Should America not race MXON?

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DeStouwer 6/18/2019 1:03pm
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"FIM should help with the costs."

Okay. Or maybe Team USA could audit their delegation and don't bring 500 people with them. This whining started when they started losing the overall wins. It's just as simple as that.
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Mr. Afterbar 6/18/2019 1:07pm
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Crossup wrote:
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team...
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team managers, press, podcasts, etc that make this event not as interesting, or compatible (competitive) as it was in the past. 1. American racers, teams, bike set up, training, incentives, sponsorship commitments being Supercross focused. 2. FIM biases (Scheduling/time of year, venues, track setup, drug testing, etc)
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Can you clarify what you mean about FIM biases & Drug testing?
All three Americans were "randomly selected" at Red Bud for drug testing. I can't remember the exact number of riders tested, but I believe it was less than ten. Chances of that being random are so insane that it's amazing the FIM would even consider testing all three Americans.

Edit: My mistake. It was fuel testing, not drug testing.
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Brad460 6/18/2019 1:07pm
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Brad460 wrote:
Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC
redneckmotox wrote:
No on tomac. We want guys that actualy want to be there
Scratch Eli then...

JA, AC and Webb or Zach? Leaning toward Webb...

Webb, JA and AC
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On Pulp, I think they suggested every third year in the US, but that's pretty generous, proportionately speaking. Anyway, their main complaint was the schedule, then cost. The schedule is a huge problem without even considering the MXDN. It fosters burnout even at the top level and worsens racing by providing little time for recovery from any type of injury, which has other unfortunate side effects like pushing riders to try and compete while injured, riding with concussions and whatnot. The schedule conflict with MXDN is an external symptom of a problem that's internal to the US promoters, but yeah of course it's someone else's fault because we don't have any mirrors in this country. .
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yak651 6/18/2019 1:14pm
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Crossup wrote:
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team...
We clearly have competitive talent in the US that can go every year. There seems to be two issues that keep coming up between riders, team managers, press, podcasts, etc that make this event not as interesting, or compatible (competitive) as it was in the past. 1. American racers, teams, bike set up, training, incentives, sponsorship commitments being Supercross focused. 2. FIM biases (Scheduling/time of year, venues, track setup, drug testing, etc)
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Can you clarify what you mean about FIM biases & Drug testing?
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
All three Americans were "randomly selected" at Red Bud for drug testing. I can't remember the exact number of riders tested, but I believe it was...
All three Americans were "randomly selected" at Red Bud for drug testing. I can't remember the exact number of riders tested, but I believe it was less than ten. Chances of that being random are so insane that it's amazing the FIM would even consider testing all three Americans.

Edit: My mistake. It was fuel testing, not drug testing.
Was it drug testing or testing their fuel?
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Lucifa. 6/18/2019 1:15pm
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If they don't go, the USA will look like a bunch of sore losers so I hope they turn up.
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yak651 6/18/2019 1:16pm
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seventeen wrote:
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least...
I say host the race every other year in the USA so the Euros can feel the pinch of the travel equally...or at the very least move the race to right after the last national...not six weeks down the road in the middle of SX prep...
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What if i told you that the American nationals and their scheduling is as big of an issue as the GPs? There was a thread about...
What if i told you that the American nationals and their scheduling is as big of an issue as the GPs? There was a thread about this before the 2017 or 2018 MXdN and the nationals end way sooner than back in the day.

Both series are at fault for the big break between the last round of US nationals and MXdN.
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Exactly this. I said back then that would it really be that hard for both parts to agree to minor changes in their schedule to make...
Exactly this. I said back then that would it really be that hard for both parts to agree to minor changes in their schedule to make everyone happy. Have the GPs end a week or two earlier and the nationals a week or two later. Hard to imagine anyone in the US having a problem with having a week more off after SX and have an extra week off in the middle of the season.
Yep, give US riders a break in July. TV schedule gets messed up with Tour De France anyhow, give the riders 2 weeks off to recover from nagging injuries. Guys behind the 8 ball get some testing time. The MXGP schedule can get rid of the goofy breaks in the beginning of their schedule (I know, their national championships...)
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Im 28 years old, When I was younger I never cared about this race. We also had some studs when I was coming up so it seemed like a no brainer we would win.

The race didn't matter to me until we started losing, I hate losing. Being at Red Bud last year was an amazing experience, even though i've been there multiple times for national.

And losing it sucked ass

I would be extremely disappointed if we didn't field a team because the fear of losing.

I understand stalling them out for the political reasons, but don't cite the reason "Because we wont win"
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redneckmotox 6/18/2019 1:25pm
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Brad460 wrote:
Team USA right now:

Tomac, JA and AC
redneckmotox wrote:
No on tomac. We want guys that actualy want to be there
Brad460 wrote:
Scratch Eli then...

JA, AC and Webb or Zach? Leaning toward Webb...

Webb, JA and AC
JA and AC for sure. You cant go wrong with either CW or ZO. Doesnt really matter to me honestly, I just want to see guys that have pride, want to be there representing their country, and will actualy lay their balls over the handlebars and go for it
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redneckmotox wrote:
No on tomac. We want guys that actualy want to be there
Brad460 wrote:
Scratch Eli then...

JA, AC and Webb or Zach? Leaning toward Webb...

Webb, JA and AC
redneckmotox wrote:
JA and AC for sure. You cant go wrong with either CW or ZO. Doesnt really matter to me honestly, I just want to see guys...
JA and AC for sure. You cant go wrong with either CW or ZO. Doesnt really matter to me honestly, I just want to see guys that have pride, want to be there representing their country, and will actualy lay their balls over the handlebars and go for it
I would send ZO due to his experience in the GPs. And he’s been riding extremely well.
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Titan1 6/18/2019 2:04pm
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The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about it. The only people who care are some nostalgic old school fans...
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Mr. Afterbar 6/18/2019 2:23pm
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yak651 wrote:
Was it drug testing or testing their fuel?
My bad. It was fuel, but I do believe it was “random”. Fuel was tested from 8 bikes, 3 being team USA.
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Nighttrain 6/18/2019 2:31pm
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Titan1 wrote:
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about...
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about it. The only people who care are some nostalgic old school fans...
This is the painful truth. I hope we send a team but I’m sitting in the old school nostalgic section of the stands.
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wolf918 6/18/2019 2:48pm
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Tomac can’t go without his team, but I’d like to see tomac, roczen, and ac. How many years will it be before roczen rides for team USA?
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The truth is that there isn’t a single valid reason why a USA team shouldn’t show up to the MXoN.

For every one of the potential reasons thrown up in this thread, I bet you could name at least half a dozen national teams that face those same problems every year but still manage to find a way to send a team.

In my view, it would be one of the worst displays of sportsmanship if the US decided not to enter.
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Mr. Afterbar 6/18/2019 2:49pm
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wolf918 wrote:
Tomac can’t go without his team, but I’d like to see tomac, roczen, and ac. How many years will it be before roczen rides for team...
Tomac can’t go without his team, but I’d like to see tomac, roczen, and ac. How many years will it be before roczen rides for team USA?
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im half persuaded for going to see the race in assen. if us team wont show up i probably wont go too... i can go to an mxgp race almost every other week but ALWAYS us riders bring something special, even if they are not winning. last year mxdn was in america so its been a while for european fans!
JOE_SPROCKETS#1 6/18/2019 3:05pm
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Titan1 wrote:
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about...
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about it. The only people who care are some nostalgic old school fans...
Nighttrain wrote:
This is the painful truth. I hope we send a team but I’m sitting in the old school nostalgic section of the stands.
This is bullshit. Have you been to a National this year? Went to highpoint and it’s was slammed with fans.
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PJRAUS 6/18/2019 3:07pm
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It would be nice to see American race teams have the budget to support some motocross only specialists...they just race mx...no supercross, then they would not have any issues with event timing and they could pick a team with no issues about not wanting to go due to sheduling .
I dont think much of supercross anymore..seems like all it does is take away from motocross in one way or another and for me, motocross is the real sport..
Tomac , Osborne and Ciancurilio would be odds on favourites at Assen in my opinion...I think Osborne and AC wouldnt hesitate to accept a nomination
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RichardLoots 6/18/2019 3:09pm
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Titan1 wrote:
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about...
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about it. The only people who care are some nostalgic old school fans...
how many people were at MXON Redbud ? didnt look like nobody cared anymore , it was packed both days

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LoudLove 6/18/2019 3:20pm
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ROI for US-based teams is poor, as they can spend a fraction of the MXoN's cost competing in the MEC, and generate 10X the exposure in the process. Pride takes a backseat to managing expenses and increasing revenues. Those who want US representation can step up and provide funding. Otherwise, you're just spending other people's money on a one-off race with more risk than reward.
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Brad460 6/18/2019 3:24pm
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Titan1 wrote:
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about...
The MXON doesn't matter any more...USA has lost interest in motocross. Our riders don't care about it...our teams don't care about it...our sponsors don't care about it. The only people who care are some nostalgic old school fans...
Not true..
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Baton Rouge 6/18/2019 3:40pm
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They must send a team to represent the country !

Riders still care about the nations ! J.Anderson did everything he could last year to return from injury earlier in order to be picked up for the MXON ! Multiple riders still want so bad to be in the team for the nations !

The main problem is the schedule !

I would love to see Mx Sport and Youthstream sit around a table and work it out ! The ama nationals need to end 1/2 weeks later and the GP need to end 2/3 weeks earlier. It is in both their interests to have the team USA at the nations ! DC and Luongo need to talk about it !

Stop saying nobody cares about the MXON, it is probably the event the most talked on social media and bringing the biggest crown every year to a single motocross event.
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Ooh, they should do car wash fund raisers after press day, and a bake sale on race day... maybe go door to door and sell candy bars, too.
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ATKpilot99 6/18/2019 4:11pm
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They should race . Not showing up after last years debacle would be weak.
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theprizefighter 6/18/2019 4:20pm
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MOTO732 wrote:
Without the USA there it's basically just an off season MXGP race that nobody would care about.
Last Braaap wrote:
Don't toot your own horn too much. i will watch it either way. It is the yearly olympics of MX.
It’s still not as good when the USA isn’t there. Everyone wants to see them get beat.
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theprizefighter 6/18/2019 4:21pm
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Lucifa. wrote:
If they don't go, the USA will look like a bunch of sore losers so I hope they turn up.
They are sore losers.
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bowl 6/18/2019 4:22pm
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Who cares, the race will go on with or without the usa...
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smee113 wrote:
1) The FIM does not pay the expenses of other long distance teams such as Canada, Brazil, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. Brazil often ends up...
1) The FIM does not pay the expenses of other long distance teams such as Canada, Brazil, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. Brazil often ends up in the B-Final, but they still show up every year.

If I remember correctly, the US is supposed to host the MXoN every 4 years now, meaning that the event becomes long distance for every country besides the US and Canada. So collectively, it's actually worse for Europe.

2) It was the US that decided to end our schedule earlier in the year. The MXoN schedule has remained largely the same, so why should the MXoN change to accommodate our schedule?

3) Other countries go every year to finish far worse than we do. Countries like Ukraine, Iceland, and Greece go every year despite never making the A Finals.

Sorry, but I don't think it's a coincidence that this started becoming an issue when we started losing. I'd rather go and finish 15th every year, then not show up. We're better than that, or least we should be.
Best post on the subject and thank god for some honesty.
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jeffro503 6/18/2019 4:39pm
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I don't buy the " cost " excuse , but I totally understand the scheduling conflict of it.

There are three huge series on this planet....GP's and the SX / Nationals.

The MXoN's always seems to happen within about 2 weeks right after the last GP , and 97% of the time , it's over on that side of the world. Our guy's have to keep motivated and training like 4 - 6 more weeks after our series is over ( They started in January for SX ). They aren't racing anything , and after 9 months of doing nothing but racing.......I can totally see why some wouldn't want to go.

Also......does someone have that yearly date / previous schedule of when the MXoN's happen? From what I remember , it's like 3 - 4 weeks later then what it used to be. Anyways , I hope our guy's go , but I don't blame any of the rider's or team member's for not wanting to extend their yearly schedule by 6 weeks longer for a bragging rights race.
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