Buyers remorse?

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2/25/2019 11:48am
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2/25/2019 11:55am
From personal experience after riding a buddies numerous times I believe the 1997 Honda CR250 is the hands down winner, how the hell did a company that produced the 1986 _ 1996 CR,s fuck up so bad?
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2/25/2019 12:02pm
2015 ktm 350. What a piece of shit that was. A close second was my 09 sxf250. I will never buy an orange bike again.
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Headling
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2/25/2019 12:10pm
My one was a 08 ktm450sxf, coming from a 250f and that thing was trying to rip my arms off!

Was ok for a few laps then the dreaded arm pump kicked in

The power delivery on it was pretty damn harsh!
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2/25/2019 12:15pm
1998 CR250.... woof what a POS
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2/25/2019 12:24pm
Headling wrote:
My one was a 08 ktm450sxf, coming from a 250f and that thing was trying to rip my arms off! Was ok for a few laps...
My one was a 08 ktm450sxf, coming from a 250f and that thing was trying to rip my arms off!

Was ok for a few laps then the dreaded arm pump kicked in

The power delivery on it was pretty damn harsh!
My brother had an 08 coming off an 07 YZ125. Dad wanted to skip the 250F route.

He traded it a couple months later for a nice F150. My brother hated that bike, Abrupt power curve and the E-Start was always taking a shit. Dad vowed to never own an orange bike again and years later we have 3 in the garage, They sure have come a long way! Not sure why everyone is calling the newer KTMs piece of shits, Me and dad both love the ones we have now.
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2/25/2019 12:31pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 12:37pm
nytsmaC wrote:
I had a 2010 Husky CR125 which I loved, and after seeing Brian Garrison win the big GH 2stroke racr on a pretty stock WR300 I...
I had a 2010 Husky CR125 which I loved, and after seeing Brian Garrison win the big GH 2stroke racr on a pretty stock WR300 I thought great, how bad can it be? I always wanted to have matching bikes. So off I go and buy a 2010 Husky WR300. I take all of the off-road stuff off, put on a set of SSS forks and a DEP MX exhaust, got it jetted crisp and ditched the enduro rubber for Pirelli MXMS’s. Well I give Brian Garrison a lot of credit for winning a MX race on that bike because it sucked as a MX bike! Lazy feeling chassis, did not corner well at all and the engine was way too slow revving to be any fun. It was great when I did some woods riding on it but that’s not what I bought it for. I sold it with about 9 hours on it.

The only other bike I really had buyers remorse with was a very low hour stock 06 CRF450. I brought it home, blasted it up and down the pasture a couple times and realized it was a mistake. I’d been riding small bores for the few years prior and I wqnted a 450 that would be easy to ride, like my 08 RMZ or 2011 TM were. This CRF was a rocket and I knew immediately it was not going to suit my riding style. I sold it immediately.
Son bought a 2011 cr125 and some of the best days I have had on a bike were when I was riding it Suspension is bad when stock but once revalved it is really good Back on track I hated my 1983 yz 490 Stuck with it for 6 month and managed to swap it for a 1984 125 KTM Cracking bike but very unreliable
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2/25/2019 12:35pm
Elbows wrote:
Had my 96 CR250 working perfect but had to have the 97 with the new aluminum frame. I hated that thing from day one.
Same here. My buddy and I bought them and did the first ride at Glen Helen. We're sitting in the pits together and just st there shaking our heads looking at each other. Neither of us wanted to be the first one to admit we fucked up.
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2/25/2019 12:50pm
Moto520 wrote:
2016 ktm250sx. Bought on a whim so that i could have a two stroke in the stable. The bike was not that much fun to ride...
2016 ktm250sx. Bought on a whim so that i could have a two stroke in the stable. The bike was not that much fun to ride. I switched it up for a yz250 and got what i was looking for out of a two stroke.
Can you elaborate on the KTM vs YZ?
Sure. The KTM had great power but the forks and overall comfort of the bike was not for me. I didn't buy the bike to race and I fell like the YZ250 is just fun to ride. It might have less power and all that but it works like the two strokes I remember from back in the day. The KTM felt like something different and wasn't fun to ride.
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Myke
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2/25/2019 2:54pm
Yes my '18 Honda crf450 after I rode a '19 yz250f!
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2/25/2019 3:34pm
Not so much a bike specifically but more towards putting the money and parts into them and never able to get a return on my investment.
One bike I Have now is 2012 RMZ450 that is loaded that I don’t know what to do with it now.
Ready to make a change. Guess I’ll drain the fuel and store it for 20 years.lol

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2/25/2019 4:20pm
1974 I saved all my money from hauling hay and cutting pulp wood. A buddy with a pick-up drove my 14 year old dumbass to the shop in Longview TX. I paid cash for a new 1972 CZ 125. The bike that was gonna take me to moto fame, fortune, and hot chicks. When we got home my parents took one look and asked, "Where are the lights...that thing isn't even street legal". No amount of begging would change their minds. Back to the shop. I swapped it for a new 1973 Kawasaki KS 125.

I had to ride it to school all year but the day school was out...I stripped the lights, oil tank, battery...installed a Bill Wirges down pipe, KX rotor, sprocket, knobbies, and number plates on it. It was never a CZ but I raced it down to a nub.

There's some remorse in there somewhere.
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2/25/2019 5:25pm
2012 Ktm 150sx.

Went along for a ride with my cousin to pick up his new 250sx ktm. When we arrived at the dealer, I thought man these look good. At the time it seemed like a great idea to get a new bike also, there was room in the truck for it, so why not? I rode it twice. Never could get the rear end to follow the front no matter what we tried. I decided to sell it, as I liked my 96 cr125 and 12 crf250 better. My cousin decided to keep his, and get it figured out. Later that year he also got a new acl.
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2/25/2019 6:08pm
1991 YZ125

Classic Steel


DOA: In an sad bit of irony for Yamaha, its engineers’ quest for more top-end power actually ended up killing the old motor’s one virtue. Without its hard-hitting midrange, ’91 YZ pilots were left with an anemic, uninspiring and pathetically slow stable of ponies. On the dyno, the new YZ looked impressive, but on the track, she was in a world of hurt. If the track was fast and hard, the YZ had a prayer, but if the dirt was deep and tacky, the poor Y-Zed became cannon fodder for the red, yellow and green competition.

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2/25/2019 6:30pm
I bought a pair of mirrored lens fly goggles in like 2014, they lasted one ride before the lens started to flake. Never cheap out on helmets, boots, or optics.
resetjet
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2/25/2019 6:37pm
Yeah for sure my 2002 nami 250. I loved the plastics but it just had way too much power for a 250.
MohMoto14
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2/25/2019 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 7:31pm
2003 YZ250F went from loving my 02 YZ125 to hating the top heavy feeling bog prone impossible to start after a crash 250F. I sold it...
2003 YZ250F went from loving my 02 YZ125 to hating the top heavy feeling bog prone impossible to start after a crash 250F. I sold it 8 months later and bought a 04 kx125 and riding got much more enjoyable again. Have also not bought another F since then.
Should have jetted it, probably would have loved it.
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2/25/2019 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 7:53pm
biggest mx buyers remorse was a 12 Crf 250r I got new after being out of mx for about 5years due to wrist injuries, bike had absolutely zero top end and vey lack luster bottom and mid as well. however the major problem with it was the throttle could only go from idle to 10% no matter what you did the throttle butterfly would jerk from idle to 10% anytime you touched it. sold it after it had 2hrs on it, exploded my screwed together wrist and ankles on the last ride as well and been off bikes since....

2nd and hopefully last...
2018 250sx I got for myself for xmas this yr.
everything about the bike was great except hated the motor, absolutely zero top end, falls off a cliff after the midrange, rode like a gncc motor or something even with the PC exhaust. Threw it up for sale after riding it around my yard with 2hrs on it and finally sold it today.

Replaced it with a new 450sxf
Big Tex27
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2/25/2019 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 8:30pm
17 ktm350 I wanted that bike so bad I couldn't stand it. I found a good deal on a left over, that i wish I never did.. the suspension is horrible all round. Battery is garbage. Handlebars mise well be from 1970. Motor is a turd until you hit the rev limiter. Like hey let's make a bike with no power until you hit the rev limiter then takes off like rocket when your least expecting and put 2x4 piece's of wood for forks.. that will be a great combination. Never again will I own a ktm
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2000 KX250 - ran great stock, but broke a piston skirt at less than 10 hrs and went through rod bearings on a weekly basis. My buddies that bought new Hondas and Yamahas just rode.

2009 CRF450 - awful snake of a bike, ruined the good power and solid handling of one of the best bikes ever made. It was light and looked cool I guess.


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1981 CR125R. Hated it, I even preferred my ‘79 CR125Z, the one with the 23” front wheel.
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2/26/2019 12:59am
John548 wrote:
I just bought my son a 2018, KTM 250SX and he hates it. He came off of a 2017, 125SX which he loved and 2016, 250F...
I just bought my son a 2018, KTM 250SX and he hates it. He came off of a 2017, 125SX which he loved and 2016, 250F that he kinda liked. He is a big kid (200 lbs. plus) so we had to move up in bike. Just bought him a 2018, 450CRF and he really likes it so, now the 2018 KTM 250SX has to go. The 250SX is the only bike I ever bought without letting him ride one first, BIG mistake!!!!
do you want to sell ? im interested?
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2/26/2019 1:13am Edited Date/Time 2/26/2019 1:23am
i had buyers remorse on using ENZO suspension, it was MY mistake! i sent the forks and shock off of a crf250 (2014) to enzo and it didnt tell them skill level. Came back so stiff i winded up selling that bike because of what i had felt.


Oh
and i have ABSOLUTE no doubt about it buyers remorse on buying Cobra 50 mini bikes for my sons.

Cobra 50s have to be honestly the largest peices of shit for the price, dont get me wrong they have nice attributes but they dont run consistant for shit, and there airbox and anything plastic molded or blow molded or whatever just plastic stuff in general has no quality to it at all. There bolts are weird, there suspension sucks i have literally seen the same "card" forks come on a chinese pit bike. And you have to try so many parts and spend so much money to get a good setup and by the time you finally figure it out the kid has to move to 65's.


Screw Buying a cobra. Oh and the parts have to come directly from the mfg in michigan or the old stock your buying from all these second hand dealers could not have the parts updates that the factory makes to them daily. And they charge just as much for. a plastic kit as the big bikes, and they are shitty plastics, get real cobra.
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John548
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2/26/2019 3:45am
John548 wrote:
I just bought my son a 2018, KTM 250SX and he hates it. He came off of a 2017, 125SX which he loved and 2016, 250F...
I just bought my son a 2018, KTM 250SX and he hates it. He came off of a 2017, 125SX which he loved and 2016, 250F that he kinda liked. He is a big kid (200 lbs. plus) so we had to move up in bike. Just bought him a 2018, 450CRF and he really likes it so, now the 2018 KTM 250SX has to go. The 250SX is the only bike I ever bought without letting him ride one first, BIG mistake!!!!
4csHATER wrote:
do you want to sell ? im interested?
Ya it’s up for sale. Contact me. It’s on pitracer.com.
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2/26/2019 4:34am
Last Christmas I decided to treat myself and buy a high end watch in the $7000 dollar price range. Previously I had owned a Rolex GMT Master II, but reluctantly sold it when starting the art business to put a cash injection in.
Bought this new watch (not Rolex) at a lavish buyers fair on Friday evening, got them to change out the strap, paid a deposit and arranged to collect it next day, expecting it to be fully set up, paperwork, warranty etc., none of which came with watch, just a box and fancy bag.
Had the watch for an hour but noticed when ever I reset chronometer, the minute counter didn't return exactly to zero.
Phoned the dealers Monday, took it in and they sent it back to manufacturer, who came back within a few days to say Yes it was faulty and I would be sent a new replacement.
However by now I had lost confidence in this brand and wanted a full refund, which they initially refused to give me, saying the watch had been customised, refunds weren't in their terms and conditions etc.
Got onto local citizens advice who gave us all the legal aspects and confirmed we were initialled to a full refund!
Served the retailer with a signed for legal letter and within 10 days got a full refund.
So yes, buyers remorse, but cured me of the desire to wear expensive watches, a $50 watch tells the time just as well.
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1984 and 1985 YZ125's Unfortunately I was dumb enough to buy and 85 after the 84. Both were pigs. In my defense, I worked at a Yamaha dealership. But it was still stupid.

2001 CR250 The motor felt electric without much hit anywhere and the chassis felt like an I-beam.
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2/26/2019 5:39am
1997 CR250. Worse than the bike itself was that I traded in my 96 for it. Went from one of my top three favorites ever, to the worst thing since the TM400 Suzuki was introduced...lol

2009 KX450-Not a terrible bike, but I never felt comfortable on it. Ironically I sold my very well set up 07 CRF450 for it...and regretted that since.
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2/26/2019 5:49am
Tarz483 wrote:
I dont understand whats supposed to be bad about the 09 CRF450? I know people say the 08 was better but was there something in particular...
I dont understand whats supposed to be bad about the 09 CRF450?
I know people say the 08 was better but was there something in particular about the 09 that was Bad ?
Was the 2009 Fuel injected?
Forty wrote:
Yeah. It has EFI. I was able to get the 2009 working however stock the front and back fought each other and handling was off and...
Yeah. It has EFI. I was able to get the 2009 working however stock the front and back fought each other and handling was off and it had some bugs. My regret wasn’t getting the 2009 as much as letting the 2008 go. I loved that bike. It did everything right and was a good fit. You gotta recognize that in a bike. It’s invaluable.
moscrop940 wrote:
Well that actually brings up and interesting thought...I wonder how many people in the “09 hate group” came from on 08 CRF450? Maybe their ill feelings...
Well that actually brings up and interesting thought...I wonder how many people in the “09 hate group” came from on 08 CRF450?

Maybe their ill feelings toward the bike isn’t so much
because the 09 was shit, but because they were so in love with their 08....

Just a theory. I’m always genuinely curious as to why people are not fans of the 09. Always handled well and the power delivery, even still, is rideable and smooth.
I had 2 08 Honda 450s and loved them. Had an 09 and loved that one. Had a 12 and didn’t like it much. Suspension and re-map and I still wasn’t 100% comfortable . If I could buy a Brand new 09 right now I would. Bike felt awesome to me.
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2/26/2019 5:58am
2005 Husqvarna TC 250. Picked it up on a Friday, brought it to a track on Saturday and sold it on Monday. Ran like an XR 100.

Cannondale MX 400. I drooled over those bikes when they were new and found one for sale at some weird car dealership place near Erie. Got about 3 rides on it before the motor blew. Engine braking was so severe when it did run that it about put you over the bars.
2/26/2019 6:36am Edited Date/Time 2/26/2019 6:41am
I don't really have "remorse". I try to give every bike a chance and then I decide whether the faults are worth working with or not. The biggest stinkers:

1) '04 YZ450F my first big four stroke. FELT big and heavy, esp coming off a 125. Didn't turn, had a low end hit that would kick the rear out. Four speeds, too. I put a FWW on it and that helped tremendously, but it was still a big, massive bike. The clutch pull gave me tendinitis. I bought a used '05 KX125, rode them back to back and never rode the YZ again.

2) '16 KX 250F Bought it to try a 250F. I know it would probably have been dead reliable, but I just couldn't shake the Exploding 250F Syndrome feeling. I also never got comfortable with its turning. Bought my son an '04 KX 125 and rode it. Mistake. Ended up buying myself an '02 RM 134. Super Big Mistake. I took the KX-F and the RM to the track together several times and never rode the KX-F more than 1 lap before parking it and getting back on the RM. I'd come around a sweeper and the RM would track like a slot car while the KX-F front end was wandering and twitching all over the place. The KX was a great bike... I'm just not a 4 stroke guy and that proved it to me.

3) Suzuki JR80. Bought for my daughter. Richest running bike in the world. Best thing was I bought it for $800 and sold it for $800 after she quickly outgrew it.

Total Non-Stinkers. In the Hall of Fame of Great Bikes:

1) '04 and '05 KX 125. I love these. They are super fun to ride and have NEVER done anything twitchy, weird, or anything. I just get along really well with them. My son and I have decided we're never going to sell our '04. When it dies, we're gonna mount it on the wall of the barn.

2) KDX 200/220. Totally old-school but darn, they work so well and are dead reliable. The 220 is a _tractor_ and I raced my 200 in an enduro a few weeks ago. The time-keepers were giving me thumbs up and high fives- "A KDX!!! Cool!!!!"

3) '02 RM 134. Good Lord, this thing turns. With the adjustable powervalve, it makes a surprisingly effective off-road bike, too. I was _really_ torn between just throwing a little money at this- FWW, bigger tank, better skid plate, mousse- and using it for hare scrambles or buying a new KTM 150 XC-W. In the end, I went with the KTM, but I have the RM safely tucked away in the garage "just in case".

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