E-bikes categorized as non-motorized by Interior Secretary!

8/31/2019 7:32pm
You obviously didn’t see the horrendous E-Bike MXGP showing.

It can be done. It is not that much fun.
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8/31/2019 7:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/4/2019 8:11pm
You obviously didn’t see the horrendous E-Bike MXGP showing.

It can be done. It is not that much fun.
That's because they're going about it all the wrong way. A better way to do it would be like a massively oversized BMX track. Like a dirt jump run with jumps the size you see in freeride parks or larger
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8/31/2019 7:40pm
You obviously didn’t see the horrendous E-Bike MXGP showing.

It can be done. It is not that much fun.
" It can be done. It is not that much fun."

And you know this how? Because Vital MTB told you so? Stevie Wonder could see that the track they used was far from optimal. I bet the racers still had a good time though.
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8/31/2019 8:28pm
That's awesome. I was surprised to see the California Energy Commission is working on some off-road charging infrastructure programs. I'll see if I can track down...
That's awesome. I was surprised to see the California Energy Commission is working on some off-road charging infrastructure programs. I'll see if I can track down any more info.
Don't get your hopes up.

They have been "working on " the high speed rail project for 10 years and not one single mile is operational.

California ranks 49th out of 50 in infrastructure for a reason, they are completely dysfunctional and never get anything done (not to mention the state is totally corrupt)
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8/31/2019 8:41pm
zehn wrote:
That's because they're going about it all the wrong way. A better way to do it would be like a massively oversized BMX track. Like a...
That's because they're going about it all the wrong way. A better way to do it would be like a massively oversized BMX track. Like a dirt jump run with jumps the size you see in freeride parks or larger
Can’t disagree about that. I’m all for pedal assisted bikes. Love it. I don’t have one...yet.
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9/1/2019 4:43am
zippytech wrote:
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike? I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff...
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike?

I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff gets popular enough some one will make aftermarket parts to do it
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the...
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the outdoors having a new outlet to do so with a little boost so they enjoy life.
Who’s getting hurt ?
What’s getting destroyed?
I’m really having a hard time understanding what the negatives are of people having a little assist to be able to want to enjoy life and the great outdoors.
There pedal assist bicycles . It’s not a fucking dirtbike and as far as I know there not racing them with our pedal bikes.
Bottom line is what is so wrong about people enjoying life?
Nothing I said was being negative. I think it's great. I was just saying it won't be long before these things are getting huge HP gains

Cause humans cannot just leave it alone.
9/1/2019 7:22am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 8:07am
That's awesome. I was surprised to see the California Energy Commission is working on some off-road charging infrastructure programs. I'll see if I can track down...
That's awesome. I was surprised to see the California Energy Commission is working on some off-road charging infrastructure programs. I'll see if I can track down any more info.
Don't get your hopes up. They have been "working on " the high speed rail project for 10 years and not one single mile is operational...
Don't get your hopes up.

They have been "working on " the high speed rail project for 10 years and not one single mile is operational.

California ranks 49th out of 50 in infrastructure for a reason, they are completely dysfunctional and never get anything done (not to mention the state is totally corrupt)
Weird, most CA towns have more bike lanes and crosswalks than my entire state. What is judged to get this ranking?
9/1/2019 7:24am Edited Date/Time 9/1/2019 7:27am
zippytech wrote:
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike? I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff...
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike?

I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff gets popular enough some one will make aftermarket parts to do it
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the...
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the outdoors having a new outlet to do so with a little boost so they enjoy life.
Who’s getting hurt ?
What’s getting destroyed?
I’m really having a hard time understanding what the negatives are of people having a little assist to be able to want to enjoy life and the great outdoors.
There pedal assist bicycles . It’s not a fucking dirtbike and as far as I know there not racing them with our pedal bikes.
Bottom line is what is so wrong about people enjoying life?
My KOM’s on Strava. Cool

My wife has a Specialized eBike for the road. It’s great! We did 30 miles yesterday at about 18.5 mph and she can keep up while still burning 800 calories. The only time we fight on rides now is when she goes 20mph up steep climbs and leaves me behind. 😂
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9/1/2019 7:25am
zippytech wrote:
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike? I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff...
Is the park rangers really going to test each bike?

I not saying people should do it. but I know they will and if the stuff gets popular enough some one will make aftermarket parts to do it
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the...
I’m really having a hard time understanding all the negativity about these bikes . What’s the issue with people that share the same love for the outdoors having a new outlet to do so with a little boost so they enjoy life.
Who’s getting hurt ?
What’s getting destroyed?
I’m really having a hard time understanding what the negatives are of people having a little assist to be able to want to enjoy life and the great outdoors.
There pedal assist bicycles . It’s not a fucking dirtbike and as far as I know there not racing them with our pedal bikes.
Bottom line is what is so wrong about people enjoying life?
zippytech wrote:
Nothing I said was being negative. I think it's great. I was just saying it won't be long before these things are getting huge HP gains...
Nothing I said was being negative. I think it's great. I was just saying it won't be long before these things are getting huge HP gains

Cause humans cannot just leave it alone.
I think the bicycle components will prevent that. You can't run a whole lot of power through a bicycle drive train without stuff snapping, bending, etc. You would have to buy a new battery and controller to get more out of the motor, then you would have to know how to program the controller so I'm guessing anyone who is smart enough to know how to do that will realize their skinny ass bicycle chain is going to snap in about 3 minutes of riding the thing.
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9/1/2019 7:27pm
BikeGuy321 wrote:
People get upset about E-bikes because they're self righteous snobs. It's like a "wine expert" telling you that you should NEVER drink white zinfandel. Hikers and...
People get upset about E-bikes because they're self righteous snobs. It's like a "wine expert" telling you that you should NEVER drink white zinfandel. Hikers and other non-bicyclists say the same things about regular bikes that e bike haters say about e bikes.

E-bike haters are like that guy in a BMW going super slow in the fast lane, who won't move to the right because he's so much better than everyone else by default.Huh

This is what blows my mind . The hikers bitch about the bikers The bikers bitch about ebikes when in reality everyone is just trying to...
This is what blows my mind .
The hikers bitch about the bikers
The bikers bitch about ebikes when in reality everyone is just trying to enjoy life and be happy. It blows my mind how people get so tribal over bullshit when we’re all just trying to enjoy life.

Around here it’s Subaru and Prius divers 8/10 times
Theres plenty of land for folks to hike and bird watch. Theres plenty of land for people to jog. Theres very little land for mountain biking and they should expand this and fuck the hikers and bird watchers.

We have millions of acres of Everglades for people to hike and bird watch, and we have only like 5 MTB parks within 2 hours drive. We have miles and miles of parks and beaches to run and do other shit, so many stick and ball parks and dog parks. Let the MTB parks alone and let us ride ebikes and regular bikes. Just limit it to something under 25 mph and you must pedal. Once you lose the pedals and have only a throttle, then you gotta go to another track.
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9/1/2019 9:05pm
My neighbour mounted a 3KW motor on his current mountain bike, with a kit from China (similar to https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32804959131.html ).

With his current battery he does about 20km on a full charge and rides around 60km/h.

According to google 3KW is the equivalent of 4HP.
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9/1/2019 10:37pm
loftyair wrote:
So whats the most powerful, longest lasting ebike right now? Oh, and cheap! I just want to casual ride, far and fast!
GuyB wrote:
Powerful, long-lasting, and cheap.

Pick two...or maybe one.
Check out the vitus somet e version from chain reaction cycles
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9/2/2019 12:43am Edited Date/Time 9/2/2019 12:44am
I could be old and paranoid but I think they did it to create clusterfucks of fat lazy bastards overcrowding the trails and creating a reason to ban all bikes from the trails. Sorry not trying to be negative Nancy but I don't trust em. I just don't...
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9/4/2019 6:07pm
Ebikes are limited to 1 hp for this rule. Yes ebikes are like quads to non e bike groups. As were 4 strokes to two. People just dont like and cant imagine change. Its coming so embrace it or be left behind.
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9/4/2019 8:33pm
Just picked this up a month ago, it is so much fun and still a great workout, just not as cardio focused. No trail access restrictions around where I live.


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9/4/2019 9:16pm
nytsmaC wrote:
Just picked this up a month ago, it is so much fun and still a great workout, just not as cardio focused. No trail access restrictions...
Just picked this up a month ago, it is so much fun and still a great workout, just not as cardio focused. No trail access restrictions around where I live.


How do you like the decoy??

I’ve only ever demo’d a turbo levo and loved it.
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9/5/2019 10:14am
Bigoldbeef wrote:
How do you like the decoy??

I’ve only ever demo’d a turbo levo and loved it.
Loving it so far. It arrived with a dead dropper post so after getting that warrantied I’ve only gotten to ride it 4 days but no complaints. I rode it two days at the silverstar bike park as my DH bike was in the shop queue with broken spokes and it was more fun to ride on 90% of the trails, other than the auper steep and rough stuff.

It’s an XXL and weights 52lbs but honestly cannot feel the extra weight when riding. I had a new Capra 27.5 last year and this bike is more poppy/playful/agile feeling than it was.
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9/5/2019 2:03pm
For anyone who doesn't know, here is a summary of class 1, 2, and 3 ebike specs, power is limited to 750 watts (1 horsepower)

9/5/2019 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 9/5/2019 5:21pm
nytsmaC wrote:
Loving it so far. It arrived with a dead dropper post so after getting that warrantied I’ve only gotten to ride it 4 days but no...
Loving it so far. It arrived with a dead dropper post so after getting that warrantied I’ve only gotten to ride it 4 days but no complaints. I rode it two days at the silverstar bike park as my DH bike was in the shop queue with broken spokes and it was more fun to ride on 90% of the trails, other than the auper steep and rough stuff.

It’s an XXL and weights 52lbs but honestly cannot feel the extra weight when riding. I had a new Capra 27.5 last year and this bike is more poppy/playful/agile feeling than it was.
Thanks for the info. I’m gonna order one, just kinda waiting for when they come out with the 700WH battery.

How was YT’s customer service?
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9/5/2019 8:28pm
sumdood wrote:
I could be old and paranoid but I think they did it to create clusterfucks of fat lazy bastards overcrowding the trails and creating a reason...
I could be old and paranoid but I think they did it to create clusterfucks of fat lazy bastards overcrowding the trails and creating a reason to ban all bikes from the trails. Sorry not trying to be negative Nancy but I don't trust em. I just don't...
Have you ever actually ridden or seen these things in person? If you have you would understand that a fat lazy bastard isn't just hopping on one of these things and becoming an expert mountain biker. . .
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9/5/2019 10:54pm
Haha! Non moto buache'saise' haha!@$!
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9/6/2019 3:30pm
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Loving it so far. It arrived with a dead dropper post so after getting that warrantied I’ve only gotten to ride it 4 days but no...
Loving it so far. It arrived with a dead dropper post so after getting that warrantied I’ve only gotten to ride it 4 days but no complaints. I rode it two days at the silverstar bike park as my DH bike was in the shop queue with broken spokes and it was more fun to ride on 90% of the trails, other than the auper steep and rough stuff.

It’s an XXL and weights 52lbs but honestly cannot feel the extra weight when riding. I had a new Capra 27.5 last year and this bike is more poppy/playful/agile feeling than it was.
Bigoldbeef wrote:
Thanks for the info. I’m gonna order one, just kinda waiting for when they come out with the 700WH battery.

How was YT’s customer service?
It’s been fine for me, I’ve had 3 YT’s now. I’ve had minor issues with each bike and YT has been good to deal with on it.

Had my Capra last year and the shitty RaceFace PF92 bottom bracket blew up on the second or third ride, I upgraded it. When I told YT it had happened they said I should have contacted them and they would have warrantied it for me. It was a part I intended to upgrade it anyways so I wasn’t worried about it.

Bought a Tues this summer and I’ve been breaking a lot of spokes on the carbon E13 wheelset. Contacted E13 about it directly and they’ve offered to send me a full set of new spokes. I’m tired of having to replace them after almost every ride though, it’s not really a good solution for me, so I’ve just recently reached out to YT for some assistance. I’m expecting a new replacement wheelset, as others have received. I plan on upgrading to a WeAreOne set this off-season.

The Fox Transfer dropper post on the Decoy arrived with a dead charge, they have a high pressure nitrogen tube that is not serviceable. I sent it in to Fox and had it back in my hands in less than a week.

We’ll see what their resolution is with the wheels, all I know is I don’t expect I should have to continue to deal with breaking spokes constantly, it’s frustrating. At this point a new wheelset would be a nice goodwill gesture and many others have gotten that type of treatment, so I have high expectations.
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9/7/2019 5:30am Edited Date/Time 9/7/2019 5:31am
Electric bikes will allow riding in places one should not ride like golf courses ,Appalachian trail and such,

Which will reflect on all riders of motorcycle s getting more sh it banned by tree hugging dirt people.

Stamp this

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