Who/What is next for Electric

loftyair
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2/28/2020 4:09pm
Im waiting for that electric boat other posters are talking about getting.
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2/28/2020 5:59pm
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Just gonna say it's very "cultish" the way most of y'all lash out a people who disagree. I despise the E bike movement. It's fucking stupid...
Just gonna say it's very "cultish" the way most of y'all lash out a people who disagree.

I despise the E bike movement. It's fucking stupid, it's no better for the enviroment and it won't save riding areas. Just saying. And the fact that there is no clutch or gear box management makes these things a nothing more that a power wheel toy. Desl with it. That's why you guys ride better, because it removes an integral part of the moto experience. Shifting.

I think it's a waste and dumb and that's my opinion. No amount of ad hominum attacks changes anything, in fact it points out the weakness of the arguments being made. The bikes and the "movement" should stand alone in persuading people to move over. Not attempting to brow beat them into accepting your opinion. Jesus why is everybody a dickheaded advocate these days?

You guys pining for an fucking E bike then make one, sell it or ride it and shut the fuck up.
Ride one and then let us know how you feel...
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2/28/2020 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2020 2:19am
Now that we have an E50 we will see where this goes in the years to come. The failure for the E-Mx bikes to catch on was starting them with adults. Most of whom are all stuck in their ways been riding for a long time and don’t want to change. I see it in my occupation as well. The older the person the less open they are to the changing industry.

They are now on the right track to see where this can actually go. Starting kids out on the E50’s so it’s not a change to them. It’s just normal. To a 4 year old today dirt bikes will have always been electric and ICE. Even to their friends and family that don’t ride and just come to watch them at the track. They (in the hopes of KTM and the likes) won’t even be thinking about these arguments we are having on this topic.

I don’t think electric will take over. But I think it has a place in the industry. This tactic of growing the kids into the e-Mx bikes will in my opinion make the demand larger and probably large enough to sustain itself at a bare minimum.

With that said in regards to the original post I think Honda is next to join the game. And we won’t see an E65 for another couple years. I think they will grow it with the class. 4 year olds just getting E50’s means they won’t need an E65 for 4-5 more years. The E65 will come in the next 3-4. Followed by the E85 in the next 5-6 as we watch the E-Mx bike grow with this new generation.
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2/28/2020 6:53pm
Nothing like plugging your electric motorcycle into a gas generator to charge up ... maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t there some irony in there somewhere?
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2/28/2020 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 2/28/2020 8:17pm
I grew up on two strokes, and rode a four stroke for a few years. I bought an Alta simply because it was quiet, and I figured I could ride during the week in my backyard without bothering anyone. That Alta was an incredible bike, and quickly became one of my favorite bikes ever. I know so many see electric as the death knell for MX, but it’s not. When the big boys like Honda, Yamaha, etc. put one out it will be incredible. I was like the haters until I actually spent time with the Alta. There is something about the power delivery that makes them a blast to ride. I am looking forward to the electric bikes now, though I will probably never again be without a two stroke.
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2/29/2020 12:56pm
The sound the smell, it all adds to the excitement of supercross or motocross. How many people do you think are going to run to the...
The sound the smell, it all adds to the excitement of supercross or motocross. How many people do you think are going to run to the fence at a National to watch 40 electric bikes take off when that gate drops? Can you imagine going to a Nascar race with no sound? I was at Daytona a couple weeks ago. The sound of the cars as they roar by....if that does not get you on the edge of your seat nothing will.

There is a HUGE difference in racing electric bikes and gas powered bikes. It is part of the show, and the show would never be the same.
When Nascar has no sound I won't get a headache after 10 minutes.

Having said that, nothing makes my dick so hard as the sound of 40 Nascar,s when they are screaming along the back fence.
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2/29/2020 1:44pm
bvm111 wrote:
Nothing like plugging your electric motorcycle into a gas generator to charge up ... maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t there some irony in there...
Nothing like plugging your electric motorcycle into a gas generator to charge up ... maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t there some irony in there somewhere?
I see your point, but I didn't buy an Alta to be a tree hugger. I bought it because it kicks ass, and so do gas bikes. Every Negative Nancy that has ridden my Alta changed their opinion after actually riding one.
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2/29/2020 2:05pm
bvm111 wrote:
Nothing like plugging your electric motorcycle into a gas generator to charge up ... maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t there some irony in there...
Nothing like plugging your electric motorcycle into a gas generator to charge up ... maybe I’m missing something here but isn’t there some irony in there somewhere?
You’re not wrong. Not to worry, it’ll be a long while before electric bikes take over.
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2/29/2020 2:18pm
I can understand those that find the irony of plugging an electric bike into a gas generator for power.

The fact is that the founders of Alta loved dirt bikes and wanted to create a bike that was easier to ride fast. It had nothing to do with being green.
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2/29/2020 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2020 2:30pm
Electric bikes will be gone UNLESS the Internal combustion engine is legislated out by law or we can have cheap and much better batteries. Both are viable. Both may happen, but until it does, the ICE is hear to stay.....

My brother has a new Husky electric 50. The AMA doesn't know where it will go and its a senior frame but only 4-6 year olds can race it. My brother has been in contact with the AMA about this and can't get much answers to his questions.

To summarize his talk with the AMA, they want to proceed very, very slowly with this because they don't want to have a problem like they had with 4 stokes getting 250 CC and 2 strokes getting 125cc. We all know what happened there when they dropped that bomb. I don't believe the AMA knows how to proceed at the moment.

Fact: Formula 1 is turning away from electric motors and going, possibly , too 2 strokes.

Also Honda and Toyota have both said corporately that they WILL NOT CONCENTRATE ON ELECTRIC CARS BECAUSE OF THE COST. they will concentrate on hybrid cars because they will be overall more economical to use.

Links to formula one 2 stroke engines and and what the president from Honda said about global civilian market cars so don't expect that Honda Electric soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HJZOBEvBMM

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/honda-ceo-expects-hybrids-outshi…
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I love dirt bikes....have way to many of them...all gas. That said I'm waiting patiently for my 2020 E ____ Bike from Spain. Should be be here in the next few months. When one of the big 6 release a E MX bike, I'm certainly going to get one😃 Life's to short not to enjoy technology
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2/29/2020 3:44pm
mx 219 wrote:
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who...
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who will jump into electric next and where will they start (anyone heard any rumors)? I see both KTM and Cobra seem to be calling the minis E5. So assuming they reference e5, will there continue to be 60's, 85s, 100, 125/250F, 450. Or do you think manufacturer's will try to combine a 65/85 with adjustability like how KTM did the e5 with 4 inches of adjustability I believe.

I am hoping more people pursue a 50 size bike (Honda, Kawasaki, even Yamaha with a more competitive bike to KTM and Cobra).



Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery failure now with Alta out of business?

The bike we had, they had to come here 3 times to replace it because in loam the bike would overheat and it would go into failure mode. The bike wouldn’t last more than 5 laps in deep sand, full charge new battery. Just curious..
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mx 219 wrote:
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who...
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who will jump into electric next and where will they start (anyone heard any rumors)? I see both KTM and Cobra seem to be calling the minis E5. So assuming they reference e5, will there continue to be 60's, 85s, 100, 125/250F, 450. Or do you think manufacturer's will try to combine a 65/85 with adjustability like how KTM did the e5 with 4 inches of adjustability I believe.

I am hoping more people pursue a 50 size bike (Honda, Kawasaki, even Yamaha with a more competitive bike to KTM and Cobra).



Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery...
Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery failure now with Alta out of business?

The bike we had, they had to come here 3 times to replace it because in loam the bike would overheat and it would go into failure mode. The bike wouldn’t last more than 5 laps in deep sand, full charge new battery. Just curious..
So Honda built this just for fun...

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2/29/2020 3:51pm
mx 219 wrote:
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who...
We are anxiously awaiting the new Honda Electric bike, or at least I am, mostly curious as to the price point. But what is next, who will jump into electric next and where will they start (anyone heard any rumors)? I see both KTM and Cobra seem to be calling the minis E5. So assuming they reference e5, will there continue to be 60's, 85s, 100, 125/250F, 450. Or do you think manufacturer's will try to combine a 65/85 with adjustability like how KTM did the e5 with 4 inches of adjustability I believe.

I am hoping more people pursue a 50 size bike (Honda, Kawasaki, even Yamaha with a more competitive bike to KTM and Cobra).



Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery...
Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery failure now with Alta out of business?

The bike we had, they had to come here 3 times to replace it because in loam the bike would overheat and it would go into failure mode. The bike wouldn’t last more than 5 laps in deep sand, full charge new battery. Just curious..
-MAVERICK- wrote:
So Honda built this just for fun...
So Honda built this just for fun...

That’s a prototype. No plans for production as of this point
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Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery...
Honda will not be making an electric production bike, so it’s going to be awhile. So, what do you guys do when you have a battery failure now with Alta out of business?

The bike we had, they had to come here 3 times to replace it because in loam the bike would overheat and it would go into failure mode. The bike wouldn’t last more than 5 laps in deep sand, full charge new battery. Just curious..
-MAVERICK- wrote:
So Honda built this just for fun...
So Honda built this just for fun...

That’s a prototype. No plans for production as of this point
Weird.
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2/29/2020 4:00pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
So Honda built this just for fun...
So Honda built this just for fun...

That’s a prototype. No plans for production as of this point
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Weird.
Well, I’m sure they will at some point but it’s going to be awhile. These manufactures make concept products all the time that never come to fruition. I suppose they will use it to learn how viable it is and what the market will be.
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Haters gonna hate, but in all the years of riding i've done, i've never had such a consistent smile on my face when riding as i've...
Haters gonna hate, but in all the years of riding i've done, i've never had such a consistent smile on my face when riding as i've had with my Altas. They truly are great bikes, and super competitive against the big gassers.

Pure fun every time i'm riding...
I remember watching you ripping those alta bikes all day at fox raceway a few weeks back with your generator set up. Looks like a blast. The suspension seems to work well with the different motor characteristics it was fun to watch, or you've got them really dialed.
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2/29/2020 5:50pm
I’d imagine Going all electric would destroy a lot of the aftermarket business over night. sponsership dollars would be even more hard to come by.
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Harley Davidson may be next,they've teased a dirt play bike. As to what I'm going with expanding into new markets and demographics.
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2/29/2020 8:48pm
Hopefully its dead. When we start riding electric motorcycles, I am done, and buying a boat.
See ya! Don’t need ya! Piss off and enjoy your boat.

Real dirt bike riders want to ride dirt bikes and DGAF how that power is supplied. You poser.
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2/29/2020 9:15pm
I’d imagine Going all electric would destroy a lot of the aftermarket business over night. sponsership dollars would be even more hard to come by.
Why? The market won’t be lost, it’ll just be different.
You’ll buy software instead of hardware.
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2/29/2020 9:44pm Edited Date/Time 2/29/2020 9:45pm
Hopefully its dead. When we start riding electric motorcycles, I am done, and buying a boat.
CG118 wrote:
See ya! Don’t need ya! Piss off and enjoy your boat. Real dirt bike riders want to ride dirt bikes and DGAF how that power is...
See ya! Don’t need ya! Piss off and enjoy your boat.

Real dirt bike riders want to ride dirt bikes and DGAF how that power is supplied. You poser.
LMAO.....love jackasses like you. 50 years old and been at this sport for 46 years. Probably been behind more gate drops than you will ever dream of.

And yeah, a whole bunch of do care how that power is delivered. My guess is, more of us like our gas motors or Alta and others would not be out of business.

But hey. Enjoy your Starbucks and charging your bike while we are out riding.
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2/29/2020 11:24pm
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Just gonna say it's very "cultish" the way most of y'all lash out a people who disagree. I despise the E bike movement. It's fucking stupid...
Just gonna say it's very "cultish" the way most of y'all lash out a people who disagree.

I despise the E bike movement. It's fucking stupid, it's no better for the enviroment and it won't save riding areas. Just saying. And the fact that there is no clutch or gear box management makes these things a nothing more that a power wheel toy. Desl with it. That's why you guys ride better, because it removes an integral part of the moto experience. Shifting.

I think it's a waste and dumb and that's my opinion. No amount of ad hominum attacks changes anything, in fact it points out the weakness of the arguments being made. The bikes and the "movement" should stand alone in persuading people to move over. Not attempting to brow beat them into accepting your opinion. Jesus why is everybody a dickheaded advocate these days?

You guys pining for an fucking E bike then make one, sell it or ride it and shut the fuck up.
BINGO!
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2/29/2020 11:33pm
I’d imagine Going all electric would destroy a lot of the aftermarket business over night. sponsership dollars would be even more hard to come by.
Why? The market won’t be lost, it’ll just be different.
You’ll buy software instead of hardware.
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in his moms basement writing software which only has a finite amount of adjustments. Not to mention the manufacturer will already have made an app available at purchase to make these adjustments by the new owner themselves. Good buy Mitch and every other ICE aftermarket company. I bet FMF is just overjoyed about battery powered motorcycles.
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I’d imagine Going all electric would destroy a lot of the aftermarket business over night. sponsership dollars would be even more hard to come by.
Why? The market won’t be lost, it’ll just be different.
You’ll buy software instead of hardware.
King KTM wrote:
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in...
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in his moms basement writing software which only has a finite amount of adjustments. Not to mention the manufacturer will already have made an app available at purchase to make these adjustments by the new owner themselves. Good buy Mitch and every other ICE aftermarket company. I bet FMF is just overjoyed about battery powered motorcycles.
I think that certainly is true, with electric you dont need many aftermarket parts.

My guess is the push that even started electric, besides Alta is from the government/EPAregulations that keep getting stricter, imagine if a democrat was in office right now, probably be even tougher regulations.

No aftermarket sponsors no racing, or much smaller racing. Be interesting to see where the sport goes in the next 20 years.
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3/1/2020 5:28am
Why? The market won’t be lost, it’ll just be different.
You’ll buy software instead of hardware.
King KTM wrote:
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in...
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in his moms basement writing software which only has a finite amount of adjustments. Not to mention the manufacturer will already have made an app available at purchase to make these adjustments by the new owner themselves. Good buy Mitch and every other ICE aftermarket company. I bet FMF is just overjoyed about battery powered motorcycles.
mx 219 wrote:
I think that certainly is true, with electric you dont need many aftermarket parts. My guess is the push that even started electric, besides Alta is...
I think that certainly is true, with electric you dont need many aftermarket parts.

My guess is the push that even started electric, besides Alta is from the government/EPAregulations that keep getting stricter, imagine if a democrat was in office right now, probably be even tougher regulations.

No aftermarket sponsors no racing, or much smaller racing. Be interesting to see where the sport goes in the next 20 years.
No need for Yamallube or HP branded oils like an ice engine either. The manufacturers own those brands?
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Every other manufacturer should just sit back and wait for Honda to clear the way. Once Honda has a bike (and they don't usually hold press meetings and make videos on prototypes..) it will sail right through the AMA and FIM rulebooks that no one else would be able to penetrate.

As far as development and rules go, the DIY models will most likely prove to be highly competitive. The rules with production really are a problem for some team to Mcgyver and create some different solutions and be much more flexible in ways that a manufacturer cannot.
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3/1/2020 7:39am
King KTM wrote:
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in...
I’m sure Mitch with all his expertise in software will be just ecstatic know his entire business has just been reduced to a millennial sitting in his moms basement writing software which only has a finite amount of adjustments. Not to mention the manufacturer will already have made an app available at purchase to make these adjustments by the new owner themselves. Good buy Mitch and every other ICE aftermarket company. I bet FMF is just overjoyed about battery powered motorcycles.
mx 219 wrote:
I think that certainly is true, with electric you dont need many aftermarket parts. My guess is the push that even started electric, besides Alta is...
I think that certainly is true, with electric you dont need many aftermarket parts.

My guess is the push that even started electric, besides Alta is from the government/EPAregulations that keep getting stricter, imagine if a democrat was in office right now, probably be even tougher regulations.

No aftermarket sponsors no racing, or much smaller racing. Be interesting to see where the sport goes in the next 20 years.
No need for Yamallube or HP branded oils like an ice engine either. The manufacturers own those brands?
Someone has to sponsor all the products for all those Homda and Yamaha Generators that will be making noise, burning fossil fuels, polluting the atmosphere.

No more indoor pits for any rSX or arenacrosses. Outside you go in the snow to charge that bike.

And how does the AMA make sure a more powerful battery is not being used in these bikes? How do they measure it after a moto when the charge has worn down?

Just my opinion the casual fan would have lose interest in the sport. Sound is a big generator of excitement in motorsports.
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3/1/2020 7:45am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2020 7:46am
Someone has to sponsor all the products for all those Homda and Yamaha Generators that will be making noise, burning fossil fuels, polluting the atmosphere. No...
Someone has to sponsor all the products for all those Homda and Yamaha Generators that will be making noise, burning fossil fuels, polluting the atmosphere.

No more indoor pits for any rSX or arenacrosses. Outside you go in the snow to charge that bike.

And how does the AMA make sure a more powerful battery is not being used in these bikes? How do they measure it after a moto when the charge has worn down?

Just my opinion the casual fan would have lose interest in the sport. Sound is a big generator of excitement in motorsports.
Good thing there are these things called electrical outlets inside......

How do you think the teams power their trucks when the pits are inside now?
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Yamaha is making motors available to other manufacturers. Guaranteed they have a YZ -E running around somewhere.

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/news/2020/0204/ev.html

Don't forget that Asia-Pacific market bought almost 110 Million motorcycles last year vs. 2 million in North America. China and India are already legislating that everything needs to go electric by 2040 (1 billion people in a country the size of Texas makes for a bit of a shit show pollution wise). For sure the big bike makers are going to want a halo product on the podium in MXGP and AMA SX so they can sell the crap out of a modern day electric "Super Cub" equivalent.

Bring it on I say, endless torque and no noise riding of an electric dirt bike would be great. Having it supported by major makers would bring it into mainstream.
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