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9/11/2018 4:23pm
Seems crazy he isn't doing some off season races to try and get his sponsors some exposure. Instead he just posts about road biking every day and his wife is now selling some shit on Instagram like all the other chicks with 10k+ followers.
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DE262
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9/11/2018 4:25pm
The shitty fact is that racing in any money paying race- unsanctioned or otherwise, could in theory affect his ultimate suspension.
As it stands currently, his last race was Seattle SX.
If and when he gets a hearing, the suspension should retro-date back to that race and start from there.
This is why he chose not not to race at the Transworld Slam race and other purse paying events.

All opinions aside, I can tell you that this whole deal has been very frustrating for everybody involved.
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dimetime wrote:
Exactly. Jesus H Christ people. Tickle is factually guilty of either one of two things. Either he knowingly cheated, in that case fuck him, or he...
Exactly. Jesus H Christ people.

Tickle is factually guilty of either one of two things. Either he knowingly cheated, in that case fuck him, or he was incompetently negligent about the substances he knowingly put in his body, in that case fuck him. So in general fuck Broc Tickle and to hell with all you nut gargglers who suborn either cheating or outrageous stupidity.

I for the life of me can't undrstand all the half witted hand wringing about fucking Broc Tickle.
After some brilliant thoughts about China, second time in half an hour I'm thinking "Woah, how can someone write anything this dumb?". Surprise, it's you again.
Laughing
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9/11/2018 4:33pm
GuyB wrote:
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation. I get the feeling that no one is...
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation.

I get the feeling that no one is in love with the post-test process.
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some talks of taking at least a reasonable level of control back? I mean real cheating or not, this entire thing is just rediculous no matter how anyone wants to spin it, so I have a hard time understanding that nothing is in the works to change things a bit, or that everyone involved is content to just leave things as they are.
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9/11/2018 4:40pm
JM485 wrote:
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some...
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some talks of taking at least a reasonable level of control back? I mean real cheating or not, this entire thing is just rediculous no matter how anyone wants to spin it, so I have a hard time understanding that nothing is in the works to change things a bit, or that everyone involved is content to just leave things as they are.
I have wondered if WADA could have anything to do with the delay in the Supercross schedule. Feld can't be happy to lose racers for years due to suspension. So far it's been Tickle and Clason. And one year of Stewart. It could hurt even more if some of the big names get suspended for multiple years.
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9/11/2018 5:04pm
It’s not WADA at fault here. It is the FIM. They’re in charge of the penalties.
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9/11/2018 5:16pm
731chopper wrote:
It’s not WADA at fault here. It is the FIM. They’re in charge of the penalties.
Well, I guess it's both. My understanding is that since FIM agreed to have WADA be its PED testing organization, FIM has to go by the standard WADA penalties.

https://motocross.transworld.net/news/roger-decoster-broc-tickle-wada-s…

Apparently, a few years ago, there was a road racer suspended for a month by FIM. WADA appealed that decision to an arbitrator. So I guess WADA is interested in seeing violators penalized as much as possible.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/fim-moto2-racer-anthony-west-suspen…
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731chopper wrote:
It’s not WADA at fault here. It is the FIM. They’re in charge of the penalties.
It's both.
The penalties need to be adjusted to non- Olympic time frames, but the hearings need to be carried out in a timely fashion with better communication all around.
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9/11/2018 5:30pm
dimetime wrote:
Exactly. Jesus H Christ people. Tickle is factually guilty of either one of two things. Either he knowingly cheated, in that case fuck him, or he...
Exactly. Jesus H Christ people.

Tickle is factually guilty of either one of two things. Either he knowingly cheated, in that case fuck him, or he was incompetently negligent about the substances he knowingly put in his body, in that case fuck him. So in general fuck Broc Tickle and to hell with all you nut gargglers who suborn either cheating or outrageous stupidity.

I for the life of me can't undrstand all the half witted hand wringing about fucking Broc Tickle.
Bro! Don’t think anyone’s talking about making sweet sweet love to Broc Tickle. That would be in the ‘quad’ section.
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9/11/2018 6:27pm
Whats with all the outrage? Is it the severity of the punishment,or is it the fact that he was caught putting a banned substance in his body,whether he knew it or not?
Like it or not,a failed drug test by a professional athlete is nothing more than a failed IQ test.
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9/11/2018 7:44pm
SwingHard wrote:
Whats with all the outrage? Is it the severity of the punishment,or is it the fact that he was caught putting a banned substance in his...
Whats with all the outrage? Is it the severity of the punishment,or is it the fact that he was caught putting a banned substance in his body,whether he knew it or not?
Like it or not,a failed drug test by a professional athlete is nothing more than a failed IQ test.
None of the above, it's the fact that it's taking half a year to hear anything regarding a punishment or hearing, and the fact that he can't even go race an unsanctioned offseason race because it "might be looked upon poorly". Does that really seem reasonable to you?
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9/11/2018 8:17pm
SwingHard wrote:
Whats with all the outrage? Is it the severity of the punishment,or is it the fact that he was caught putting a banned substance in his...
Whats with all the outrage? Is it the severity of the punishment,or is it the fact that he was caught putting a banned substance in his body,whether he knew it or not?
Like it or not,a failed drug test by a professional athlete is nothing more than a failed IQ test.
Its the outrageous amount of time that the suspensions last. Theyre years long when in football they have their own rules and people can be suspended for 4 games. Stewart was suspended for a year so why wouldnt broc? Its already been like 6 months anyways.
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9/11/2018 8:39pm
Doesn't his brother race? Why he doesn't just pull a Ronnie Mac under his brothers name. Fuck it
Jeez that would work
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9/11/2018 9:43pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I get sitting out some of the off season stuff, but how would something like Transworld Slam be unfavorable? Or RBSR for that matter... I get...
I get sitting out some of the off season stuff, but how would something like Transworld Slam be unfavorable? Or RBSR for that matter... I get sanctioned races, but one off mean nothing stuff shouldn't be unfavorable in anyway. The guy has to try to make money somehow. Am I right?
The example I would give is when you are a kid and you get in trouble, and are going to be grounded when your parents get home, so do you go out and party and worsen your punishment or do you figure out your punishment before you decide to sneak out. ?

Broc is being the teenager waiting at home for his punishment before he decides to sneak out.

Also with Stewart’s CAS hearing it was 7 months after his failed test. The Test was in April (4/12/14) at the Seattle Supercross, results were announced in June (6/17/14), and the hearing was in October (10/23/14), with a ruling in December (12/17/14).

On that timeline Tickle should have a hearing date soon.
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Moto96
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Listen to his podcast where he said Bakers program wasn't working for him.
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9/12/2018 9:10am
Moto96 wrote:
Listen to his podcast where he said Bakers program wasn't working for him.
Which podcast? I would be interested in listening! I heard him awhile ago on the PulpMX show after the allegations came out but that's all I've really listened to lately.
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9/12/2018 9:29am
Moto96 wrote:
Listen to his podcast where he said Bakers program wasn't working for him.
kNewc wrote:
Which podcast? I would be interested in listening! I heard him awhile ago on the PulpMX show after the allegations came out but that's all I've...
Which podcast? I would be interested in listening! I heard him awhile ago on the PulpMX show after the allegations came out but that's all I've really listened to lately.
same here, I definitely want to give it a listen.
9/12/2018 9:31am
Moto96 wrote:
Listen to his podcast where he said Bakers program wasn't working for him.
kNewc wrote:
Which podcast? I would be interested in listening! I heard him awhile ago on the PulpMX show after the allegations came out but that's all I've...
Which podcast? I would be interested in listening! I heard him awhile ago on the PulpMX show after the allegations came out but that's all I've really listened to lately.
JD167 wrote:
same here, I definitely want to give it a listen.
me three, I'm interested to hear him get more candid
9/12/2018 9:40am
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I get sitting out some of the off season stuff, but how would something like Transworld Slam be unfavorable? Or RBSR for that matter... I get...
I get sitting out some of the off season stuff, but how would something like Transworld Slam be unfavorable? Or RBSR for that matter... I get sanctioned races, but one off mean nothing stuff shouldn't be unfavorable in anyway. The guy has to try to make money somehow. Am I right?
The example I would give is when you are a kid and you get in trouble, and are going to be grounded when your parents get...
The example I would give is when you are a kid and you get in trouble, and are going to be grounded when your parents get home, so do you go out and party and worsen your punishment or do you figure out your punishment before you decide to sneak out. ?

Broc is being the teenager waiting at home for his punishment before he decides to sneak out.

Also with Stewart’s CAS hearing it was 7 months after his failed test. The Test was in April (4/12/14) at the Seattle Supercross, results were announced in June (6/17/14), and the hearing was in October (10/23/14), with a ruling in December (12/17/14).

On that timeline Tickle should have a hearing date soon.
I guess I see where that makes sense. It just sucks that a one off nothing race(not sanctioned and just for fun) Like TWMX Slam or RBSR could possibly be looked at as unfavorable. I mean, TW Slam had maybe a few hundred people in attendance? It's sad and horrible that these racers even have to think that a race like that may have some affect on their hearing and punishment...
9/12/2018 9:58am
JM485 wrote:
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some...
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some talks of taking at least a reasonable level of control back? I mean real cheating or not, this entire thing is just rediculous no matter how anyone wants to spin it, so I have a hard time understanding that nothing is in the works to change things a bit, or that everyone involved is content to just leave things as they are.
I think he's in the very tough position of "serving two masters," so to speak. He's hesitant to speak up or call anyone out because he's not in any position to burn bridges in the industry. If he lucks out and receives a minimal suspension, he wants to have the best chance of securing a ride. At the same time, he has to defend himself and his career, which is hard to do while "playing nice." It's a real bind, and I truly feel for him.
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9/13/2018 1:56am
The fact that him racing non-WADA sanctioned events would look 'unfavorable' completely blows my mind.

The WADA-sanctioned AMA SX/MX championships are simply racing series that people choose to compete in. they don't possess all-transcending rulesets that people need to live their lives by. In no way; shape or form should they be influenced by what an athlete chooses to do outside of their jurisdiction. That is the definition of subjective, irrational decision making.
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9/13/2018 5:10am Edited Date/Time 9/13/2018 5:10am
Broc will be 29 yrs old in 2 months. There is probably only a VERY slim chance that his appeal gets him a reduced sentence, so he is mostly likely stuck with a 4 yr ban on racing. That means he will not be eligible to race until mid April of 2022 at which point he will be 32 yrs old. Who is going to hire a 32 yr old SX/MX racer that hasn't raced in 4 years? If I was him, I would have immediately been looking for a job to ride the Canadian MX series, and all the off season SX races that are available to make as much money as possibly before my body gives out and I am forced to retire from professional racing.
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9/13/2018 6:33am Edited Date/Time 9/13/2018 6:34am
Still riding, though...


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9/13/2018 3:51pm
GuyB wrote:
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation. I get the feeling that no one is...
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation.

I get the feeling that no one is in love with the post-test process.
JM485 wrote:
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some...
So what's the deal then, everyone has just decided to take the easy way out and sit on their ass about it or are there some talks of taking at least a reasonable level of control back? I mean real cheating or not, this entire thing is just rediculous no matter how anyone wants to spin it, so I have a hard time understanding that nothing is in the works to change things a bit, or that everyone involved is content to just leave things as they are.
Everyone is content to leave everything the way it is.....it would take the riders to get together and demand a change!
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9/13/2018 4:02pm
Might as well hit money races.. nothing is going to change they are gonna drag this out for years just like clason
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A WADA suspension precludes participation in any professional sport in pretty much any capacity. So if you get banned for an infraction in motocross, you can’t even go and coach the national tiddlywinks team.
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9/14/2018 6:28am
GuyB wrote:
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation. I get the feeling that no one is...
I think the AMA has tried to help in the past. I'm not sure about in Broc's situation.

I get the feeling that no one is in love with the post-test process.
Is there any way for the AMA to back out of its agreement with WADA/USADA?

Does the Canadian SX series have any interest in the WADA program? If I'm Tickle, I want to know that the WADA penalty won't eventually be levied in the Canadian series.

Both Tickle and Stewart's case are good examples of why WADA/USADA need to change their model. We only have Stewart and Tickle's words as to what they took and what is happening.

It would be easy for Stewart to say that his actual EPO use was amphetamine and it was a prescription for ADD.

It's easy for Tickle to say it's a cross contamination issue when it could really be a real PED.

There's no reason to doubt these guys, but obviously a lot of speculation is derived from the suspect/victim's mouths.

WADA's position with these sports outside of the olympics is to publish results (athlete could sign a waiver under certain circumstances that WADA could release medical information in a failed test). Let the sanctioning bodies publish and control the penalty.
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9/14/2018 6:30am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2018 6:32am
What would they do if all the Pros failed?

It all goes back to the fact that as long as they have somebody to replace you.....they don’t care!
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kkawboy14 wrote:
What would they do if all the Pros failed? It all goes back to the fact that as long as they have somebody to replace you.....they...
What would they do if all the Pros failed?

It all goes back to the fact that as long as they have somebody to replace you.....they don’t care!
Someone will pass. When the Fertittas bought the UFC, they damn near went bankrupt right from the get go when almost the whole card failed their pre fight drug tests by the state athletic commision on one of their first big fight cards.
Thats why they brought in Wada/Usada. To help clean it up and try and prevent that from happening again knowing people were being tested Pre, maybe after, and randomly in the testing pool.

You guys should be glad moto doesnt fall under the states athletic commissions. They are far tougher on penalties than Wada/Usada/.

In fact, they have added time to guys to penalties set by Wada and Usada or the promotion itself.
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9/14/2018 7:35am
Kyle_McNab wrote:
Might as well hit money races.. nothing is going to change they are gonna drag this out for years just like clason
Did you listen to his podcast? No wonder he got popped. He was asking for it.

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