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2/24/2019 5:43pm
mx216 wrote:
Way to steal the idea, and completely wreck the execution of it. $20 per lap to race it plus at the end of the day when...
Way to steal the idea, and completely wreck the execution of it. $20 per lap to race it plus at the end of the day when it's a beeline for everyone to get out. Thanks MxSports.
I’d imagine this is not how captain Joey imagined all of this evolving.
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2/24/2019 5:46pm
Captain Joey is somewhere shaking his head.
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2/24/2019 5:58pm
End of the day, what a joke. Why even bother?
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2/24/2019 6:02pm
Would have thought first up after practice would keep some eyes on it? Assume the schedule is hectic as being one day though.

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2/24/2019 6:14pm
Well that qualifies as a big ol' POS, lack of effort. Mid day 5 lapper between Moto's would be much better.
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2/24/2019 6:20pm
If it is going to treated as an entertainment sideshow, at least make it half time event...
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2/24/2019 6:36pm
Sibex hit the nail on the head up above.

They have to find a way to keep it from being relevant.

Jack up the entry fee, minimal laps, beat track, and end of the day. All negatives! So they can say we had no interest from the riders and fans so now its gone. See two strokes are dead, when they know all too damn well the if you put it at intermission people will be hanging off the fences cheering as if every rider out there is Stankdawg and that looks bad for the 4T industry...
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2/24/2019 6:57pm
Appreciate what?? The afterthought? All this will do is lessen the entries and interest.
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2 stroke tears make me wet
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2/24/2019 7:27pm
It is simple....

They are putting the 125 race last so that the repeater thieves will have more time to cross the track after the pro racing is over and if one of them does get clipped it won't be as bad.

Having 40 125s pay $100/entry instead of having to pay 10 security guards an extra hour.

Pure genius....
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2/24/2019 7:53pm
Not a fan of this. It's time for some changes. The fastest riders need to race the fastest riders. Top 40 qualifiers run in an open class, they make more money and run 2 30 minute motos. Next 40 run 2504t vs 2502t 20 min moto's. That leaves time for a solid 15min moto for 125's.
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2/24/2019 8:29pm Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 8:23am
jeffro503 wrote:
Edit : DC sounds like he's making it right!
Moto man wrote:
You do realize that the Nationals is a one day format, GP’s all weekend. You are comparing apples to oranges. Surprisingly, there’s more important things going...
You do realize that the Nationals is a one day format, GP’s all weekend. You are comparing apples to oranges. Surprisingly, there’s more important things going on on Saturday than amateurs racing little bikes.
Please tell Richard, what is more important on Saturday? Oh yea, you play video games and walk your weenie dogs on Saturdays, that's right. At least people race little bikes, you don't race at all. Hell you don't even ride.
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2/24/2019 8:43pm
Unless there's some real big names lining up I'll be heading back to my camp as soon as soon as the 450 moto wraps up. It's a long day at a national
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Sibex wrote:
They all want the race to die. That’s why it’s at the end of the day, that’s why the entry is way too much. They want...
They all want the race to die. That’s why it’s at the end of the day, that’s why the entry is way too much. They want people to just stop talking about it, then they’ll quietly drop it all together and say it wasn’t working.

Say what you like about MXGP, but at least they more or less give people what they want, and realise that they need new riders to bring on for the future. I have the Mxgp package for this year. I can’t wait. To MX sports and the (often) corrupt incestuous, and industry led US media I say this. “Every day is a school day. Take your head out of your ass and realise that when there’s no motocross left anymore, you won’t have a job”.

It’s a disgrace. Why do you guys hang off coombes’s balls? He’s out for himself building empires an shit! Haha!
I'm afraid it goes much deeper than getting rid of the 125's,.
The bigger picture i believe is to eventually do away with the national series all together and have two premier pro series SX based in the US and MXGP based in Europe but the racing for both will be global.

I don't think they saw a resurgence of interest in 125 racing rising to the level of getting back on the schedule so now must kill it but in a way that makes them look like they did their best but just not enough interest sorry.

I hope i am dead wrong about an eventual shutting down of the US national series. However If it continues to run with busted up SX riders not riding or riding with injuries and far from 100% it will eventually shut it's self down due to lack of top level riders competing and sponsors pulling support while the best in the business are in top shape for the MXGP opener.

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2/24/2019 9:01pm
Holy balls the conspiracy theories are hilarious
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What about this?

Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday.

First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice
Second moto between first and second moto's of the 250 and 450 class.

Let them race 20 minutes + 1 lap and make it a championship.

Back in the day there was always a womans class on Saturday. To plenty of room left for the 125s
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What about this? Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday. First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice Second...
What about this?

Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday.

First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice
Second moto between first and second moto's of the 250 and 450 class.

Let them race 20 minutes + 1 lap and make it a championship.

Back in the day there was always a womans class on Saturday. To plenty of room left for the 125s
That would be perfect. Awesome idea! Let the Europeans sort it out! Haha!
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What about this? Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday. First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice Second...
What about this?

Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday.

First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice
Second moto between first and second moto's of the 250 and 450 class.

Let them race 20 minutes + 1 lap and make it a championship.

Back in the day there was always a womans class on Saturday. To plenty of room left for the 125s
Sibex wrote:
That would be perfect. Awesome idea! Let the Europeans sort it out! Haha!
Does anyone honestly think a 125 is going to make it around today’s nationally prepped tracks for more than 5 laps? The tracks are over a foot deep and basically a mud pit... having them go at the end of the day is a better option to allow the track to dry up.
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2/25/2019 5:24am
Trying to kill these kids? Last race of day when the track is hammered and at its most dangerous ya'll want send them out for a race . Recipe for disaster if you ask me, these kids full of spit and polish thinking they can maybe make a name for themselves and get noticed. I dunno about it, I'm sure the vet riders will be fine but...
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What about this? Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday. First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice Second...
What about this?

Let them ride time practice/qualifing on Friday afternoon on pressday.

First moto on Saturday morning right after the last 450 time practice
Second moto between first and second moto's of the 250 and 450 class.

Let them race 20 minutes + 1 lap and make it a championship.

Back in the day there was always a womans class on Saturday. To plenty of room left for the 125s
Sibex wrote:
That would be perfect. Awesome idea! Let the Europeans sort it out! Haha!
cody41 wrote:
Does anyone honestly think a 125 is going to make it around today’s nationally prepped tracks for more than 5 laps? The tracks are over a...
Does anyone honestly think a 125 is going to make it around today’s nationally prepped tracks for more than 5 laps? The tracks are over a foot deep and basically a mud pit... having them go at the end of the day is a better option to allow the track to dry up.
Thats fair enough and a good point, but unfortunately there wont be anyone around to see it.

As an alternative they should prep the tracks to be less like slot car racing and allow the tracks to develop some proper character. Have a look at an old national from Unadilla from back in the day for example. Very natural terrain, with no artificial obstacles or prep. Acceleration bumps going uphill that are a couple of feet deep. Speeds were way less, but the racing was awesome!

Those kind of tracks allowed an excellent rider on a 125 to keep up with a 500. Just check out any old MXDN on youtube. I think thats got to be because skill and technique were important all of the time every corner and on every lap.

2/25/2019 6:04am
It's Monday morning DC, are you on the clock yet? Can you explain this?
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How many practices do the 250's and 450's have that make it impossible to add another class?

The Dutch Masters (but also the german championship if i'm not mistaken) has been a 1 day format for years. It had the 250's and 450's pro class (which essentially is a semi GP class with 10+ GP riders), with free practice and qualifying (with over 40 riders, so some don't qualify), and 2 motos. And on the same day it also has the 85cc and 125cc, again with FP, qualifying and 2 motos. They even have a 1 hour break between motos 1 and 2.
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2/25/2019 8:57am
The last National that I went to, they switched it up for TV. 250 Moto 2 was the last race of the day. Some people were folding up their chairs before the last 450 finishers crossed the finish line of 450 Moto 2.

Who thought it would be best to put those skill level racers on 125's on a track that rough at the end of the day?

Is NBC making this call? Follow the money.
2/25/2019 9:49am Edited Date/Time 2/25/2019 9:52am
It’s a start.

Making it open to b riders allows for no-purse. Id like to see it A CLASS only. And it gives kids valuable experience on a chewed up track with professional lines.....not a bad idea to do it at the end of the day in my opinion!

A lot of complaints of new pros is not having experience because the line choice is way different than your local or amatuer national race....

Don’t worry your nbc sports gold package won’t cover this race!
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2/25/2019 10:38am
Or actually go to the races to watch, that are local.
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2/25/2019 11:21am
You guys are absolutely nuts with your conspiracy theories and suggestions that this is a plot to implode the US Nationals and let Luongo take over! Seriously?

Only change I see is the race happening at the end of the day. That’s a bummer...but I’m sure it has to do with time/schedule/tv. And top level B and A rider/ former Pros will be just fine out there on the track no matter the time of day. Just happy to see 125s out there in some capacity.
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2/25/2019 11:29am
FI2T wrote:
Not a fan of this. It's time for some changes. The fastest riders need to race the fastest riders. Top 40 qualifiers run in an open...
Not a fan of this. It's time for some changes. The fastest riders need to race the fastest riders. Top 40 qualifiers run in an open class, they make more money and run 2 30 minute motos. Next 40 run 2504t vs 2502t 20 min moto's. That leaves time for a solid 15min moto for 125's.
Your plan is slightly purfolated. Would everyone have to buy a 450 for qualifying and bring a 250 and 125 along too in case they don't make the open class? or would you just have all size bikes unfairly trying to compete for gate positions?
Yeah no for sure! That's even less thought out than the current format!
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2/25/2019 12:16pm
peltier626 wrote:
It's Monday morning DC, are you on the clock yet? Can you explain this?
The 125 All-Star program was not ready to be announced, as we are still working through some details, now that all 12 tracks want to host the races now and soon even want to do qualifiers on Friday. We also have some television times to work through. It will be very similar to last year's program.

An announcement will be made after Daytona when all of the details are ironed out.

The reason for the $100 entry fee is because it now includes admission for the day and a pit pass, as well as the entry fee.

Sorry for the confusion.

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2/25/2019 12:17pm
Sibex wrote:
They all want the race to die. That’s why it’s at the end of the day, that’s why the entry is way too much. They want...
They all want the race to die. That’s why it’s at the end of the day, that’s why the entry is way too much. They want people to just stop talking about it, then they’ll quietly drop it all together and say it wasn’t working.

Say what you like about MXGP, but at least they more or less give people what they want, and realise that they need new riders to bring on for the future. I have the Mxgp package for this year. I can’t wait. To MX sports and the (often) corrupt incestuous, and industry led US media I say this. “Every day is a school day. Take your head out of your ass and realise that when there’s no motocross left anymore, you won’t have a job”.

It’s a disgrace. Why do you guys hang off coombes’s balls? He’s out for himself building empires an shit! Haha!
motomojo wrote:
I'm afraid it goes much deeper than getting rid of the 125's,. The bigger picture i believe is to eventually do away with the national series...
I'm afraid it goes much deeper than getting rid of the 125's,.
The bigger picture i believe is to eventually do away with the national series all together and have two premier pro series SX based in the US and MXGP based in Europe but the racing for both will be global.

I don't think they saw a resurgence of interest in 125 racing rising to the level of getting back on the schedule so now must kill it but in a way that makes them look like they did their best but just not enough interest sorry.

I hope i am dead wrong about an eventual shutting down of the US national series. However If it continues to run with busted up SX riders not riding or riding with injuries and far from 100% it will eventually shut it's self down due to lack of top level riders competing and sponsors pulling support while the best in the business are in top shape for the MXGP opener.

Neither of you could be more wrong.

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2/25/2019 2:24pm
Well, at least NBC can not use "during lunch time" as an excuse / reason to not show the 125's if they are at the end of the day.

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