Silly Season...

tek14 wrote:

Somehow motor sounds lazy but guys are taking it easy i guess. Just opposite what we have seen with Barcia on his Yamaha. Lets hope they...

Somehow motor sounds lazy but guys are taking it easy i guess. Just opposite what we have seen with Barcia on his Yamaha. Lets hope they are both stay healthy until SX starts.

ML512 wrote:

Max Vohland will be the only US factory KTM 250 SX-F...look for Drake to be on a existing team but that is new to the pro...

Max Vohland will be the only US factory KTM 250 SX-F...look for Drake to be on a existing team but that is new to the pro ranks for 2021.

redrider_714 wrote:

BarX Suzuki??

romain524 wrote:

I heard this too

visser62 wrote:

So excited for Jo. I've been waiting so long to see a Japanese rider that can potentially contend for wins (I wasn't around to see Watanabe...

So excited for Jo. I've been waiting so long to see a Japanese rider that can potentially contend for wins (I wasn't around to see Watanabe in the GPs). I see no reason Jo can't be a podium contender on PC.

Mavetism wrote:

First of all Shimoda looks fucking smooth. He might not showed the flashy speed of Jett Lawrence, but he always seemed to be in control. Definitely...

First of all Shimoda looks fucking smooth. He might not showed the flashy speed of Jett Lawrence, but he always seemed to be in control. Definitely a great rookie year. To me it looked like that he was overall more comfortable in SX than in MX. I think it will be just a matter of time when we see Shimoda leaving his comfort zone to battle with these guys up front. So yea, I'm excited aswell!

2stroketango wrote:

On the most recent PulpMX show Matthes stated there was a shoot-out for an additional 250 seat at PC and rumor is Shimoda got it.

Bidirella wrote:

Masterpool would be a good fit for Steve Dixons DRT Kawasaki team MX2 GP. Good bike and team and they didn’t have a solid rider since...

Masterpool would be a good fit for Steve Dixons DRT Kawasaki team MX2 GP.

Good bike and team and they didn’t have a solid rider since Anstie left there.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

View this post on Instagram It’s been a big week for AJE Motorsports/Motul and the good news continues. We have completed our roster for the 2021...

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It’s been a big week for AJE Motorsports/Motul and the good news continues. We have completed our roster for the 2021 SX season with the signing of @_derekkelley . Derek is a young rider with lots of heart and his dedication to this sport is unrivaled. We are all excited to start working together and get this 2021 season underway. 🔥🏁🔥 @aje.motorsports @motul @motulusa @gasgasusa @twisteddevelopmentracing @trufusionsports @rekluse_motorsports @acerbisusa @overstockvehicles @mayhemwheels @ridedunlop @alteredind @alpinestars @dubyausa @rockwellwatches @kdeam_optics @cometicgasket @p3carbon @dt1filtersusa @motionpro @fmfracing @engineice @worksconnection @mikametals @wisecopistoninc @webcamshafts @guts_racing_inc @nihiloconcepts @teamcoopertire @_xtrig_ @specbolt @renegadefuel @ogio @agmx_graphics @riskracingmoto @racetechinc

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Bidirella wrote:

Masterpool would be a good fit for Steve Dixons DRT Kawasaki team MX2 GP. Good bike and team and they didn’t have a solid rider since...

Masterpool would be a good fit for Steve Dixons DRT Kawasaki team MX2 GP.

Good bike and team and they didn’t have a solid rider since Anstie left there.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

View this post on Instagram It’s been a big week for AJE Motorsports/Motul and the good news continues. We have completed our roster for the 2021...

View this post on Instagram

It’s been a big week for AJE Motorsports/Motul and the good news continues. We have completed our roster for the 2021 SX season with the signing of @_derekkelley . Derek is a young rider with lots of heart and his dedication to this sport is unrivaled. We are all excited to start working together and get this 2021 season underway. 🔥🏁🔥 @aje.motorsports @motul @motulusa @gasgasusa @twisteddevelopmentracing @trufusionsports @rekluse_motorsports @acerbisusa @overstockvehicles @mayhemwheels @ridedunlop @alteredind @alpinestars @dubyausa @rockwellwatches @kdeam_optics @cometicgasket @p3carbon @dt1filtersusa @motionpro @fmfracing @engineice @worksconnection @mikametals @wisecopistoninc @webcamshafts @guts_racing_inc @nihiloconcepts @teamcoopertire @_xtrig_ @specbolt @renegadefuel @ogio @agmx_graphics @riskracingmoto @racetechinc

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CPR wrote:

Excuse my ignorance, but who’s Derek Kelly?

-MAVERICK- wrote:

^^^ Saw that earlier. It's nice to see guys not holding any grudges and moving on.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

^^^ Saw that earlier. It's nice to see guys not holding any grudges and moving on.

shuggs wrote:

Why would there be a grudge?? From what I read DF gave props to JMart for pushing him and JMart acknowledged DF was the guy to...

Why would there be a grudge??

From what I read DF gave props to JMart for pushing him and JMart acknowledged DF was the guy to beat.

tek14 wrote:

So Masterpool is without ride..wow

Motofinne wrote:

Sounded like he will stay with HEP in 2021 in Matthes Lakewood post race podcast

FerCzD wrote:

HEP should change suspension supplier. Öhlins doesn't seem to have too much SX experience.

tek14 wrote:

There was lot of talk Suzuki Factory team coming back to MXGP next year... but nothing will come out. Only Suzuki i have seen at GPs...

There was lot of talk Suzuki Factory team coming back to MXGP next year... but nothing will come out. Only Suzuki i have seen at GPs was old RM250 2-stroke in emx250 2-t.

Bearuno wrote:

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250. Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place...

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250.

Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place, and his overall standings dinged a bit by 1 non finish. So currently 7th, with, I think, 1 round to go?????

Motocross success, thankfully is still, and will always be, heavily weighted to rider ability, over the bike, but, when you see how competitive a 2005 model bike, in the Yamahas (and now the 'Fantic' 125) with the barest (biggest being the forks [and shock?] in 2006) changes over 15 years, and the Canadians Suzuki (I don't know when the last 'generation' of the RM250 came to be, but I did see them on showroom floors into the 2010s here in OZ) , going up against current model KTM / KTHuskies / KTGeeGees, it does make one wonder about the amount of genuine 'progress' in bike design. Who'd even contemplate running a 2005 model 250F competitively against todays 250Fs at high levels of racing ..........?

tek14 wrote:

There was lot of talk Suzuki Factory team coming back to MXGP next year... but nothing will come out. Only Suzuki i have seen at GPs...

There was lot of talk Suzuki Factory team coming back to MXGP next year... but nothing will come out. Only Suzuki i have seen at GPs was old RM250 2-stroke in emx250 2-t.

Bearuno wrote:

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250. Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place...

That was Kade Tinkler-Walker, a Canadian, on the RM250.

Always in the top 10 each Moto, mostly within the top 6, with 1 x 2nd place, and his overall standings dinged a bit by 1 non finish. So currently 7th, with, I think, 1 round to go?????

Motocross success, thankfully is still, and will always be, heavily weighted to rider ability, over the bike, but, when you see how competitive a 2005 model bike, in the Yamahas (and now the 'Fantic' 125) with the barest (biggest being the forks [and shock?] in 2006) changes over 15 years, and the Canadians Suzuki (I don't know when the last 'generation' of the RM250 came to be, but I did see them on showroom floors into the 2010s here in OZ) , going up against current model KTM / KTHuskies / KTGeeGees, it does make one wonder about the amount of genuine 'progress' in bike design. Who'd even contemplate running a 2005 model 250F competitively against todays 250Fs at high levels of racing ..........?

Lightning78 wrote:

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of...

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of the modern 4 stroke mx bikes. Even at first, the only thing that gave the 4 stroke a slight edge over its 2 stroke competition was giving then double the displacement as they ate valves and were poorly aspirated by carburetor.
The last great suspension leap was the KYB SSS suspension which was released on the last gen
YZ 2 strokes as well as the the still new 4 strokes andbits still the best stuff today.
We took a huge step backwards with air forks and SFF forks and it took showa nearly 15 years to catch up to KYB.
The perimeter framed aluminum chassis has only changed in terms rigidity and Honda had that down on its last gen CR 2 strokes. The only difference is redesigning them to produce a new model bike in aesthetics.
Seats have gotten flat and mufflers are fully exposed.
I dont consider EFI or electric start to be "Genuine Progress" they were more of a means to fix the downsides of the 4 strokes and that was only a matter of time in addition to adding 15-20lbs to the bikes.
Bikes have mostly gotten heavier but far easier to ride fast so you can call that progress.
I feel that 4 strokes were a step back placed in what's still the standard for mx chassis design and the powerplant was gradually improved to meet the performance of the chassis already designed during the 2 stroke era.
My 2003 KX250 may be slightly behind the 2021 models but in the hands of a capable rider, at the local level it's not at the disadvantage of a bike made in the 90's and Jimmy Albertson hauls ass on his 98 CR250 right?

Lightning78 wrote:

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of...

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of the modern 4 stroke mx bikes. Even at first, the only thing that gave the 4 stroke a slight edge over its 2 stroke competition was giving then double the displacement as they ate valves and were poorly aspirated by carburetor.
The last great suspension leap was the KYB SSS suspension which was released on the last gen
YZ 2 strokes as well as the the still new 4 strokes andbits still the best stuff today.
We took a huge step backwards with air forks and SFF forks and it took showa nearly 15 years to catch up to KYB.
The perimeter framed aluminum chassis has only changed in terms rigidity and Honda had that down on its last gen CR 2 strokes. The only difference is redesigning them to produce a new model bike in aesthetics.
Seats have gotten flat and mufflers are fully exposed.
I dont consider EFI or electric start to be "Genuine Progress" they were more of a means to fix the downsides of the 4 strokes and that was only a matter of time in addition to adding 15-20lbs to the bikes.
Bikes have mostly gotten heavier but far easier to ride fast so you can call that progress.
I feel that 4 strokes were a step back placed in what's still the standard for mx chassis design and the powerplant was gradually improved to meet the performance of the chassis already designed during the 2 stroke era.
My 2003 KX250 may be slightly behind the 2021 models but in the hands of a capable rider, at the local level it's not at the disadvantage of a bike made in the 90's and Jimmy Albertson hauls ass on his 98 CR250 right?

Conkey wrote:

Why would anyone here in the States hire Jesse for SX if he isn’t qualified to race it? Did they change the rules?

kwhite199 wrote:

Any updates on JGR? I see that the link "Race Team" on their website goes to the pic listed. That doesn't look promising. 😒 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/11/10/458385/s1200_JGRMX.jpg[/img]

Any updates on JGR? I see that the link "Race Team" on their website goes to the pic listed. That doesn't look promising. 😒

Lightning78 wrote:

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of...

"Genuine Progress" ..... in my opinion theres be hardly any progress made on bikes other than "fixing" the inherent flaws of the first few generations of the modern 4 stroke mx bikes. Even at first, the only thing that gave the 4 stroke a slight edge over its 2 stroke competition was giving then double the displacement as they ate valves and were poorly aspirated by carburetor.
The last great suspension leap was the KYB SSS suspension which was released on the last gen
YZ 2 strokes as well as the the still new 4 strokes andbits still the best stuff today.
We took a huge step backwards with air forks and SFF forks and it took showa nearly 15 years to catch up to KYB.
The perimeter framed aluminum chassis has only changed in terms rigidity and Honda had that down on its last gen CR 2 strokes. The only difference is redesigning them to produce a new model bike in aesthetics.
Seats have gotten flat and mufflers are fully exposed.
I dont consider EFI or electric start to be "Genuine Progress" they were more of a means to fix the downsides of the 4 strokes and that was only a matter of time in addition to adding 15-20lbs to the bikes.
Bikes have mostly gotten heavier but far easier to ride fast so you can call that progress.
I feel that 4 strokes were a step back placed in what's still the standard for mx chassis design and the powerplant was gradually improved to meet the performance of the chassis already designed during the 2 stroke era.
My 2003 KX250 may be slightly behind the 2021 models but in the hands of a capable rider, at the local level it's not at the disadvantage of a bike made in the 90's and Jimmy Albertson hauls ass on his 98 CR250 right?

Ray_MXS wrote:

Talk about seeing the glass as half empty