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why dont you open a track, ill keep track of how many times the ambulance and the coroners office is there.
ill put it in an excel spreed sheet for you
Alright "bro" you win.
Don't ride here in socal. Might offend your sensibilities without split practices.
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we will also count how many times you get butt hurt because your a dumb ass with invalid points
ok BRO
And you are one dumb fucker
why dont you go back to your boyfriend and whine about how your butt hurts
bro
you are the type of people that get these kids killed and cause these accidents
and most places only have one track. like in ga we have 3 or four places with more than one track. split the time everyone goes home in the same car they came in.
Why are you so against keeping kids alive and reducing the chances of them getting hurt or pushed off the track or getting run over?
Attorney after attorney dropped the suit over 2 years once facts were discovered, however one choose to seek financial settlement.
The facility does cater to that small group of faster riders, however public is not allowed to ride on those tracks. Club has 8 tracks on the property, with 1 available to the public. They have a staff member on site all days of operation living on property who is a fully certified EMT responder and certified in all areas.
Unfortunately, flaggers can not prevent a rider from landing on another rider when coming over a jump at the same time.
Bashing the tracks and promoters will not help the cause. If you have concerns, speak directly to the tracks. Track owners are willing to listen. If we all love the sport and want to see it grow, we need to support it and help make it better. Bashing on social media does not help that cause.
there like oh ya lets just let theses kids die i dont care i am all about my self.
this is why they will die alone and thats a fact
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I agree it sucks to shut down a track for just a couple riders but understand that shutting it down for an ambulance or life flight is orders of magnitude worse. I am not narcissistic enough to get past that probably because I am a parent of riders and have seen them hauled off.
We have never made the winter exodus to SoCal like many other NW families for just this reason. I support any tracks right to run their business as they see fit and it's my decision as a parent & rider to patronize or not and accept the responsibility of that choice. That said, my personal opinion is chasing these short term gratifications comes at a long term cost..............
I've been to Glen Helen a few times and see toddlers on the main track riding xr50s with the faster guys. Why parents think this is a smart move is beyond me.
I fully understand and respect that parents want to see their kids happy in a great sport like this, but they need to use common sense along the way. Not every rider is going to care to their needs. Not saying this guy is, but I've had the angry soccer dad types come to me pissed because I would just go past their kid.
Get them experienced and teach heavy emphasis on track etiquette before sending them out on a big boy track.
But on the same hand, I can't figure why Club MX wouldn't have the adult sign a wavier.
Sounds this is a scenario where nobody wins.
There have been some good suggestions put forward and some comments that are not part of any solution. What also rubs people the wrong way is when you say "at my track", unless your daddy owns it, it is for everyone wanting to ride there. The idea should be for everyone to enjoy and have fun as safely as possible. For the "Fast Guys" complaining about wait time during split practice sessions, I don't think they are handing out factory rides during practice days so let everyone have time on the track and have fun and learn.
Segregating experience levels and bike sizes is the most sensible approach. Even if your MX Park has multiple tracks, mixing minis with larger bikes on the "main" track is a bad idea no matter how fast the mini riders are. As someone else alluded to already you have to consider a basic physics equation of Force=Mass x Acceleration (F=MA).
Riders and parents should band together and push their ideas to the track owners and the AMA to make the sport as safe as possible. By giving sound ideas and explaining the casual effects of not doing something for risk mitigation is the only way to improve this.
Seeing you only have 2 posts and are from the Clubmx area, I am assuming that there is a good chance that you have some relationship to the facility and came on to just add some of the lacking information. Like others have commented, many of the posts here were directed at trying to make the sport in general safer and not really directed at the facility. It is just that this discussion started in context of the facility. After this litigation is all concluded, I'd be really interested in your thoughts regarding track safety and some of the suggestions raised in this thread. For heavens sake don't do it now in this forum, if you are associated with the track it could possibly be used in the trial.
Tracks own some responsibility to provide safe splits and flaggers. Parents own some to have common sense and make decisions in their child's best interest.
When the boy is riding too, we don't go to tracks that don't split practices. I'll take my business to those that do.
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And for the solution of creating sessions for the different skilled riders, I don't think that would be as perfect in reality as it does as an idea. It would be nearly impossible to regulate what rider should go in what session. Unless they did it how we did with the track days for road racing, each rider has to rent or own their own transponder and each session would be based on what lap times you were able to perform. They'd have to make rules for each group as well like we did. Beginner- no passing and no jumping (since it is moto) Novice- Just regulated by lap time, must be able to jump all jumps? Expert/Pro- All is fair?. Then that would raise another concern, a lot of SoCal tracks have at least three tracks: 1-Minis 2-Vet 3-Main. Would they have to create sessions for each track? Just the main? Would they have to split of certain days by certain skill levels? As much as you can try to regulate it there will still be instances of people getting landed on, crashing hard, etc. Even expert/pro have to roll jumps from mistakes in the previous corners. There were still unfortunate deaths at our track days more than anyone would like. I had my own worst crash at a track day just screwing around with my buddy. Life flighted and in the hospital for three weeks, then a year off racing. He was pro and I was supposed to go pro the next month. My point is accidents happen.
I don't see these regulations being suggested doing anything but hurting the moto industry. Riders will have less track time than they want at what I assume would be a much higher cost with the track having to provide a ton of more staff and transponders among other overhead. And you can bet the accidents will still happen. I saw many more beginners hauled off from their own mistakes than being landed on when I used to be at the track all the time. To me, our best bet is for parents and riders to do extensive research on the sport they are getting into and find the appropriate facility with the appropriate track for their honest to God skill level. I can't say I know what this father is feeling but I have lost friends, as many of us have in this sport, and seen how it affects their families. If I am being honest, this feels more like a vendetta than him actually caring about making moto more safe. There a lot of real ways he can try to help rather than trying hurt what hurt him.
I'm sure there is much more to the story but this is based just on the article and what was said on here. And I am in no way trying to attack the father and the family, just joining in on the discussion and trying to speak realistically rather than emotionally. Nobody ever wants to see this happen to any child. My condolences to the family. Godspeed.
SoCal is a world all it's own and to compare it to 99 percent of the other tracks around the country just doesn't work. I wish I could have so many tracks that they compete to get my business lol. But, I'll take my 20 minute sessions happily to ride the tracks and dirt I get to ride and not feel like I'm going to watch a child get lifeflighted off the property.
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Most practice tracks days are run in groups:
Youth
Intermediate
Advance
Works out fine and adds a bit of intensity to your 20 min session as you wait for it patiently and line up with the other dudes anticipating for your turn. Seems like common sense to me.
Cannot fathom how anyone thinks its a good idea for grown ass men on 450s to share the track with kids on 60s.
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