda outboards to maybe every 1 Suzuki. Down in Mexico you'll typically see 80% Yamaha and very rarely see a Suzuki. Not saying they are bad, I'm sure they're good engines, but who is buying them?
I live on an island and I’d say at least half of the boats in the marinas are Suzuki powered. Its actually a sea of black cause the new Mercs are everywhere now too. Yamaha somewhat, Honda Is non existant really. I have a ‘17 Suzuki outboard. Its awesome.
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mattyhamz2 11/20/2020 7:38am
11/20/2020 7:38am
brocster wrote:
For no reason at all Suzuki takes an ass whoopin here on vital for being overweight, outdated, slow, and no e-start and taking a SWAG at...
For no reason at all Suzuki takes an ass whoopin here on vital for being overweight, outdated, slow, and no e-start and taking a SWAG at it, it mostly from people that weigh more than the bike, people that change all the parts on an updated bike anyway, people that believe they are faster than what they are and people that probably could use the extra kicks in a days workout anyway. A stock 450 of any color is more than what any weekend warrior “NEEDS” (myself included) so I don’t see the hate for any brand. Pick your color and go. I’ve had all the Jap brands and migrated to Kawi as they fit me and my riding style, but the best handling and stock suspended 450 I ever owned was a 06 RMZ 450. Favorite 450’s were my 04 Honda and 09 Yamaha aside from my 16 Kawi after I put spring forks on it.

Wish Suzuki MC/ATVs well. We need them and their history still in the sport.
Bam! The first part says it all. One dude that either never rode the bike or rode a buddies and needed to justify his own color purchase ran his mouth and a ton of people got behind it. It makes no sense to me. I almost fell into it until I rode one. Then I rode it more and got to see everything an RMZ450 offers. It is a great bike! Now, I didn’t pay for the RMZ I’m riding, kinda inherited a brand new RMZ in a way I’d rather not discuss( I’d rather my friend still be here), so I have no loyalty and no reason to justify why I’m on the color that I’m riding.

I have let a few people throw their leg over my bike and not one person has ever got off the bike and said they hated it. They’ve all loved it. A few were guys that had that skewed view because of things they had read on vital and other social media platforms. It’s plenty of bike and plenty good enough for 99.7% of people in this world, even in stock form.
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Falcon 11/20/2020 8:33am
11/20/2020 8:33am
GrapeApe wrote:
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS...
Yeah man, they're doing great. I think they should just keep on doing what they're doing. 7th place in sales is a solid top 10 (GASGAS probably pre-sold more bikes that Suzuki had sales in 2020).

I know you're one of the 2 or 3 fanboys on this forum, well, 4 if you include the fictional character TYLER, but even you have to look at the totality of the situation and see the writing on the wall.

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To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own...
To answer your original question, Suzuki does most of its R&D in-house. They have a test facility at Ryuyo, near Hamamatsu, Japan which has its own roadrace and MX tracks. You would be surprised at how little they rely on racing to do R&D. (It may serve as a final test, but they are not using the GPs or AMA races to design new bikes. Any "testing' going on at the races is mostly for the teams themselves.)

You are correct that Suzuki in America is completely at the mercy of SMC in Japan. Those are the guys who are responsible for the development or non-development of MX motorcycles. The "R&D" department in the USA only serves to send Japan suggested settings for the North American market. (And they don't exist anymore, anyway.)
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From my knowledge, all 4 and 2 wheel series feed back data to the R&D sections (which in Suzuki's case is now at Miyakodachou... completely unrelated...
From my knowledge, all 4 and 2 wheel series feed back data to the R&D sections (which in Suzuki's case is now at Miyakodachou... completely unrelated news).. whether they are allocated a budget to develop bikes on the data received is a completely different story though...

I am not sure who is Test riding at Suzuki anymore (I will ask one of the formed test riders tomorrow)

HRC are probabaly happy they distanced themselves from MX here too... as their "golden boy" Narita got arrested recently for domestic violence

and with everything going on this year... budgets have been slashed for all 4 manufacturers... from what I have heard (all second hand) it is Yamaha who have had the biggest cuts but it is too early to tell how this will effect development in the long run






I think you are right; that the R&D budget is probably what is keeping the RM-Z guys from making larger changes.

I have a feeling that many people on here think that JGR or the Yoshimura Suzuki "Factory" race team in America before that was sending blueprints for the new models to Japan, so those guys could say, "OK" and just build what they ask. The truth is that Suzuki MX motorcycles are designed and built by SMC in Japan, not by the race teams in America, Europe, or any place other than Japan. Of course, the engineers will take feedback.

Peanut M&Ms, what city do you work in? Miyakoda is still near Hamamatsu, correct?
UpTiTe 11/20/2020 9:10am
11/20/2020 9:10am
hypermoto wrote:
Finally don’t need to hear how “Suzuki does a few billion in sales every year, they are fine”. Not their Motorcycle division...
World wide their motorcycle division is just fine.

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