Could we lose JGR?

2WheelsForTheMasses 3/10/2020 8:42am
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad? There are plenty of privateers making the main...
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
If you watch the 450 C group (those are privateers) there is maybe one Suzuki on the track. Any pro rider who actually has to BUY and maintain their bike isn't buying a Suzuki. HEP guys aren't buying their own bikes and parts

Lots of green and orange bikes in 450C though
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JGR is out there by choice, if they choose to abandon that part of their business that's sad for the people who put the last 10 plus years of their life into it but it will make not one bit of difference to 99.99% of the moto community.
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I'm still trying to see what difference it makes if JGR is around or not. It's not like they have been a team in the forefront of anything for years. People act like having a crappy "factory" team is such a great thing. If they do quit, they will be quickly forgotten and probably not missed at all.
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I'm still trying to see what difference it makes if JGR is around or not. It's not like they have been a team in the forefront...
I'm still trying to see what difference it makes if JGR is around or not. It's not like they have been a team in the forefront of anything for years. People act like having a crappy "factory" team is such a great thing. If they do quit, they will be quickly forgotten and probably not missed at all.
The spots for good rides are getting less and less - them leaving will only be negative for the sport unless another team with their financial base and experience can suddenly crop up out of nowhere.

"...forgotten and not missed at all."????? C'mon man, get outta here with that shit.
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What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
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Be careful what you wish for. FELD owns all the Monster trucks and simply contracts with driver's as they see fit. FELD determines who "wins." Remember...
Be careful what you wish for. FELD owns all the Monster trucks and simply contracts with driver's as they see fit. FELD determines who "wins."

Remember, FELD is in the circus business----and the circus business is all about deception.
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would people care nearly as much if all the riders were on the same (or similar) equipment?

Feld is currently not in the circus business. Yes, they own the Ringling Bros. name. They haven't had a show since 2017.

Feld is, however, in the entertainment business.

Losing JGR would be a bad deal for the sport. There are a ton of talented people working for the team, and they are the connection to the sport for Suzuki. Interestingly, in a conversation with the team a while back, I was told that their deal with Suzuki is better than what they had with Yamaha.

Yes, there's still a very big blank spot at the back of their rig for a potential sponsor, and on various weekends if you're watching carefully, you'll see them in meetings with people they're pitching. But just like in NASCAR, teams are finding it hard for a single company to come in and cut a big check just to see their logo moving quickly around a track. Big companies are also all about relationships...adding some kind of business-to-business model with racing as a component.
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad? There are plenty of privateers making the main...
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
Do you work for Zuk or JGR ? It's common knowledge the bike is outdated & behind the other manufacturers. Is it competitive ? Probably, but once you get to the top guys like ET, KR, MM etc..more than likely they wouldn't sign up to ride that bike. Think reasonably not emotionally..
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2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad? There are plenty of privateers making the main...
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
It’s not that the RMZ is a “bad” motorcycle, it’s that KTM and Honda are all in for constant development on their bikes to make them better every year. Both those companies value race wins a lot.

Other than what JGR does in their shop to modify those bikes, they can’t do much to improve them due to the production rule.

There is no current race development on the RMZ at the factory level that I can see, unless it’s top secret...
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/10/2020 11:12am
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Is that a serious question?
zippytech wrote:
Yea is was, does JGR sell something?
Yes, advertising space.
Companies pay for a sticker on that bike.
That income pays riders, techs, rent, travel and all other expenses.

The idea is there's a bit left over at the end of the year after everyone has been paid.

Coy says that they're currently breaking even. In my book thats a success.
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Sr_Vet_Rider 3/10/2020 11:17am
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MOTO1313 wrote:
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill...
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
Man, every post you make is negative in one way or another... you need a snickers bud !
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kb228 3/10/2020 11:17am
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad? There are plenty of privateers making the main...
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
Tomac with full support from kawasaki on the current bike is better than tomac with half assed support from suzuki on the RMZ.

JGR doesnt have a tomac right now so no, it doesnt matter much. I think the argument here is for factory support
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Dirty Points 3/10/2020 11:21am
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MOTO1313 wrote:
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill...
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
In the last 5 years, JGR has:

337 Main event qualifications
180 top 10 finishes
20 podiums
3 wins
1 MXON class win

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Thisusernameisavailable 3/10/2020 11:24am
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MOTO1313 wrote:
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill...
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
Dirty Points wrote:
In the last 5 years, JGR has:

337 Main event qualifications
180 top 10 finishes
20 podiums
3 wins
1 MXON class win

Not to mention 1 450 National championship title (Suzuki, not JGR)
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GuyB wrote:
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would...
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would people care nearly as much if all the riders were on the same (or similar) equipment?

Feld is currently not in the circus business. Yes, they own the Ringling Bros. name. They haven't had a show since 2017.

Feld is, however, in the entertainment business.

Losing JGR would be a bad deal for the sport. There are a ton of talented people working for the team, and they are the connection to the sport for Suzuki. Interestingly, in a conversation with the team a while back, I was told that their deal with Suzuki is better than what they had with Yamaha.

Yes, there's still a very big blank spot at the back of their rig for a potential sponsor, and on various weekends if you're watching carefully, you'll see them in meetings with people they're pitching. But just like in NASCAR, teams are finding it hard for a single company to come in and cut a big check just to see their logo moving quickly around a track. Big companies are also all about relationships...adding some kind of business-to-business model with racing as a component.
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JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were they thinking. Plus A Mart is just not that great at sx. And keeping a guy like Decotis just does not make any since to me. Plenty of younger guys looking for a ride in my opinion that could have been a better choice.
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mb60 wrote:
JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were...
JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were they thinking. Plus A Mart is just not that great at sx. And keeping a guy like Decotis just does not make any since to me. Plenty of younger guys looking for a ride in my opinion that could have been a better choice.
You gotta give some examples when you make that type of statement. Who could they get right now that would finish better than A Mart or a healthy Decotis?
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MOTO1313 3/10/2020 12:03pm
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MOTO1313 wrote:
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill...
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
Dirty Points wrote:
In the last 5 years, JGR has:

337 Main event qualifications
180 top 10 finishes
20 podiums
3 wins
1 MXON class win

That's hilarious.

Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years:

If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in the next 5 years. And in return you give us your full factory support and millions each year for our budget, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself.
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MOTO1313 wrote:
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill...
What has JGR or Suzuki done in the past 5 years that make them worth missing? Tell me. Here's what it is...ZERO. Someone else will fill JGR's "void".
Dirty Points wrote:
In the last 5 years, JGR has:

337 Main event qualifications
180 top 10 finishes
20 podiums
3 wins
1 MXON class win

MOTO1313 wrote:
That's hilarious. Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years: If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in...
That's hilarious.

Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years:

If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in the next 5 years. And in return you give us your full factory support and millions each year for our budget, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself.
They don't receive any budget at all from their OEM. Bikes and Parts.
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davistld01 3/10/2020 12:18pm
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You have to attract top talent with more than money. In my mind, a legitimate championship contender won't consider joining a team without a bike that has the ability to be the other half of the championship. If the bike isn't up to the task...then no top rider will take the chance on not being competitive, no matter how big the paycheck is. JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. They've had mega-tons of hype...but it's never produced a winner. Heck, RCH had Roczen on more of a real-deal, no-shit full factory Suzuki than JGR has ever put a rider on...and JGR is the Suzuki factory team! What's up with that? I give them a whole lot of kudos for hanging in there...but they need to find some way to legitimately step up to the damn pump!
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MOTO1313 3/10/2020 12:27pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
In the last 5 years, JGR has:

337 Main event qualifications
180 top 10 finishes
20 podiums
3 wins
1 MXON class win

MOTO1313 wrote:
That's hilarious. Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years: If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in...
That's hilarious.

Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years:

If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in the next 5 years. And in return you give us your full factory support and millions each year for our budget, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself.
Dirty Points wrote:
They don't receive any budget at all from their OEM. Bikes and Parts.
It was simply an analogy. My point being, it costs millions to operate a full factory or even top tier satellite effort. Somebody, somewhere is paying the bills. Your list of JGR accomplishments is not worth the manufacturer's investment in them. For whatever reason, they have not done that great of a job lately.
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GuyB wrote:
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would...
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would people care nearly as much if all the riders were on the same (or similar) equipment?

Feld is currently not in the circus business. Yes, they own the Ringling Bros. name. They haven't had a show since 2017.

Feld is, however, in the entertainment business.

Losing JGR would be a bad deal for the sport. There are a ton of talented people working for the team, and they are the connection to the sport for Suzuki. Interestingly, in a conversation with the team a while back, I was told that their deal with Suzuki is better than what they had with Yamaha.

Yes, there's still a very big blank spot at the back of their rig for a potential sponsor, and on various weekends if you're watching carefully, you'll see them in meetings with people they're pitching. But just like in NASCAR, teams are finding it hard for a single company to come in and cut a big check just to see their logo moving quickly around a track. Big companies are also all about relationships...adding some kind of business-to-business model with racing as a component.
They own Ringling Brothers but aren't in the circus business? Okie Dokie! 🤣
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MOTO1313 wrote:
That's hilarious. Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years: If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in...
That's hilarious.

Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years:

If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in the next 5 years. And in return you give us your full factory support and millions each year for our budget, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself.
You’re a fucking tool. If that’s how it works then why did Ken go to Honda? They didn’t win a dam thing before him for years. Or dungey to ktm? You can be a JGR hater that’s fine, but to imply they haven’t done shit is just idiotic. As far as suzuki, Go listen to the whiskey throttle episode with Albertyn, this isn’t there first go around with shit budget and shit bikes. Never thought I’d see the day where someone is actually rooting for a team to not be in our sport anymore.
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Dirty Points 3/10/2020 12:38pm
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GuyB wrote:
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would...
I think that model works in Monster Trucks. I think the fact that all the teams and manufacturers are independent is what makes Supercross work. Would people care nearly as much if all the riders were on the same (or similar) equipment?

Feld is currently not in the circus business. Yes, they own the Ringling Bros. name. They haven't had a show since 2017.

Feld is, however, in the entertainment business.

Losing JGR would be a bad deal for the sport. There are a ton of talented people working for the team, and they are the connection to the sport for Suzuki. Interestingly, in a conversation with the team a while back, I was told that their deal with Suzuki is better than what they had with Yamaha.

Yes, there's still a very big blank spot at the back of their rig for a potential sponsor, and on various weekends if you're watching carefully, you'll see them in meetings with people they're pitching. But just like in NASCAR, teams are finding it hard for a single company to come in and cut a big check just to see their logo moving quickly around a track. Big companies are also all about relationships...adding some kind of business-to-business model with racing as a component.
Red Crawford wrote:
They own Ringling Brothers but aren't in the circus business? Okie Dokie! 🤣
They folded Ringling Brothers in 2017
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Less to no factory support mean you will not get better results, which means it is more difficult to attract sponsors or have money to pay better riders. Better riders get you better development and better results.

Maybe the reason that JGR does all of the motor work and other R&D is because Suzuki won't. Take that away and give them a better situation with another team JGR/TLD and maybe it changes.

JGR can be here without Suzuki, and running a Geico type team for 250's and or 450's may be the way to go. And if it is with GasGas or just a 250 team it could work.
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mb60 wrote:
JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were...
JGR has just horrible luck the last couple of years with 450 riders. But I can't understand the 250 effort at all. Hiring Hill what were they thinking. Plus A Mart is just not that great at sx. And keeping a guy like Decotis just does not make any since to me. Plenty of younger guys looking for a ride in my opinion that could have been a better choice.
aeffertz wrote:
You gotta give some examples when you make that type of statement. Who could they get right now that would finish better than A Mart or...
You gotta give some examples when you make that type of statement. Who could they get right now that would finish better than A Mart or a healthy Decotis?
I would much rather have Enzo Lopes on my team in 2020 compared to Jimmy D. Actually not only for 2020, Lopes has potential to get even better than what he is right now and they chose Jimmy (a rider that has probably peaked in his career) over him.

Don't get me wrong, they have been very unlucky. But that is one of many "bad" rider picks that has been made on that team through the years. Of course there are some good ones also.
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davistld01 wrote:
You have to attract top talent with more than money. In my mind, a legitimate championship contender won't consider joining a team without a bike that...
You have to attract top talent with more than money. In my mind, a legitimate championship contender won't consider joining a team without a bike that has the ability to be the other half of the championship. If the bike isn't up to the task...then no top rider will take the chance on not being competitive, no matter how big the paycheck is. JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. They've had mega-tons of hype...but it's never produced a winner. Heck, RCH had Roczen on more of a real-deal, no-shit full factory Suzuki than JGR has ever put a rider on...and JGR is the Suzuki factory team! What's up with that? I give them a whole lot of kudos for hanging in there...but they need to find some way to legitimately step up to the damn pump!
JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. 

They had James Stewart.
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kb228 wrote:
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it. Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR...
They need a better bike. The last .001% matters at the pro level and the zook doesnt have it.

Maybe kawi or yamaha will make JGR a satellite team like RM KTM is to Redbull KTM. Thats probably for the best.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad? There are plenty of privateers making the main...
Please tell me what a different bike will do for any of these riders on the jgr squad?

There are plenty of privateers making the main week to week...on a Suzuki. Sure seems to me the bike is fine.

Name me a healthy rider last seen on a jgr bike?

Are you saying Tomac couldnt hop on a Suzuki and win after a off-season of training and testing?
Did everyone forget Roczen winning outdoors 2016 on that dated ass RMZ 450? No? Silly
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davistld01 wrote:
You have to attract top talent with more than money. In my mind, a legitimate championship contender won't consider joining a team without a bike that...
You have to attract top talent with more than money. In my mind, a legitimate championship contender won't consider joining a team without a bike that has the ability to be the other half of the championship. If the bike isn't up to the task...then no top rider will take the chance on not being competitive, no matter how big the paycheck is. JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. They've had mega-tons of hype...but it's never produced a winner. Heck, RCH had Roczen on more of a real-deal, no-shit full factory Suzuki than JGR has ever put a rider on...and JGR is the Suzuki factory team! What's up with that? I give them a whole lot of kudos for hanging in there...but they need to find some way to legitimately step up to the damn pump!
MX690 wrote:
JGR has never had a bike that would attract a true championship rider. 

They had James Stewart.
The JGR Yamaha wasn't what attracted Stewart to sign. It was $$$. He figured he could win on anything...and he did.
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MOTO1313 wrote:
That's hilarious. Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years: If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in...
That's hilarious.

Using your list of JGR accomplishmnents over the past 5 years:

If you walked up to a manufacturer and said...here's what we'll accomplish in the next 5 years. And in return you give us your full factory support and millions each year for our budget, they'd tell you to go fuck yourself.
xrmark wrote:
You’re a fucking tool. If that’s how it works then why did Ken go to Honda? They didn’t win a dam thing before him for years...
You’re a fucking tool. If that’s how it works then why did Ken go to Honda? They didn’t win a dam thing before him for years. Or dungey to ktm? You can be a JGR hater that’s fine, but to imply they haven’t done shit is just idiotic. As far as suzuki, Go listen to the whiskey throttle episode with Albertyn, this isn’t there first go around with shit budget and shit bikes. Never thought I’d see the day where someone is actually rooting for a team to not be in our sport anymore.
Yeah, and you're a genius for thinking JGR does such a great job. Why does everyone who enters the JGR dungeon do soooo great? Just a fucking coincidence that people go there as a last resort I assume???
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