Team Honda HRC Announces Rider Lineup for 2020 Season

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Seems to be rushed for Sexton but the Geico tent is getting crowded now. Surprised he isn’t running the #1 on east
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Also, probably spells the end of Craig on HRC 450s I would think
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They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
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Good for both of these guys. Brayton has always been steady and a true professional. I like it that Sexton will bring more energy into the 450 class with AC92 as well.
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Do you think the Aussie racing got Brayton a contract at HRC? I highly doubt it. He got a deal partly because they needed a SX-only...
Do you think the Aussie racing got Brayton a contract at HRC? I highly doubt it. He got a deal partly because they needed a SX-only rider, and partly because he raced for them in 2012, and partly because his past 3 seasons at MCR have re-established his relationship with American Honda.
Total speculation but I think Brayton was key in bringing factory support to MCR
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Sexton is a great rider and I think he has a good future in front of him, but does anyone find it a little odd that...
Sexton is a great rider and I think he has a good future in front of him, but does anyone find it a little odd that Factory Honda is grooming him to be the next RC? His 250 results have been very good and obviously he has a title to his name, but other 250 champs have had a hard time finding a 450 ride much less Factory Honda reserving your deal years in advance. Not trying to bag on the guy at all.
Not at all.

He's right in their wheel-house in the mould of Shorty, Brayton, Seely etc... consistent, smooth, clean-cut.

I'm just surprised it's happening this quick, but I guess it's if he gets moved up?
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109 wrote:
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed...
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
What did they owe Mookie? I'm sure Honda paid him his championship bonus in 2016. Brayton has won a 450 SX and had multiple podiums on a 450. Mookie has had some flashes on a 450. Seriously, I never understand the Mookie hype.
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Seems like that team was announced here a long time ago!
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November 16th - Auckland New Zealand, can't wait
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Look at Geico Honda’s future: JMart, Mumford, Craig, Shimoda, and the Lawrence brothers. Geico had to release RJ to have room for its youth, and I love what Honda HRC just signaled with JB10 and Sexton — bring the heat and success and we’ll reward you.
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Stewart will be front of Brayton but still I think its best for both. Mookie seems to be happy at small team that puts all effort for him without Factory pressure. Brayton will be good for HRC as well. It might even help Roczen to cool down with searching setups every race.

Who will be with Stewart and Freese on MCR?
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Knobbyjake wrote:
Didn't realize Brayton was so old. Him and old man Reed can battle for highest placing senior each round. Evil
I was curious about what shape i could get back recently, and found a study demonstrating that a 37 or 38 years old has the same athletic score than a 22 or 23 years old, lower than at 24 or 25 but higher than at 19 to 21 years old. I don't remember exactly all the numbers, but it was basically showing that the 30's are physically as much in their prime as the 20's. For instance usually the best in bicycle road racing are older than 25 and marathoneans are better between 30 to 45. Then it starts to decrease from 45 but the scores are still really good to 57-60 years old, in other words i understood better why lots of vet riders can still be very competitive (Dowd, Brown, etc, and i am sure most of us could not follow DeCoster on a bicycle).

The only difference is the recovery time in case of injury, but 30+ years old riders are also very often the most experienced and so the most precise, so are less injury prone. It makes more and more sense to have 30+ years old riders if their body and mind can still do it.

Back to the PR ; it is an original set up but very interesting, particularly to transition smoothly a 250 rider to the 450, and that leaves a great ride at MCR too, I wonder who will get that one.
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ElliotB16 wrote:
Seems to be rushed for Sexton but the Geico tent is getting crowded now. Surprised he isn’t running the #1 on east
Does seem like they are forcing the issue. I like Sexton but he could not even complete a full 250 outdoor season last year due to condition/experience health strength maturity , now a 450 is a better plan ? For HRC maybe not so much for Sexton. When you force things the chances of it breaking is greater. I hope he does well.
HRC have been infamous in not looking after talent - Carmichael , Rossi etc.
KTM have mastered the art of signing champions and keeping them - Plenty of data.

IMO it is not about the bike but the physcology of the team - Example Roger De Coster turned KTM's AMA effort into a winning unit - I know he fixed the bike big time and Kenny left just before still it is a team effort and the psyche mental edge are hugely NB in business or Moto.

HRC management do not seem to have as much of win attitude. It has been lacking the past decade. I think KTM are causing a Wake Up HRC but it is getting late ... How many KTM/Huskies campaign in AMA 450 and result as well compared to HRC. I must say KTM take the stats - HRC are making an effort KR and Dakar rally but have yet to define themselves as the team to beat for a long time, they appear as also ran. The Honda Works bike of old that won everything are long gone. They just won MX1 so they are making an effort and KR is very talented. They are just not at the top of the mountain.
Kawasaki are historically better know for work with developing riders.
It is all changing and evolving but that is my 5c of the last decade ...
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swtwtwtw 9/13/2019 1:35am
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4 years for Sexton, 2020-21-22-23, amazing.
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Smart move by HRC, but I thought Craig was going to race 2020 outdoors for HRC. JMart needs time to recover, and he could need a...
Smart move by HRC, but I thought Craig was going to race 2020 outdoors for HRC. JMart needs time to recover, and he could need a year to be 100%. As long as Jermey is healthy, Honda (Geico, HRC or MCR) will take care of him. Honda takes care of their people. Can’t wait to see who gets MCR’s third slot.
Is it possible that Craig will ride a 450 for Geico in 2020, getting baseline settings for Martin in 2021?
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109 wrote:
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed...
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
This is an unpopular opinion, but it’s a true one. Millie deserves it. Brayton is a great guy and rider, but he’s had several shots on serious teams. Mookie hasn’t gotten his yet.
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swtwtwtw wrote:
4 years for Sexton, 2020-21-22-23, amazing.
Thats a lot of eggs in a very small basket.
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109 wrote:
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed...
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
Mookie has never beaten JB in the points in SX.
A 250 title means nothing in that class. Almost everyone has a title.
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davis224 wrote:
Is it possible that Craig will ride a 450 for Geico in 2020, getting baseline settings for Martin in 2021?
I dont think Craig deserves a 450 ride but the last years have been full of hiccups, I'd love to see him on a geico 450 for a year and then JMart goes in, seems like a good plan!
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109 wrote:
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed...
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
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Mookie has never beaten JB in the points in SX.
A 250 title means nothing in that class. Almost everyone has a title.
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
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He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling...
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
Not sure which SX races you are watching to come to these conclusions.
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so.... Cole's not coming back?
Jarid... I think Vital is too mainstream that this post went over so poorly. The OG’s are very sorry for your loss. We hope you still continue to watch the actual dirt bike racing as you follow Cole over to YouTube for the VLogSxChampshionship, as he’s surely the early favorite for next year. Cool
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BD233 9/13/2019 7:40am
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He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling...
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
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Not sure which SX races you are watching to come to these conclusions.
Just sit back and watch 2020 SX. A lot of people are going to be surprised my Mookie.
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109 wrote:
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed...
They owed Mookie that deal. JB is 35, on the wind down, been at HRC 7 years ago. Mook won a sx championship and go screwed. 10 years younger and way more upside potential.
crusty_xx wrote:
Mookie has never beaten JB in the points in SX.
A 250 title means nothing in that class. Almost everyone has a title.
BD233 wrote:
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling...
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has never finished in the top 5.

Brayton had 9 top 10's and a top 5 just last season alone. In 2018 he was in the top 10 in 15 of 17 races, had a couple of podiums and won a race.

Whether or not Brayton should be on a factory team is one thing, but comparing him to Mookie is laughable.
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BD233 9/13/2019 8:18am
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crusty_xx wrote:
Mookie has never beaten JB in the points in SX.
A 250 title means nothing in that class. Almost everyone has a title.
BD233 wrote:
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling...
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
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Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has...
Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has never finished in the top 5.

Brayton had 9 top 10's and a top 5 just last season alone. In 2018 he was in the top 10 in 15 of 17 races, had a couple of podiums and won a race.

Whether or not Brayton should be on a factory team is one thing, but comparing him to Mookie is laughable.
We'll see where they finish in points this season. Results don't lie. All those past stats mean nothing coming into a new year. Nothing. IDC because I'm a Roczen guy but I'd bet $1 Mookie finishes higher in the points than Brayton.
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BD233 wrote:
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling...
He will this year. Mookie is a top 5, race win guy right now in SX. Brayton is a filler. With all the young talent struggling for rides I hate seeing factories waste whole seasons on dudes in their twilight years. That's what satellite teams are for. Brayton is a solid guy, but factory ride guy, nah.
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Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has...
Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has never finished in the top 5.

Brayton had 9 top 10's and a top 5 just last season alone. In 2018 he was in the top 10 in 15 of 17 races, had a couple of podiums and won a race.

Whether or not Brayton should be on a factory team is one thing, but comparing him to Mookie is laughable.
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We'll see where they finish in points this season. Results don't lie. All those past stats mean nothing coming into a new year. Nothing. IDC because...
We'll see where they finish in points this season. Results don't lie. All those past stats mean nothing coming into a new year. Nothing. IDC because I'm a Roczen guy but I'd bet $1 Mookie finishes higher in the points than Brayton.
"Results don't lie"

I agree, which is why I posted them.

I don't care enough to even bet $1, but I'm sure someone will take you up on it.

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If Malcom completes all points paying races and finishes the season he will have more points than Justin.

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Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has...
Mookie has raced in the 450SX class 33 times, and in those 33 starts he has finished in the top 10 only 7 times. He has never finished in the top 5.

Brayton had 9 top 10's and a top 5 just last season alone. In 2018 he was in the top 10 in 15 of 17 races, had a couple of podiums and won a race.

Whether or not Brayton should be on a factory team is one thing, but comparing him to Mookie is laughable.
BD233 wrote:
We'll see where they finish in points this season. Results don't lie. All those past stats mean nothing coming into a new year. Nothing. IDC because...
We'll see where they finish in points this season. Results don't lie. All those past stats mean nothing coming into a new year. Nothing. IDC because I'm a Roczen guy but I'd bet $1 Mookie finishes higher in the points than Brayton.
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"Results don't lie" I agree, which is why I posted them. I don't care enough to even bet $1, but I'm sure someone will take you...
"Results don't lie"

I agree, which is why I posted them.

I don't care enough to even bet $1, but I'm sure someone will take you up on it.

Results don't lie, as in current results. Pretending not to understand the response by playing the semantics game, gotta love Vital. If you didn't care, why respond?
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Results don't lie, as in current results. Pretending not to understand the response by playing the semantics game, gotta love Vital. If you didn't care, why...
Results don't lie, as in current results. Pretending not to understand the response by playing the semantics game, gotta love Vital. If you didn't care, why respond?
Basing the FACTS of your argument on events that haven't happened yet may be peak Vital.
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Mookie will basically get a factory bike racing for a smaller team which I think fits him. And Honda has never and will never deal with Big James. Not for JS7 and not for Mookie.

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