Would AJ's ride made a difference on Alta's outcome if 2 years ago?

gt80rider wrote:

First off... electric is not new tech... its old.. super old... Tesla (the real one) was doing it back just after the turn of the 1900s...

First off... electric is not new tech... its old.. super old... Tesla (the real one) was doing it back just after the turn of the 1900s...

Secondly.. its no cleaner than gas......

Third.... gas engines are MUCH easier to ride... electric has too much torque down low, making for an odd (yet fast) feel... feels fast from a dead stop, but that isn't an advantage...

Electric is the way those that run the show, want things to go now.... nothing more, nothing less.. this isn't zero point energy here....

Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine got smoked by an Alta at Cahuilla this weekend. He's a solid Vet "A" rider on a 2020 YZ450F. Yeah, I'm interested...

A friend of mine got smoked by an Alta at Cahuilla this weekend. He's a solid Vet "A" rider on a 2020 YZ450F.
Yeah, I'm interested in electric bikes.

FLmxer wrote:

I posted AJ's video in the Electric section a few days ago. I got one of these yesterday and its tech is so amazing. All the...

I posted AJ's video in the Electric section a few days ago. I got one of these yesterday and its tech is so amazing. All the different power settings in a phone app. They even race these on mtb trails.

Skylebones wrote:

I'm honestly excited about electric bikes only because we've had so many local tracks close because of noise issues. If that fixes the problem and more...

I'm honestly excited about electric bikes only because we've had so many local tracks close because of noise issues. If that fixes the problem and more tracks stay open, sign me up!

Sawfish wrote:

They’ll complain about dust next. Even if there isn’t any. Or some endangered lizard.

gt80rider wrote:

First off... electric is not new tech... its old.. super old... Tesla (the real one) was doing it back just after the turn of the 1900s...

First off... electric is not new tech... its old.. super old... Tesla (the real one) was doing it back just after the turn of the 1900s...

Secondly.. its no cleaner than gas......

Third.... gas engines are MUCH easier to ride... electric has too much torque down low, making for an odd (yet fast) feel... feels fast from a dead stop, but that isn't an advantage...

Electric is the way those that run the show, want things to go now.... nothing more, nothing less.. this isn't zero point energy here....

Zoom wrote:

I was a Regional Manager for Alta and trust me HD was not the downfall of Alta. There was an agreement between Alta and HD for...

I was a Regional Manager for Alta and trust me HD was not the downfall of Alta.

There was an agreement between Alta and HD for Alta to build an entry level bike for Harley. The deal went sideways and the deal broke up. There was another OE that came into the picture and was interested in doing a 100% acquisition of Alta. We were pumped. It looked like a great deal.

After that OE saw the bleeding, they pulled the plug on the deal. Many investors were interested but the bleeding was too great at that point.

It was really hard for a high tech, start up, dirt bike company based in Silicon Valley to sell enough units to pay the bills. We were selling one product, a dirt bike. If that same dirt bike was branded as a Honda/Kawasaki/Yamaha and had ATV's, UTV's, street bikes, other dirt bikes, lawn mowers, generators etc. also being sold it would have worked.

I truly believe that if Alta could have made it to 2020, with the help of the pandemic and people getting outdoors more on trails and tracks with dirt bikes sales going through the roof, they would have made it.

I loved the bike, the company, the people and my job. No regrets. Well, one. Wish I would have kept at least one of my 5 demos!

flykay wrote:

Thanks for sharing that Zoom. Its sad that so many blame HD then. So your opinion is solely towards the tough challenge business wise,start up etc...

Thanks for sharing that Zoom. Its sad that so many blame HD then.
So your opinion is solely towards the tough challenge business wise,start up etc or where there also factors as location and being in California?

Zoom wrote:

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull. Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped...

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull.

Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped attract a group of engineers from Tesla that joined the team early to help create the battery.back.

The Alta battery was the secret sauce. It was the most powerful compact battery in transportation in the world.

flykay wrote:

Thanks for sharing that Zoom. Its sad that so many blame HD then. So your opinion is solely towards the tough challenge business wise,start up etc...

Thanks for sharing that Zoom. Its sad that so many blame HD then.
So your opinion is solely towards the tough challenge business wise,start up etc or where there also factors as location and being in California?

Zoom wrote:

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull. Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped...

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull.

Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped attract a group of engineers from Tesla that joined the team early to help create the battery.back.

The Alta battery was the secret sauce. It was the most powerful compact battery in transportation in the world.

DuroTools wrote:

Is it still the best battery or could a newer technology be made to make the bike lighter? If an e dirtbike could get under 240...

Is it still the best battery or could a newer technology be made to make the bike lighter? If an e dirtbike could get under 240 lbs I might buy one.

yz133rider wrote:

If Alta would have not gotten involved with hd they’d likely be around still.

Zoom wrote:

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull. Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped...

Harley was an easy target and had history with their partnership with Beull.

Yes, being based in Silicon Valley made it difficult, but it also helped attract a group of engineers from Tesla that joined the team early to help create the battery.back.

The Alta battery was the secret sauce. It was the most powerful compact battery in transportation in the world.

DuroTools wrote:

Is it still the best battery or could a newer technology be made to make the bike lighter? If an e dirtbike could get under 240...

Is it still the best battery or could a newer technology be made to make the bike lighter? If an e dirtbike could get under 240 lbs I might buy one.

Zoom wrote:

Alta did a test on rotating engine mass. The conclusion was that the rotating engine mass of a 450 4-stroke engine was equivalent to 50lbs. The...

Alta did a test on rotating engine mass.

The conclusion was that the rotating engine mass of a 450 4-stroke engine was equivalent to 50lbs.

The Alta had zero rotating engine mass. That's why it was so much fun to corner and lay over in a rut. Same reason a 125 is easier to rail ruts because it has a lot less rotating engine mass than a 450. The more rotating engine mass, the more a bike wants to stand up in a corner.

When a rider would ask me how much it ways before they did a demo ride, I would tell them to ride it then tell me what the weight felt like. Most said the weight felt like a 250. Not 250lbs, but like a 250F, which is close to 230lbs. An Alta was about 260.

Where the weight was noticed was when you had to put the bike on a stand or pick it up from a crash.