Budds Creek MX Today - MX Turnouts... what do we do?

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3/24/2019 12:54pm
mxridr wrote:
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led...
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age

I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led to nagging our parents until they couldn’t take it anymore finally caving in and letting us get a real dirt bike!

kids don’t rush home from school anymore to ride their BMX bikes around the neighborhood. They rush home to the iDevices, Playstations, Nintendos, and Xboxes. A lot of times the young kids just aren’t as excited about dirt bikes as we were
This is exactly right. I've been saying this for a while now as well. You drive around on a nice summer day here and you don't see many kids playing outside. Used to be they would be out playing baseball, football or shooting hoops.
Or just playing outside. Not all, but many have become soft.
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3/24/2019 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 5:20pm
I’ve ran D13 for a while. Rising costs, less riders/class and less ride time have made me decide to switch to another series. I personally think that there are too many classes now, which may contribute to less riders per class and less ride time.
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It is 59° right now, with a high of 63°. Not a cloud the sky. Rain last week, so great moisture on a pro national race...
It is 59° right now, with a high of 63°. Not a cloud the sky. Rain last week, so great moisture on a pro national race track.

Round 1 AMA D13 and they’re are MAYBE 110 riders here. I don’t see anyone from PA, OH, NY, WV trying to get some track time in good weather.

I’ve been racing on/ off for 25 years. I remember turnouts in 125c and 250c combined being larger than the entire turnout today, especially in spring where riders cave from all over chasing good weather.

What the hell can we do?

RACE!

I know everyone wants bike time, but race tracks need turnouts. Instead of being pro particles, we need to race our damn dirt bikes. Less classes for a shorter day? Then everyone doesn’t get a trophy - doesn’t work for some people. I don’t really have an answer. But, I have decided that if I have a day to ride, I will race if it is at all possible. I feel that’s the best I can do.

I love this sport. I fear where it will be in 20 years.
Why do we need to RACE? I rode all day today, and didn’t have to pay an entrance fee. Also, didn’t have to sit through 6 motos of kids on 50’s idling around. Rode everything from hard enduro type shit, to some coal hills, to a GP style field track...and more....and didn’t pay a dime.

MX (racing) has lost its appeal to a lot of people. Just not worth the $$$. I enjoy going to the practice day with my bros, and pounding out a bunch of laps.
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Looking at what Tomahawk had on their FB page, everyone was there today.

I wanted to get into racing after a long hiatus. The class structure with endless classes and small, per class, fields make racing less appealing. In the spring and summer I recall having 60+ riders in both the 125 C and B classes. Even low days were 30 on the gate.

I don’t know what it would take, but bikes that are $9-$10k msrp isn’t it.
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3/24/2019 5:06pm
PRM31 wrote:
Looking at what Tomahawk had on their FB page, everyone was there today. I wanted to get into racing after a long hiatus. The class structure...
Looking at what Tomahawk had on their FB page, everyone was there today.

I wanted to get into racing after a long hiatus. The class structure with endless classes and small, per class, fields make racing less appealing. In the spring and summer I recall having 60+ riders in both the 125 C and B classes. Even low days were 30 on the gate.

I don’t know what it would take, but bikes that are $9-$10k msrp isn’t it.
Leftovers are $5800-6200 new.
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3/24/2019 5:11pm
mxridr wrote:
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led...
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age

I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led to nagging our parents until they couldn’t take it anymore finally caving in and letting us get a real dirt bike!

kids don’t rush home from school anymore to ride their BMX bikes around the neighborhood. They rush home to the iDevices, Playstations, Nintendos, and Xboxes. A lot of times the young kids just aren’t as excited about dirt bikes as we were
This and the over protective parents who watch the news all day.
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These days I get absolutely nothing out of racing. However, getting to ride at my discretion, all day, is what I enjoy now an it appears that there are many at the tracks, anyday, that are thinking the same as I am at least where I am.
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3/24/2019 5:20pm
Schenk829 wrote:
MDRA is at sleepy, this place has some good turnouts and only 4 hours from budds so take that into consideration
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time at practice and 2 stops for rider assistance...



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Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time...
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time at practice and 2 stops for rider assistance...



And I still got more time then a race day hahahah
3/24/2019 5:43pm
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time...
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time at practice and 2 stops for rider assistance...



Naanak wrote:
And I still got more time then a race day hahahah
You must have been one of the smart ones and got there early!?
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3/24/2019 5:55pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 5:56pm
Schenk829 wrote:
MDRA is at sleepy, this place has some good turnouts and only 4 hours from budds so take that into consideration
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time...
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time at practice and 2 stops for rider assistance...



This kinda Bums me out to see , because i can remember when moto looked that way full gates etc
And i would love to see it again , im thinking its got to have more to do with jumps than people are admitting like some have talked about moto being too supercrossy and wishing
Tracks where more natural terrain and i think this kind of shows that a lot of people want that , there isnt much for jumps in this form of racing correct?
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3/24/2019 6:30pm
mxridr wrote:
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led...
the electronic gadgets have taken over at a young age

I bet most of us when we were kids started on BMX bikes. BMX bikes led to nagging our parents until they couldn’t take it anymore finally caving in and letting us get a real dirt bike!

kids don’t rush home from school anymore to ride their BMX bikes around the neighborhood. They rush home to the iDevices, Playstations, Nintendos, and Xboxes. A lot of times the young kids just aren’t as excited about dirt bikes as we were
They got too much stuff. It’s our fault but my kids got to much. It’s a result of me not having anything growing up. Got my son a dirt bike when he was 4. He’s 7 going on 8. He rides it. He loves it. But he doesn’t ride it everyday. If I would’ve had something like that at his age it would be on it’s 3rd rebuild. Come May he’ll be wakeboarding/waterskiing til September. iPad PlayStation nerf guns. Too much stuff. I had a tobacco stick to play with. I got a “dirt bike” when I was 14. I paid $50 for it I made working for my uncle.
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3/24/2019 6:44pm
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Also the lack of cheap bikes and easy access to places to ride. A $200 Hodaka and the riverbed at the edge of town used to...
Also the lack of cheap bikes and easy access to places to ride. A $200 Hodaka and the riverbed at the edge of town used to be how people started.. now it’s a long drive to ride for many of us, that kills it for a beginner.
You got it!
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3/24/2019 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 7:25pm
mxb2 wrote:
Practice days $20-50. Ride when you want. As many laps as ya want. Raceday 12hr days $200 ride 12-15 laps.
Practice all you want it will never replace racing.
Have you ever hole shot a race with a full gate?? -- Ain't nothing like it, i dont care what class you race, you cant get them feelings from practice. But for many practice is all they want. But for me, i liked the butterflies, the nervousness on the line, the sense of competing with awesome folks who are into for the same reasons.
I really miss it!!

I appreciated a practice day as well for the cost and fun of riding. Many race days are not as long as they used to be many are over by 3-4 in afternoon now. I liked to ride and race as much as i could whether it was racing, practice track, or busting laps around the farms i grew up on. It's whatever your into but open practice days is probably whats keeping tracks open these days

*Kinda weird but some of my biggest crashes came on open practice days, no explanation for it really, just how it worked out for me.
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3/24/2019 7:10pm
mxb2 wrote:
Practice days $20-50. Ride when you want. As many laps as ya want. Raceday 12hr days $200 ride 12-15 laps.
Trav138 wrote:
Practice all you want it will never replace racing. Have you ever hole shot a race with a full gate?? -- Ain't nothing like it, i...
Practice all you want it will never replace racing.
Have you ever hole shot a race with a full gate?? -- Ain't nothing like it, i dont care what class you race, you cant get them feelings from practice. But for many practice is all they want. But for me, i liked the butterflies, the nervousness on the line, the sense of competing with awesome folks who are into for the same reasons.
I really miss it!!

I appreciated a practice day as well for the cost and fun of riding. Many race days are not as long as they used to be many are over by 3-4 in afternoon now. I liked to ride and race as much as i could whether it was racing, practice track, or busting laps around the farms i grew up on. It's whatever your into but open practice days is probably whats keeping tracks open these days

*Kinda weird but some of my biggest crashes came on open practice days, no explanation for it really, just how it worked out for me.
Agree on the racing. ,more challenging. Like i said all depends on peoples schedule. , Some dont have 12 hrs to be at the track.
3/24/2019 7:12pm
Schenk829 wrote:
MDRA is at sleepy, this place has some good turnouts and only 4 hours from budds so take that into consideration
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time...
Englishtown season opener, D6 Harescramble series in Millville (Cumberland Fairground), Field of Dreams practice had close to 400 turnout....A,B,C1,C2,C3 , mini’s ...a lot of wait time at practice and 2 stops for rider assistance...



Tarz483 wrote:
This kinda Bums me out to see , because i can remember when moto looked that way full gates etc And i would love to see...
This kinda Bums me out to see , because i can remember when moto looked that way full gates etc
And i would love to see it again , im thinking its got to have more to do with jumps than people are admitting like some have talked about moto being too supercrossy and wishing
Tracks where more natural terrain and i think this kind of shows that a lot of people want that , there isnt much for jumps in this form of racing correct?
I think it’s a mix of many of the issues already discussed. Tracks never had Saturday practices and now it allows riders to get more seat time vs race day....can’t blame anybody for getting more return on their investment. As far as jumps go, you can still single them if you choose. Times have changed and people realize you can get more seat time at practice, enduro or harescramble events.
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mxb2 wrote:
Practice days $20-50. Ride when you want. As many laps as ya want. Raceday 12hr days $200 ride 12-15 laps.
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200?

Gas = same ammount.

Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate fee. $10 extra, total.

Sure, not as many laps. But if people showed up, there would be battles. Two 5 lap battles at budds is a fun day. More fun than 20 half ass laps, in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.
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Probably sick of riding a non prepped track driven the 8 hours from Ny over ten times tracks always hard as a rock dusty. The national...
Probably sick of riding a non prepped track driven the 8 hours from Ny over ten times tracks always hard as a rock dusty. The national weekend prep and normal prep are not the same.
I can understand that. Practice days are hit or miss. But race days are usually good there. PERFECT today.
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Okay I didn’t pay attention that muddy creek was today. Good point there.

Everyone complains about small turnout, but if you raced that would be one more on the line. If everyone who hates small turnouts actually raced, there wouldn’t be small turnouts.

Bike costs. Yeah yeah yeah, I know. I also just bought a low hour 2004 RM 250 this spring and raced it today. I won. I’m not fast, and there were hardly any riders in my class... but, I did see plenty of 10k bikes, but never saw them on the track. What we want to ride and what we need to ride are two different things.

You guys are right, I actually raced a harescramble last weekend and it was nuts 652 turnout. I got SMOKED in +30B, first harescramble in 18 years, 17th of 29... I’ll do some more. Different, laid back culture too there.

You all are right. I guess we don’t need to race but apparently my nostalgia hit me hard today. I remember wualifying for C class, and racing just sucks now.

We need to drop tons of classes. But that’s less money towards the tracks and promoters, and no guarantee extra people will show.
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3/24/2019 8:31pm
mxb2 wrote:
Practice days $20-50. Ride when you want. As many laps as ya want. Raceday 12hr days $200 ride 12-15 laps.
Spagina767 wrote:
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200? Gas = same ammount. Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate...
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200?

Gas = same ammount.

Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate fee. $10 extra, total.

Sure, not as many laps. But if people showed up, there would be battles. Two 5 lap battles at budds is a fun day. More fun than 20 half ass laps, in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.
Tomahawk 3 hr drive for me, $100 fuel tundra, toll.fee. Food. $50 fee non members. , Add more $$ for a race say. Depending on classes you race. . Most of my local tracks $20-25 bucks to ride all day.
3/24/2019 8:47pm
Shoot, the less people that race, the more likely it is you get to win one of a thousand vet classes. Don’t forget that jr. has to win too. More classes plus less riders will net a win for sure. Since it takes all day long with so many classes, you don’t have to go back to your boring home life. When you do get home you’ll be well rested from lack of riding, and have less time and money to blow on bs non-moto requests from the family. I thought this was the plan, no?
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mxb2 wrote:
Practice days $20-50. Ride when you want. As many laps as ya want. Raceday 12hr days $200 ride 12-15 laps.
Spagina767 wrote:
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200? Gas = same ammount. Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate...
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200?

Gas = same ammount.

Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate fee. $10 extra, total.

Sure, not as many laps. But if people showed up, there would be battles. Two 5 lap battles at budds is a fun day. More fun than 20 half ass laps, in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.
mxb2 wrote:
Tomahawk 3 hr drive for me, $100 fuel tundra, toll.fee. Food. $50 fee non members. , Add more $$ for a race say. Depending on classes...
Tomahawk 3 hr drive for me, $100 fuel tundra, toll.fee. Food. $50 fee non members. , Add more $$ for a race say. Depending on classes you race. . Most of my local tracks $20-25 bucks to ride all day.
Sorry dude but if youre going to make comparisons at least do it apples to apples...

You’re picking a far race, with a membership fee (only one I know of in the mid Atlantic), to compare to a local practice? Of course that’s going to cost more. That’s not my point.

How much would it cost you to race at tomahawk vs practice at tomahawk? A negligible difference.

And don’t even get me started on food. When i see people complain about spending money on food on race day it makes me crazy. What, if you didn’t go to the track you would be at home starving? Pack a lunch, just like I did today. All the same food I eat at home, legitimately down to the calorie and macronutrient (because I’m on a strict meal plan right now). Going riding should cost you $0 extra in food than a normal day, if you care enough to prepare...
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I'm not on the east coast, but I think when the weather has been crappy, it takes longer for people to come out of hibernation, get their bikes going and emerge to the track. Seems like Budds will always get riders.
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Baja Acers in Michigan posted this. I guess it was packed. Log Road was packed as well.


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MAMA (Mid Atlantic Motocross Association) is the Youth organization plus the AMA District 7 MD DE AMA series and is home based at Budds.

How many show up at a MAMA race?
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From what I saw, Tomahawk MX was packed yesterday. Considering they have fan LLQ coming up, maybe all the OH, PA and WV riders are prepping for that? I went to roaring knob yesterday, but that’s just because it’s 30 minutes from me. Tomahawk is 2.5 hrs and budds creek is 4+ hrs. Just my 2 cents.
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I'm not on the east coast, but I think when the weather has been crappy, it takes longer for people to come out of hibernation, get...
I'm not on the east coast, but I think when the weather has been crappy, it takes longer for people to come out of hibernation, get their bikes going and emerge to the track. Seems like Budds will always get riders.
Nope. Everyone is if fired up and ready to go. As soon as it is 40 and sunny, everyone is out riding.
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Spend 40 bucks rude all day or pay 200 for a couple class and ride a couple laps and sit around all day. Go to an op you’ll have a good amount of riding before 2pm
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Spagina767 wrote:
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200? Gas = same ammount. Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate...
What the hell are you doing that it costs 200?

Gas = same ammount.

Practice at budds is 30. Racing is 30 plus 10 for gate fee. $10 extra, total.

Sure, not as many laps. But if people showed up, there would be battles. Two 5 lap battles at budds is a fun day. More fun than 20 half ass laps, in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.
mxb2 wrote:
Tomahawk 3 hr drive for me, $100 fuel tundra, toll.fee. Food. $50 fee non members. , Add more $$ for a race say. Depending on classes...
Tomahawk 3 hr drive for me, $100 fuel tundra, toll.fee. Food. $50 fee non members. , Add more $$ for a race say. Depending on classes you race. . Most of my local tracks $20-25 bucks to ride all day.
Spagina767 wrote:
Sorry dude but if youre going to make comparisons at least do it apples to apples... You’re picking a far race, with a membership fee (only...
Sorry dude but if youre going to make comparisons at least do it apples to apples...

You’re picking a far race, with a membership fee (only one I know of in the mid Atlantic), to compare to a local practice? Of course that’s going to cost more. That’s not my point.

How much would it cost you to race at tomahawk vs practice at tomahawk? A negligible difference.

And don’t even get me started on food. When i see people complain about spending money on food on race day it makes me crazy. What, if you didn’t go to the track you would be at home starving? Pack a lunch, just like I did today. All the same food I eat at home, legitimately down to the calorie and macronutrient (because I’m on a strict meal plan right now). Going riding should cost you $0 extra in food than a normal day, if you care enough to prepare...
I always pack my own food. Most good tracks for me 45 mins to 2 hr drives. So truck fuel, time, some tolls come into play. Like i said depending on location practice or races. $100-200 easy for a day.
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Talking to a buddy from back home, he said that Muddy Creek's opening race of the year with their Mega Series and it's a LL qual...

Talking to a buddy from back home, he said that Muddy Creek's opening race of the year with their Mega Series and it's a LL qual race to boot. So maybe some folks went south.
I was at Muddy Creek and there was a big crowd.

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