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Who gets the protest money ???
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7/2/2020 9:32pm
The podcast with Shane did him no favors. Honest yes, but the stealing of the gate and fuel protest was just over the top.
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bestmx wrote:
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some...
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some really petty/ low blows from Star). Wil Hahn previously rode for both teams, but won his championship with Geico and from memory had nothing but praise about them.

I get that there are many individuals involved in Star, but with Wil being the team manager surely he has a lot of power over the decisions made and would perhaps be more respectful/ try to maintain a bit of civility between the two organisations?

Or is it more the owners/ manufacturers have their say and Wil has to keep quiet/ go along with it to maintain job security?

Just curious.
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
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TLD KTM is probably laughing right now. If Star doesn’t run a 450 team next year, where does Shane land? HEP Suzuki or maybe JGR Suzuki? I heard Christian Craig might be moving up to the 450 class with JGR, any truth to that? Maybe Shane joins them over there? And we still haven’t seen what Savagty can do with their bike. Maybe Joey should’ve raced some of the salt lake rounds seeing how the nationals aren’t happening again.
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7/3/2020 2:12am
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
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Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
Yeah,fuck off with that.
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Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
yz133rider wrote:
Yeah,fuck off with that.
That other thread was going so great before it got clipped.
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Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
yz133rider wrote:
Yeah,fuck off with that.
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7/3/2020 7:10am Edited Date/Time 7/3/2020 7:10am
Maybe, they knew it was gonna be tested so they switched the fuel right before it was handed over for testing?......
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Maybe, they knew it was gonna be tested so they switched the fuel right before it was handed over for testing?......
Yeah....ok
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Maybe, they knew it was gonna be tested so they switched the fuel right before it was handed over for testing?......
Maybe the fuel was fine, and Chase was fastest.
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7/3/2020 8:51am
bestmx wrote:
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some...
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some really petty/ low blows from Star). Wil Hahn previously rode for both teams, but won his championship with Geico and from memory had nothing but praise about them.

I get that there are many individuals involved in Star, but with Wil being the team manager surely he has a lot of power over the decisions made and would perhaps be more respectful/ try to maintain a bit of civility between the two organisations?

Or is it more the owners/ manufacturers have their say and Wil has to keep quiet/ go along with it to maintain job security?

Just curious.
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is performing admirably obviously since they're one of the best teams out there. You want to fire a guy because of a few tiny incidents that you dont agree with? I mean... to fire someone over this? Come on. That is just insanely over the top. Ruin a guys livelihood because you dont agree with some calls...sheesh.
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7/3/2020 9:02am Edited Date/Time 7/3/2020 9:04am
bestmx wrote:
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some...
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some really petty/ low blows from Star). Wil Hahn previously rode for both teams, but won his championship with Geico and from memory had nothing but praise about them.

I get that there are many individuals involved in Star, but with Wil being the team manager surely he has a lot of power over the decisions made and would perhaps be more respectful/ try to maintain a bit of civility between the two organisations?

Or is it more the owners/ manufacturers have their say and Wil has to keep quiet/ go along with it to maintain job security?

Just curious.
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
agn5009 wrote:
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is...
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is performing admirably obviously since they're one of the best teams out there. You want to fire a guy because of a few tiny incidents that you dont agree with? I mean... to fire someone over this? Come on. That is just insanely over the top. Ruin a guys livelihood because you dont agree with some calls...sheesh.
To be fair, there is a legitimate argument that this Brad guys antics are hurtful to Yamaha from a marketing standpoint. Whether it is hurtful enough to warrant Yamaha to take action is a different question.

I agree, removing him from his position for these cases would be extremely harsh. But a sit down and some proper guidance in professionalism would absolutely be in place from the outside looking in.
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7/3/2020 9:09am
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
agn5009 wrote:
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is...
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is performing admirably obviously since they're one of the best teams out there. You want to fire a guy because of a few tiny incidents that you dont agree with? I mean... to fire someone over this? Come on. That is just insanely over the top. Ruin a guys livelihood because you dont agree with some calls...sheesh.
Motofinne wrote:
To be fair, there is a legitimate argument that this Brad guys antics are hurtful to Yamaha from a marketing standpoint. Whether it is hurtful enough...
To be fair, there is a legitimate argument that this Brad guys antics are hurtful to Yamaha from a marketing standpoint. Whether it is hurtful enough to warrant Yamaha to take action is a different question.

I agree, removing him from his position for these cases would be extremely harsh. But a sit down and some proper guidance in professionalism would absolutely be in place from the outside looking in.
I agree with that. Talking to him and warning him against further antics would be totally acceptable. But to fire someone over this? Ouch.
7/3/2020 9:27am
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with another team and did. Then he comes out and almost wins a title on the new bike. I'm sure TK and TLD KTM are happy he didn't win, but he was a lot closer on the Yamaha than he ever was on the KTM. Yes, he was the runner up in 2015 West SX, but he was 62 points behind Webb at the end of the series. Plenty of other guys have left teams because the didn't feel like they could win with that specific bike/team.

As far as the gate issue and the protest, pretty shitty! These guys try to play head games, albeit on different levels. I don't like it, but it isn't going away any time soon. The protest, again just shit and a last ditch effort to try and get a title. I think he realized that was his last chance at ever getting a title.

I'm not defending what Shane did in any way, but he isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I don't understand why everyone looks at Christians and thinks because they aren't perfect that they are a horrible representation.

The way this thread is going, I hope it gets flushed too. Between the COVID arguments and now the religious debates, I hope the mods do a deep cleaning on threads soon.
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7/3/2020 10:18am
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
Let's hope they don't have any laser pointers.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with...
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with another team and did. Then he comes out and almost wins a title on the new bike. I'm sure TK and TLD KTM are happy he didn't win, but he was a lot closer on the Yamaha than he ever was on the KTM. Yes, he was the runner up in 2015 West SX, but he was 62 points behind Webb at the end of the series. Plenty of other guys have left teams because the didn't feel like they could win with that specific bike/team.

As far as the gate issue and the protest, pretty shitty! These guys try to play head games, albeit on different levels. I don't like it, but it isn't going away any time soon. The protest, again just shit and a last ditch effort to try and get a title. I think he realized that was his last chance at ever getting a title.

I'm not defending what Shane did in any way, but he isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I don't understand why everyone looks at Christians and thinks because they aren't perfect that they are a horrible representation.

The way this thread is going, I hope it gets flushed too. Between the COVID arguments and now the religious debates, I hope the mods do a deep cleaning on threads soon.
I agree with you about why riders often leave teams, but that's not what I was talking about. The thing with TLD was about Shane not having the respect or courtesy to even entertain a counter to star's offer when T.K. explicitly asked him to at least wait a few days before making a decision. According to T.K. Shane said he would wait, but didn't honor his word and ended up signing with star the next day. T.K. and KTM were pissed and he talks about it in a Redbull video, the motospy series I think...also theres a thread here that details the situation more thoroughly.
Yea everyone is human....but when someone is so vocal about their faith and regularly expresses its importance in their life, that person becomes a representative of that religion, whether they like it or not, and especially if they're in the eye of the public. It's only normal to then hold that person accountable to the same standards you would expect out of any religious person. In other words, do they practice what they preach? It was in a rhetorical sense to ask why Christians tend to have a bad rep. I get that people are going to have a different idea of how a religious person should carry themself, but I think there are some basic tenants that all would expect out of that person. If you're not willing or able to act in accordance with those expectations, then don't be so loud about your faith at every opportunity. It's just not a good look for anybody.
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Has anybody ever heard Shanes' side of the story on not waiting to sign with Star?

Some times job changes can be like a divorce and you certainly shouldn't pick sides without hearing from both parties.

Although, if you like one side better than the other, then taking sides is easier - no need to wait.

Could be Shane had lots of good reasons for not waiting - could be he felt he wasn't always treated with respect & courtesy. Could be he thought about it & decided there was no way he'd get a better offer. Could be Star called & said 'Hey, we need an answer'. Who knows?





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Has anybody ever heard Shanes' side of the story on not waiting to sign with Star? Some times job changes can be like a divorce and...
Has anybody ever heard Shanes' side of the story on not waiting to sign with Star?

Some times job changes can be like a divorce and you certainly shouldn't pick sides without hearing from both parties.

Although, if you like one side better than the other, then taking sides is easier - no need to wait.

Could be Shane had lots of good reasons for not waiting - could be he felt he wasn't always treated with respect & courtesy. Could be he thought about it & decided there was no way he'd get a better offer. Could be Star called & said 'Hey, we need an answer'. Who knows?





He did an interview on DMXS a few weeks ago and talked about not being able to get the KTM "in the right place" for like 3 years. He won multiple races each of those years BTW, against guys like AC, Hill, Plessinger, Ferrandis. I'm not sure things are perfect at TLD-KTM, it seems like both McElrath and Smith got close to titles there, but by switching teams they must have also thought they could not get it done there either. I do feel for that team, going through Jessy Nelson and Brian Moreau has to be horrendous for an organization.

I don't care about McElrath's religious leanings, but I don't think he's going to amount to much on a 450. He's like a poor man's Savatgy, has some wins in 250 class, no titles, pointing out....good luck. I'm really curious to see if he ends up on a KTM in a team like RMATV-MC or if his TLD departure completely burned the KTM bridge. If that is the case, he's shut out of a lot of opportunities in the big class.
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7/3/2020 3:09pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2020 3:18pm
bestmx wrote:
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some...
I'm still confused as to why there seems to be so many issues with the two teams (racing is racing, but sounds like there are some really petty/ low blows from Star). Wil Hahn previously rode for both teams, but won his championship with Geico and from memory had nothing but praise about them.

I get that there are many individuals involved in Star, but with Wil being the team manager surely he has a lot of power over the decisions made and would perhaps be more respectful/ try to maintain a bit of civility between the two organisations?

Or is it more the owners/ manufacturers have their say and Wil has to keep quiet/ go along with it to maintain job security?

Just curious.
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
agn5009 wrote:
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is...
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is performing admirably obviously since they're one of the best teams out there. You want to fire a guy because of a few tiny incidents that you dont agree with? I mean... to fire someone over this? Come on. That is just insanely over the top. Ruin a guys livelihood because you dont agree with some calls...sheesh.
I dont see how opinions on a motocross forum is going to ruin a guys livelihood....or do you think team bosses/managers/sponsors read and act on comments on Vital????

mxjon454 had an opinion, you dont agree with it...fine.
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Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with...
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with another team and did. Then he comes out and almost wins a title on the new bike. I'm sure TK and TLD KTM are happy he didn't win, but he was a lot closer on the Yamaha than he ever was on the KTM. Yes, he was the runner up in 2015 West SX, but he was 62 points behind Webb at the end of the series. Plenty of other guys have left teams because the didn't feel like they could win with that specific bike/team.

As far as the gate issue and the protest, pretty shitty! These guys try to play head games, albeit on different levels. I don't like it, but it isn't going away any time soon. The protest, again just shit and a last ditch effort to try and get a title. I think he realized that was his last chance at ever getting a title.

I'm not defending what Shane did in any way, but he isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I don't understand why everyone looks at Christians and thinks because they aren't perfect that they are a horrible representation.

The way this thread is going, I hope it gets flushed too. Between the COVID arguments and now the religious debates, I hope the mods do a deep cleaning on threads soon.
to be fair, most comments here are not about the religious component.....so let us put it in perspective eh?
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7/3/2020 3:32pm
mxjon454 wrote:
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from...
I think Wilbur is the assistant team manager. If this whole shitshow with taking Sextons gate pick and the fuel protest and all that came from Brad Hoffman then Star should just promote Wil to team manager and get rid of Hoffman. Yes Star has awesome bikes (the best in the class) but from the outside looking in, they’re looking like The Motoconcepts team from 2012.
agn5009 wrote:
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is...
I think you're overreacting significantly. Star just won a SX title and have a great chance to win the MX title with Ferrandis. The team is performing admirably obviously since they're one of the best teams out there. You want to fire a guy because of a few tiny incidents that you dont agree with? I mean... to fire someone over this? Come on. That is just insanely over the top. Ruin a guys livelihood because you dont agree with some calls...sheesh.
kiwifan wrote:
I dont see how opinions on a motocross forum is going to ruin a guys livelihood....or do you think team bosses/managers/sponsors read and act on comments...
I dont see how opinions on a motocross forum is going to ruin a guys livelihood....or do you think team bosses/managers/sponsors read and act on comments on Vital????

mxjon454 had an opinion, you dont agree with it...fine.
He is allowed to have an opinion. And I stated mine. My opinion is firing a guy over this nonsense is a bit extreme. If I was the owner I would sit down and express my displeasure. Sometimes guys here forget this is how they put food on the table. To take that away from a guy because 1. A rider took another riders gate and 2. They protested another teams fuel is just insane. It makes it even more insane that the team has been highly successful the last few years.
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7/3/2020 4:50pm
I've lost respect for Shane, and Chase has gained even more respect from me.
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7/3/2020 5:19pm
We need racing back and/or some folks need to go out and ride their motoscooters.
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If the fuel is the difference over Chase beating Shane then I would like to know where I can buy some?
Never mind I don’t use you anymore.
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What seems to be lost on many here is that Supercross is a business. Its about money. Teams are paid to win. Riders are paid to win. This isn't about sportsmanship. There are rules. If an action is within the rules it is acceptable. Racing has always had protests and mind games, its nothing new in any form of racing.

Once a raceteam I worked on had to go to federal court to get an injunction against the SCCA to stop the Supernational at Portlad Intrrnational Raceway. Our Porsches were faster than everyone else. Another manufacturer kept protesting us. The SCCA was getting a lot of money from that manufacturer. There was no sportsmanship, it was about money. One time a rider protested Honda at a National and claimed a $50,000.00 works Honda and Honda was forced to let him have it for something like $5,000.00. It was fair because it was within the rules.

Geico insurance is a terrible company that has been sued thousands of times. They have been penalized by the government for violations of law multiple times. That doesn't make Factory Connection Geico racing bad, its just business. The Geico team isn't good and the Star team isn't bad. They're just businesses. Shane isn't a bad guy. Chase isn't a victim. They both along with most of the other racers have all done stuff to try and help them win. The fuel protest was within the rules. It was a gamble but what if it worked? Shane didn't try and take Chase out or hurt him. You don't think Chad Reed wouldn't have taken Chase out for a championship? Remember what Christian Craig did to Alex martin in practice? What about what Osborne did to Savatgy? Consensus was that he was a hero and Savatgy was week. Kevin Windom did some rough stuff to other riders when he was at Geico. Stop with the phoney self-righteous bullshit. Yamaha doesn't care about the protest and the starting line nonsense. Chase was the better faster rider and managed the series better than Shane. Its not about sportsmanship. It is about winning to get the money. If Chase is your hero good for you. If Shane is your hero good for you as well.
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Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with...
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with another team and did. Then he comes out and almost wins a title on the new bike. I'm sure TK and TLD KTM are happy he didn't win, but he was a lot closer on the Yamaha than he ever was on the KTM. Yes, he was the runner up in 2015 West SX, but he was 62 points behind Webb at the end of the series. Plenty of other guys have left teams because the didn't feel like they could win with that specific bike/team.

As far as the gate issue and the protest, pretty shitty! These guys try to play head games, albeit on different levels. I don't like it, but it isn't going away any time soon. The protest, again just shit and a last ditch effort to try and get a title. I think he realized that was his last chance at ever getting a title.

I'm not defending what Shane did in any way, but he isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I don't understand why everyone looks at Christians and thinks because they aren't perfect that they are a horrible representation.

The way this thread is going, I hope it gets flushed too. Between the COVID arguments and now the religious debates, I hope the mods do a deep cleaning on threads soon.
I get this but... Did he sit out last season after he signed the Star deal or before? I get contracts and money and all that good stuff but dont ever sit out on the person signing your paychecks... Just my 2 cents.
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7/3/2020 6:04pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2020 6:07pm
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD...
Wow, Shane pulled some real bitch moves on the gate and during the race. Guess that should have been expected considering the way he left TLD for star and totally pissed of T.K. and pretty much all of KTM...and all the while he never got off his holier than thou high horse. Nice. And people wonder why Christianity has such a bad reputation?
mattyhamz2 wrote:
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with...
The guy said he didn't like the bike and didn't feel like he could win a championship on it. He had the choice to sign with another team and did. Then he comes out and almost wins a title on the new bike. I'm sure TK and TLD KTM are happy he didn't win, but he was a lot closer on the Yamaha than he ever was on the KTM. Yes, he was the runner up in 2015 West SX, but he was 62 points behind Webb at the end of the series. Plenty of other guys have left teams because the didn't feel like they could win with that specific bike/team.

As far as the gate issue and the protest, pretty shitty! These guys try to play head games, albeit on different levels. I don't like it, but it isn't going away any time soon. The protest, again just shit and a last ditch effort to try and get a title. I think he realized that was his last chance at ever getting a title.

I'm not defending what Shane did in any way, but he isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I don't understand why everyone looks at Christians and thinks because they aren't perfect that they are a horrible representation.

The way this thread is going, I hope it gets flushed too. Between the COVID arguments and now the religious debates, I hope the mods do a deep cleaning on threads soon.
I get this but... Did he sit out last season after he signed the Star deal or before? I get contracts and money and all that...
I get this but... Did he sit out last season after he signed the Star deal or before? I get contracts and money and all that good stuff but dont ever sit out on the person signing your paychecks... Just my 2 cents.
I beleive TLD told him to sit out and get healthy. Shane probably lost money by sitting out.
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OLDMOTO wrote:
I beleive TLD told him to sit out and get healthy. Shane probably lost money by sitting out.
Shane got paid his full salary (minus race bonuses obviously) to sit the races out. They wanted Shane to sit it out so he was eligible for TLD/KTM for the next season, then he signed with STAR the day after they asked him to give them a couple days to match the offer. Those are facts that are on the record from multiple sources.
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7/3/2020 7:19pm
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Shane got paid his full salary (minus race bonuses obviously) to sit the races out. They wanted Shane to sit it out so he was eligible...
Shane got paid his full salary (minus race bonuses obviously) to sit the races out. They wanted Shane to sit it out so he was eligible for TLD/KTM for the next season, then he signed with STAR the day after they asked him to give them a couple days to match the offer. Those are facts that are on the record from multiple sources.
If said agreement didn't include a signed contract, somebody at TLD/KTM screwed it up. And if months went by before they presented a contract and Star came calling in the mean time? Who knows if TLD/KTM was dragging their feet on a contract?

And if they were and Shane is presented with (what he feels is) the best offer he is going to get - after all that waiting?

Some see it all black & white, but I can sure imagine a lot of grey.
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