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I attribute this growth to the positive exposure from the wheelie boys.

Bike sales are dropping, but SX viewership is up. Maybe showing Supercross doesn't necesarilly make people want to get out there and do it?
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I may be wrong but aren't most rounds in the half million range with some in the 7-800k? I feel like A1 would be lower due to more SX parties, those who may watch but aren't real fans may not be aware the season is starting, and a late start time for half the country.

It is interesting to note social media vs TV numbers. Also, social media for these guys rivals some major stars. I'm not sure why that is. Aaron Rodgers has about 750k on IG. Kenny at 1 million.

What concerns me is the transition from a spectator sport vs a participation sport. Outside sponsors are much needed because industry sponsors aren't selling products to a spectator.
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Think about how big SX would become if we had audiences like Womens College Soft Ball World Series... Their World Series averaged 1.7M viewers...



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The old ABC/ESPN2 broadcasts in the early 2000's had more viewers by a long ways.

I could of sworn that some rounds had close to a million viewers.

Maybe there's less household with Fox Sports 1.

At least its on an upswing and Fox Sports is interested in continuing to do live broadcasts.

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it's gonna be pretty tough to get ratings when your competition is a nfl playoff game on a local channel
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so for every person in the stadium, there were only 4 watching on TV ?

Yeah, how can that be??

Finnish guy, thanks for worrying so much about things in the USA. THUMBS UP!

I am pretty sure that a Raikkonen sex tape would get less views than an off day NASCAR race.
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KirkChandler wrote:
The old ABC/ESPN2 broadcasts in the early 2000's had more viewers by a long ways. I could of sworn that some rounds had close to a...
The old ABC/ESPN2 broadcasts in the early 2000's had more viewers by a long ways.

I could of sworn that some rounds had close to a million viewers.

Maybe there's less household with Fox Sports 1.

At least its on an upswing and Fox Sports is interested in continuing to do live broadcasts.
The FOX network broadcast last year got about 900,000 viewers


If we where on that network every weekend we’d get some decent ratings. Never gonna happen
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dv12.com wrote:
Think about how big SX would become if we had audiences like Womens College Soft Ball World Series... Their World Series averaged 1.7M viewers... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2018/01/09/237098/s1200_Screen_Shot_2018_01_09_at_5.02.48_PM.jpg[/img]
Think about how big SX would become if we had audiences like Womens College Soft Ball World Series... Their World Series averaged 1.7M viewers...



That does seem a little depressing. For what it's worth, I am down here in SEC country and I can guarantee you that the huge majority of the viewship were just watching because of their school. They don't really know the players or care about softball, they are just rabid fans of a school.
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This won’t last long if we hang on to Ralph and Jeff marvelling at Twitter pictures of sticker bombed 2004 Crf’s and babies
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That does seem a little depressing. For what it's worth, I am down here in SEC country and I can guarantee you that the huge majority...
That does seem a little depressing. For what it's worth, I am down here in SEC country and I can guarantee you that the huge majority of the viewship were just watching because of their school. They don't really know the players or care about softball, they are just rabid fans of a school.
I've always found this strange about some folks from the US. I remember being on my honeymoon in Fiji and a large group of Americans were staying at the same place and a lot of the blokes where wearing college/uni shirts! These fellas were in their 30's and older. What's with all the school pride?? Is it just southern/eastern states? I find it very strange
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My interest in A1 was pretty healthy this year because I had been following the Roczen arm situation...Im sure i am not the only one
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I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it. I'm able to watch it through my streaming...
I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it.

I'm able to watch it through my streaming service, i tried two times. Both times they started with having a priest praying infront of everyone. I as an atheist laughed and shut it down immediately(i have no problem with religious people so don't freak out). I'm just not going to watch something like that.

My understanding is that the NASCAR audience is relatively old? Our audience is relatively young? Like you say. SX would be so cheap for some of the big corporations. I know that Matthes often talks about what the teams would do for a 1 million title sponsor, unspeakable things. But they aren't here for some reason, i wonder why...
You have no problem with religious people but laugh at them for praying? They say a prayer at the rider's meeting at the end of track walk in Supercross, FYI.
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Higher ratings could lead to higher advertising prices, i.e. what Feld pays Fox to advertise their “product” (SX, 3 hour infomercial). Guess who will absorb those costs? Not Feld, but trickle down to the consumer (higher ticket prices) and the riders (even less $ to go around), and possibly the advertisers that pay Feld for commercial time, within the SX “commercial”. So, in the short term, better ratings could actually make things worse (and maybe even long term as Feld probably wouldn’t reverse the additional cost absorption for the long term. Maximizing profits, at all times).
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Motofinne wrote:
I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it. I'm able to watch it through my streaming...
I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it.

I'm able to watch it through my streaming service, i tried two times. Both times they started with having a priest praying infront of everyone. I as an atheist laughed and shut it down immediately(i have no problem with religious people so don't freak out). I'm just not going to watch something like that.

My understanding is that the NASCAR audience is relatively old? Our audience is relatively young? Like you say. SX would be so cheap for some of the big corporations. I know that Matthes often talks about what the teams would do for a 1 million title sponsor, unspeakable things. But they aren't here for some reason, i wonder why...
731chopper wrote:
You have no problem with religious people but laugh at them for praying? They say a prayer at the rider's meeting at the end of track...
You have no problem with religious people but laugh at them for praying? They say a prayer at the rider's meeting at the end of track walk in Supercross, FYI.
Oh no. SX lost a viewer.
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gnarwhip 1/9/2018 8:32pm
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It's because people are making money again, and have time to watch an event and enjoy themselves with a few beverages knowing they'll get back to their job on Monday. Thanks Donny T.
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kzizok wrote:
Higher ratings could lead to higher advertising prices, i.e. what Feld pays Fox to advertise their “product” (SX, 3 hour infomercial). Guess who will absorb those...
Higher ratings could lead to higher advertising prices, i.e. what Feld pays Fox to advertise their “product” (SX, 3 hour infomercial). Guess who will absorb those costs? Not Feld, but trickle down to the consumer (higher ticket prices) and the riders (even less $ to go around), and possibly the advertisers that pay Feld for commercial time, within the SX “commercial”. So, in the short term, better ratings could actually make things worse (and maybe even long term as Feld probably wouldn’t reverse the additional cost absorption for the long term. Maximizing profits, at all times).
Fox has been paying Feld to televise the races for years now.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/05/20/Media/Supe…
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Just stay little racing!!!!! Please. I don't wanna see SX turn into the next football. I love my racing, and I love everyone else saying the heck out.
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Companies are geting like an 11% tax cut. Some of it better be trickling down. Thats hundreds of thousands of dollars
Feld paid 175M for Supercross. 11% is a lot more than hundreds of thousands

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gnarwhip wrote:
It's because people are making money again, and have time to watch an event and enjoy themselves with a few beverages knowing they'll get back to...
It's because people are making money again, and have time to watch an event and enjoy themselves with a few beverages knowing they'll get back to their job on Monday. Thanks Donny T.
Grinning thank god it's a free country so you can believe what you want huh
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Motofinne wrote:
I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it. I'm able to watch it through my streaming...
I have very little experience of NASCAR since i'm from Europe and no one outside USA watches it.

I'm able to watch it through my streaming service, i tried two times. Both times they started with having a priest praying infront of everyone. I as an atheist laughed and shut it down immediately(i have no problem with religious people so don't freak out). I'm just not going to watch something like that.

My understanding is that the NASCAR audience is relatively old? Our audience is relatively young? Like you say. SX would be so cheap for some of the big corporations. I know that Matthes often talks about what the teams would do for a 1 million title sponsor, unspeakable things. But they aren't here for some reason, i wonder why...
731chopper wrote:
You have no problem with religious people but laugh at them for praying? They say a prayer at the rider's meeting at the end of track...
You have no problem with religious people but laugh at them for praying? They say a prayer at the rider's meeting at the end of track walk in Supercross, FYI.
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Give it another year or 2 of double digit growth some moneys coming to the sport. Year to year growth like this is gonna open some...
Give it another year or 2 of double digit growth some moneys coming to the sport. Year to year growth like this is gonna open some doors
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I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR...
I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR anymore, but they sure can SX. Supercross is more extreme, more "youthful", and is actually something that mainstreamers would watch before the same old roundy round NASCAR they are bored of..
It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season.

SX will not grow into a significant money making sport for the networks until they figure out to not put qualifying heats into the broadcast. There are two point paying races at each round and that would fill a hour long show. What they have going on now is only for the diehard fans
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philG wrote:
so for every person in the stadium, there were only 4 watching on TV ?

cameron96 wrote:
There is also the stream package viewers but this sport is weird Kenny has a million followers on IG but no sx gets near that In...
There is also the stream package viewers but this sport is weird

Kenny has a million followers on IG but no sx gets near that In viewers

I followed the sport for years without ever watching a broadcast cause I’m in Canada and couldnt get it on tv till a couple years ago
Same here I watched it for 6 years in Australia on glitchy YouTube replays if it didn't get deleted. Watched it first time the other day live on hd tv and it was Fuken amazing . Loved every second of it..
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I may catch flack for this but I believe that supercross might be better packaged as a 1 hour highlight show for repeats. Statistics that would...
I may catch flack for this but I believe that supercross might be better packaged as a 1 hour highlight show for repeats.

Statistics that would be interesting would be how many are dvring the live show and ffING through all the fluff.

With the new format there is even less racing but still have to sit through 3 hours. What non fan is going to do that on a regular basis.

Highlight the good racing in the heats and lcqs. Cut out everything but the main interviews and trackside stuff with rc and other and show the mains without commercials.

It would be a great show for the general public that are not going to sit through a 3 hour show for an hour of actual racing.
I would prefer this also. 1 hour show with only the main events. No way the general public has the attention span to watch for 3 hours. Hell I don't and I live for this stuff.
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I would have been another one of them but we didn’t have the channel then but were adding it to catch next weekends race.
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right............and for bball 35 these were for both sports openers.........as I said pathetic Key 2017 DAYTONA 500 highlights are below: • The race averaged 11.922 million...
right............and for bball 35 these were for both sports openers.........as I said pathetic

Key 2017 DAYTONA 500 highlights are below:

• The race averaged 11.922 million viewers on FOX, up +5% over 2016's average audience of 11.357 million, peaking at 14.031 million viewers from 6:15-6:30 PM ET
• The DAYTONA 500 scored a 6.6/15 HH rating, which is flat overall compared to the 2016 edition but delivers positive gains across key male and adult demographics:

Daytona 500
DEMOGRAPHIC YEAR-OVER-YEAR HH RATING VS 2016
Men 18-34 +10% 2.2 vs 2.0 (ties a four-year high)
Men 18-49 +9% 3.7 vs 3.4
Men 25-54 +4% 5.2 vs 5.0
Adults 18-34 +13% 1.8 vs 1.6 (ties a four-year high)
Adults 18-49 +4% 2.8 vs 2.7
Adults 25-54 +3% 3.9 vs 3.8
• The race projects to rank as the highest-rated and most-watched sports event of the weekend and the highest-rated and most-watched sports event since the Feb. 5 Super Bowl on FOX
• The DAYTONA 500 projects to rank as FOX's highest-rated and most-watched telecast of any kind since Super Bowl Sunday
• The race continues to remain the No. 1 motor sports event in television
• Top-Five Markets: Core NASCAR markets led the way with Greensboro, N.C., finishing first with a 17.5/31, followed by Greenville, S.C. (16.5/28), Indianapolis (14.4/26), Knoxville, Tenn. (12.7/22) and Jacksonville, Fla. (12.4/22). Markets that experienced the largest year-over-year increases include Austin, Texas (+111%), San Diego (+74%), Oklahoma City (+49%) and Norfolk, Va. (+47%). Yesterday's race also saw significant gains in America's biggest markets, including Chicago (+18%), Philadelphia (+32%), Washington, D.C. (+18%) and Atlanta (+20%).

(Fox Sports)

You can't compare this to Nascar. We will never be that big. You definitely cannot compare it to the Daytona 500. That is the biggest race in the world now. Even though the numbers have been declining it is still the number one watched sport in America. If you relate it to other sports going on last weekend and on that time slot then the numbers are good.

Like I said in my earlier post odds are its the highest rated program on fox sports 1 for the week.
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JustMX wrote:
I may catch flack for this but I believe that supercross might be better packaged as a 1 hour highlight show for repeats. Statistics that would...
I may catch flack for this but I believe that supercross might be better packaged as a 1 hour highlight show for repeats.

Statistics that would be interesting would be how many are dvring the live show and ffING through all the fluff.

With the new format there is even less racing but still have to sit through 3 hours. What non fan is going to do that on a regular basis.

Highlight the good racing in the heats and lcqs. Cut out everything but the main interviews and trackside stuff with rc and other and show the mains without commercials.

It would be a great show for the general public that are not going to sit through a 3 hour show for an hour of actual racing.
I wouldnt want to give up the live broadcast of the races but a 1 hour replay definitely has a place.

The production of the show is in a weird place where there is only enough entertainment for a diehard fan to watch for 3 hours, but all the fluff is produced for the casual fan but its just not that interesting to keep people watching every week. Also most of that fluff has nothing to do with the racing. They do 1 or 2 rider profiles, and 3 or 4 segments that nobody really cares about.

There are huge breaks now between the heats, lcq, and mains. There is time to do a true highlight show of the last weeks races and a sportscenter/pulpmx style "news around the pits" kind of segment. This could be the segment where they are really talking about the riders and teams in the 5-20 positions since that rarely happens during the race. This could be more in depth than what Jenny reports on for 30 seconds at a time

Basically there is a bunch of dead time during the broadcast but also an expectation that you will go to other sources than the sx broadcast to learn about the riders which i think is kinda dumb. The riders are just as much a part of the product as the racing but the broadcast doesnt treat it that way.
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cameron96 wrote:
Give it another year or 2 of double digit growth some moneys coming to the sport. Year to year growth like this is gonna open some...
Give it another year or 2 of double digit growth some moneys coming to the sport. Year to year growth like this is gonna open some doors
gt80rider wrote:
I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR...
I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR anymore, but they sure can SX. Supercross is more extreme, more "youthful", and is actually something that mainstreamers would watch before the same old roundy round NASCAR they are bored of..
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It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season. SX will not grow...
It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season.

SX will not grow into a significant money making sport for the networks until they figure out to not put qualifying heats into the broadcast. There are two point paying races at each round and that would fill a hour long show. What they have going on now is only for the diehard fans
As you have indicated, the format is still wrong for TV.

1 class with 80 riders. 4 quarterfinals advance to 2 semifinals who advance to 1 main.

Top riders ride 3 times, slower riders aren't left out, fans aren't left confused why there is 2 classes that look the same, every race matters. 2 hours to keep the pace moving.
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Since Nielsen changed their households counted in January this year. It’s possible that the viewership has always been high.





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gt80rider wrote:
I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR...
I've been saying for a long time that SX would no bullshit make a perfect replacement in mainstream television for NASCAR. Nobody can relate to NASCAR anymore, but they sure can SX. Supercross is more extreme, more "youthful", and is actually something that mainstreamers would watch before the same old roundy round NASCAR they are bored of..
KennyT wrote:
It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season. SX will not grow...
It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season.

SX will not grow into a significant money making sport for the networks until they figure out to not put qualifying heats into the broadcast. There are two point paying races at each round and that would fill a hour long show. What they have going on now is only for the diehard fans
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As you have indicated, the format is still wrong for TV. 1 class with 80 riders. 4 quarterfinals advance to 2 semifinals who advance to 1...
As you have indicated, the format is still wrong for TV.

1 class with 80 riders. 4 quarterfinals advance to 2 semifinals who advance to 1 main.

Top riders ride 3 times, slower riders aren't left out, fans aren't left confused why there is 2 classes that look the same, every race matters. 2 hours to keep the pace moving.
The current format was not made for television, it was made for a live show. That is the main reason for Feld changing the format with the "Triple Crown" to see how well that works for television.

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It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season. SX will not grow...
It has a ways to go. There will be 10 million plus tuning into the “round rounds” opening race of the season.

SX will not grow into a significant money making sport for the networks until they figure out to not put qualifying heats into the broadcast. There are two point paying races at each round and that would fill a hour long show. What they have going on now is only for the diehard fans
Johnny Depp wrote:
As you have indicated, the format is still wrong for TV. 1 class with 80 riders. 4 quarterfinals advance to 2 semifinals who advance to 1...
As you have indicated, the format is still wrong for TV.

1 class with 80 riders. 4 quarterfinals advance to 2 semifinals who advance to 1 main.

Top riders ride 3 times, slower riders aren't left out, fans aren't left confused why there is 2 classes that look the same, every race matters. 2 hours to keep the pace moving.
bball35 wrote:
The current format was not made for television, it was made for a live show. That is the main reason for Feld changing the format with...
The current format was not made for television, it was made for a live show. That is the main reason for Feld changing the format with the "Triple Crown" to see how well that works for television.

I’m one of those guys that loves to see qualifiers, heats etc but if we are talking about a TV program it needs to be put together better. The majority of the viewers want to see the stars and not the privateers who are very talented but not anywhere near the front runners. It would be like watching a NFL game and being out through the scrimmages with practice squad players. A NASCAR race with 2nd tier drivers trying to make the Main.

Turn the program into a legitimate show that features the points paying Main events and get rid of the pre race crap that only the hardcore fans want to see. We have the internet to get streams if that’s what we want to see

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