Malcolm Stewart to RedBull KTM?

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Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details? No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for...
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details?

No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for racing half the year
Freise doesn't ask for a shit ton of money, so there's that. And he is not expected to go for podiums or wins. He delivers to what he is contracted for.
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Boy vital just never changes. I had to check this thread to make sure it wasn’t from 2017. Malcom is good. Picking Shane over him even...
Boy vital just never changes. I had to check this thread to make sure it wasn’t from 2017.

Malcom is good. Picking Shane over him even hypothetically is idiotic
-MAVERICK- wrote:
What's idiotic is asking for a lot of money to race half the year and sit on the sidelines during summer to go fishing.
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details? No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for...
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details?

No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for racing half the year
Pretty sure they sit out half the year because their team is SX only.
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Roger De Coster is waiting for Big James to tell him which type of factory ECU he needs to get for Malcolm.

After that's all finalized, Big James will need reassurances about his role in the RedBull KTM decision making process.

Then it will all be signed.
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Looks like he’s prepping for a possible run with Team Tedder?
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
What's idiotic is asking for a lot of money to race half the year and sit on the sidelines during summer to go fishing.
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details? No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for...
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details?

No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for racing half the year
Pretty sure they sit out half the year because their team is SX only.
You mean the team Malcom was on the last two years? Ohhhhh
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Lol people hating Stewart for riding SX only while most riders opt out of the outdoor nationals anywaysGrinning for ‘injuries’
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mb60 wrote:
So besides Ferandis and Barcia who both seem signed already. Then who would you choose just curious ?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
JMart and McElrath.
Neither are moving up to 450, so, no bueno.

J Mart also said on Pulp even if he's not on a Geico bike, he'll still be looking for a 250 ride.
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The guy hasn't had a good season since 2016 and he also doesn't ride outdoors, I'm SURE RedBull KTM is practically beating the Stewart's door down with offers.
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Yeah no, for sure
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10/7/2020 7:45am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2020 7:46am
Buzzard167 wrote:
The guy hasn't had a good season since 2016 and he also doesn't ride outdoors, I'm SURE RedBull KTM is practically beating the Stewart's door down...
The guy hasn't had a good season since 2016 and he also doesn't ride outdoors, I'm SURE RedBull KTM is practically beating the Stewart's door down with offers.
You're right....his 2020 season was better than good. I do agree Red Bull isn't beating down his door though
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I think we can all agree that its a travesty we even need to have this conversation. Its crazy that a person in this sport at his level doesn't have a great ride. Everyone out there consistently getting into these main events should be supported and making good money.
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Has anyone considered RMATV KTM?
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It's been said before that Malcolm comes into any team situation, just like his brother James did...with baggage. His family, especially Big James has historically been deeply involved in whatever team their sons have ridden for. Maybe the teams consider this a liability. It could certainly effect who was willing to offer him a ride...and those who were not.
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I thought Malcolm said he would be willing to ride outdoors again? He's seen steady improvement in Supercross, the series that everyone Vital says is the most important series in the world, and he was in the top 10 almost every race this year. If you're a team that already has title contenders, why wouldn't you want him as a third guy?
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mb60 wrote:
So besides Ferandis and Barcia who both seem signed already. Then who would you choose just curious ?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
JMart and McElrath.
OT wrote:
Neither are moving up to 450, so, no bueno. J Mart also said on Pulp even if he's not on a Geico bike, he'll still be...
Neither are moving up to 450, so, no bueno.

J Mart also said on Pulp even if he's not on a Geico bike, he'll still be looking for a 250 ride.
Shane has to go 450 and J-Mart would lean towards a 250 ride but has had contact with at least one 450 effort that I know of about 2021.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
JMart and McElrath.
OT wrote:
Neither are moving up to 450, so, no bueno. J Mart also said on Pulp even if he's not on a Geico bike, he'll still be...
Neither are moving up to 450, so, no bueno.

J Mart also said on Pulp even if he's not on a Geico bike, he'll still be looking for a 250 ride.
ML512 wrote:
Shane has to go 450 and J-Mart would lean towards a 250 ride but has had contact with at least one 450 effort that I know...
Shane has to go 450 and J-Mart would lean towards a 250 ride but has had contact with at least one 450 effort that I know of about 2021.
Ah, cool! I think J Mart deffinitely wants to stay 250 if possible and get another #1 plate.
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10/7/2020 9:54am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2020 9:59am
agn5009 wrote:
I think we can all agree that its a travesty we even need to have this conversation. Its crazy that a person in this sport at...
I think we can all agree that its a travesty we even need to have this conversation. Its crazy that a person in this sport at his level doesn't have a great ride. Everyone out there consistently getting into these main events should be supported and making good money.
Just one page back on this thread you said " Malcom hasn't done anything on a 450" and now you're saying it's crazy that he doesn't have a great ride. I'm having a hard time following your logic.

I'm just shocked by comments like yours implying if the guy doesn't finish on the podium he hasn't done anything in the 450 class then spout off about how great of a level he's on and he deserves a great ride.

I definitely feel like anyone of those main event guys has done something in the 450 class. Malcom has done even more than make a main event. He's had top 5's in SX and he's even had a single moto podium finish in MX. I feel like he's done something.


I guess I'm just hung up on the fact that you think he hasn't done anything on a 450. I disagree with that point. I feel like he's done plenty to prove he has and you even say so yourself that he deserves a great ride. I'm just a little confused by you contradicting yourself.
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Mookie threads are always the most depressing thread on Vital because they always bring out the worst in people
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agn5009 wrote:
I think we can all agree that its a travesty we even need to have this conversation. Its crazy that a person in this sport at...
I think we can all agree that its a travesty we even need to have this conversation. Its crazy that a person in this sport at his level doesn't have a great ride. Everyone out there consistently getting into these main events should be supported and making good money.
stremme12 wrote:
Just one page back on this thread you said " Malcom hasn't done anything on a 450" and now you're saying it's crazy that he doesn't...
Just one page back on this thread you said " Malcom hasn't done anything on a 450" and now you're saying it's crazy that he doesn't have a great ride. I'm having a hard time following your logic.

I'm just shocked by comments like yours implying if the guy doesn't finish on the podium he hasn't done anything in the 450 class then spout off about how great of a level he's on and he deserves a great ride.

I definitely feel like anyone of those main event guys has done something in the 450 class. Malcom has done even more than make a main event. He's had top 5's in SX and he's even had a single moto podium finish in MX. I feel like he's done something.


I guess I'm just hung up on the fact that you think he hasn't done anything on a 450. I disagree with that point. I feel like he's done plenty to prove he has and you even say so yourself that he deserves a great ride. I'm just a little confused by you contradicting yourself.
I'm not contradicting myself. The reality of the situation is there's not many factory rides available. I believe it's insane that there's not more and that everyone consistently getting into the main isn't supported. I do not like that about this sport but again, its the reality of it.

I have made it clear I like Malcolm and wish him the best. I've also made it clear that I believe he's clearly fast enough and talented enough for a ride. However, if thats what he desires, he needs to go out and prove he wants it like others have in the past (remember Wilson and Barcia having to do exactly that?) Malcolm is NOT in the position to only be doing SX. Theres only a few who could do that and they each have 450 titles to their names. Thats why Reed, J. Stewart and McGrath could do it. I honestly have no issues with what Malcolm is doing as long as it makes him happy. And here's the thing, I dont see Malcolm complaining about it. I feel like he understands this and is perfectly fine with what he's doing which is awesome. Malcolm will more than likely find a great home for the SX season because of his insane abilities on a dirt bike and awesome personality. But, it won't be with team Red Bull KTM unless he agrees to do MX as well. And hey, he very well may do that. Hes said in the past he would like to do it.

Some of you guys get too butt hurt over this stuff. You take one small portion of a statement rather than reading into the entirety of what was said. Welcome to 2020 I suppose.
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Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details? No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for...
Since you’re clearly sitting at the negotiating table with Mookie care to share any other details?

No one seems to hate on Hill or Friese for racing half the year
Pretty sure they sit out half the year because their team is SX only.
You mean the team Malcom was on the last two years? Ohhhhh
Yes, the same Team and he screwed that up to. I love watching the guy and MotoConcepts seemed to be an amazing fit since they are SX only with great equipment. The reality is Malcolm appears to be on the same level as Barcia/Wilson/Anderson/Musquin and he showed that in SX this year when he put in the effort. What high level Team wants a guy doing SX only other than MotoConcepts and they only don't do outdoors because Tony and Mike are babies about the lasergate garbage. Malcolm should have figured out a way to stay there. He will end up on another "second tier" Team and never achieve what he could have....and that's OK. Just stop defending him like he's a victim.
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10/7/2020 10:39am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2020 10:39am
Actually, I think we care about this a lot more than Mookie. He'd rather be fishin'!
10/7/2020 10:52am
If I’m not mistaken, pretty sure Malcolm said he would ride outdoors.. That’s beside the point anyways’ and I’m also sure he could end up just about anywhere. (The research from some on here is outstanding ) My god!
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Sorry to bring some boring facts.. but who would not hire this guys:

MALCOLM STEWART
Haines City, FL United States
SmarTop/Bullfrog Spas/MotoConcepts Honda
450SX Class
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Malcolm Stewart - MX, SX, & MEC Race Results
Career Race Results
Position Race Class Date Bike
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 7 450SX June 21, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 6 450SX June 17, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 5 450SX June 14, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 4 450SX June 10, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 3 450SX June 7, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Salt Lake City 2 450SX June 3, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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Salt Lake City 1 450SX May 31, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Daytona 450SX March 7, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Atlanta 450SX February 29, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Arlington 450SX February 22, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Tampa 450SX February 15, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
San Diego 450SX February 8, 2020 Honda CRF450R
10
SUPERCROSS
Oakland 450SX February 1, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Glendale 450SX January 25, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
Anaheim 2 450SX January 18, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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SUPERCROSS
St. Louis 450SX January 11, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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Anaheim 1 450SX January 4, 2020 Honda CRF450R
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Monster Energy Cup Monster Energy Cup October 19, 2019 Honda CRF450R
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I agree that it would be nice to see more support for riders deeper in the field, I just dont see it happening though. For next season there will be 7 factory 450 teams with an average of 2 riders per team (some teams with 3 like husky and some not fielding 2 due to injury).

So, that is ~14 factory riders lined up on a 22 rider gate for SX. Then add in factory supported teams like RM/ATV/MC
and Moto Concepts and I'm counting between 18 and 20 decent 450 contracts. Off the top of my head,, I count about 22 guys that are capable of top 10 finishes and worthy of a decent 450 contract, but not all of these guys will end up with a high $$ contract for 21. In no particular order:
Tomac
AC
Roczen
Sexton
Webb
Musquin
Osborne
Anderson
Wilson
Barcia
Plessinger
Tickle
Ferrandis
Savatgy
Noren
Brayton
Hill
Friese
Stewart
Baggett
Bogle
Davalos

So there is definitely a gap there between deserving riders and the number of 450 rides available when you consider 250 guys like JMart and McElrath that are also worthy of a 450 contract.

So that leaves 3 to 5 spots open for privateer teams on the gate and maybe a few more later in the season after attrition. Those privateer teams are typically funded by smaller moto industry companies and/or team owners with a passion for the sport, not big dollar outside sponsors. Their expectations are more in line with making the mains and putting in a good showing when they do.

The problem lies with expectations amd return on investment. I dont think there is a factory rider out there, or a factory team or sponsor that is truly satisfied with a finish outside of the top 10. Factory riders running conistently outside the top 10 dont get much TV time for their sponsors unless they crash spectacularly or have some nickname or outside interest like knitting that Ralph can beat like a dead horse.

I dont think we are going to see more high dollar factory rides to fill up the last spots on the 450 SX gate (or mx gates outside the top 20) because a factory team is almost always going to want to spend their money to get the best 2 riders to contend for wins, podiums, and championships. More sponsorship dollars going to the factory teams also doesn't necessarily mean more riders as that additional money could be used on R&D, support staff, equipment, or nicer facilities.

And I don't think having every gate filled with factory riders is necessarily the best thing for the sport, as it could push out some of the privateer teams that may not have any chance of putting a bike in the main for SX.

What I would love to see is more sponsorship dollars going to those privateer teams, so they can afford some of these deserving riders that may be a step below a full factory ride. Growing the sport, attending races, and eyeballs on TV is the only way that will happen.

And as for Mookie, I agree that if he wants a top 450 contract, he's going to need to prove that he is committed to racing the nationals, and its going to take more than just saying he is willing. I would have loved to see Mookie take a one off deal on a smaller team or privateer effort this year. If he had done that, and gotten some results over the summer, I think he would be in a far better position to negotiate for a factory ride right now.
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Red Bull KTM is busy these days prepping for the next generation
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10/7/2020 12:00pm
Cortami79 wrote:
Lol people hating Stewart for riding SX only while most riders opt out of the outdoor nationals anywaysGrinning for ‘injuries’
Yeah Osborne, AC, Musquin, Tomac, Baggett, Barcia all opted out of the outdoors, eh?
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10/7/2020 12:05pm
ML512 wrote:
Shane has to go 450 and J-Mart would lean towards a 250 ride but has had contact with at least one 450 effort that I know...
Shane has to go 450 and J-Mart would lean towards a 250 ride but has had contact with at least one 450 effort that I know of about 2021.
Considering where he was yesterday, he's pandering to stay 250 for at least another year!
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10/7/2020 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2020 12:12pm
Buzzard167 wrote:
The guy hasn't had a good season since 2016 and he also doesn't ride outdoors, I'm SURE RedBull KTM is practically beating the Stewart's door down...
The guy hasn't had a good season since 2016 and he also doesn't ride outdoors, I'm SURE RedBull KTM is practically beating the Stewart's door down with offers.
Rdracer598 wrote:
You're right....his 2020 season was better than good. I do agree Red Bull isn't beating down his door though
If you wanna call 2020 a season..... but still, the guy has all year to practice solely for supercross and can barely crack the top 5 all “season”. Malcolm is an amazing rider no doubt but he most likely won’t be piloting a factory KTM anytime soon unless he really steps it up. Also, he needs to race OUTDOORS.
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The series is better with him in it, i don't give a shit what color he is on! He may not bring the results the Vital experts demand, but he brings the fans - which is a win for whatever team grabs him.... From what i understand, there are a few different color bikes at the Stewart compound, and how f-ing cool would it be to just decide to hop on an Orange one for the day? Or red, or yellow, or.....
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10/7/2020 12:21pm
Yeah Osborne, AC, Musquin, Tomac, Baggett, Barcia all opted out of the outdoors, eh?
Im sorry maybe I missed something but arent those dudes on teams that actually race outdoor races? What bike was Malcolm going to ride? MCR doesnt do outdoors and haven't you seen how financially/logistically draining it is on privateers to get to races? So comparing those riders to Stewart is apples to oranges.
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