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endurox wrote:
I had this kit on my 13 Husaberg TE250. The importer is CSR. They helped me dial the compression shim stack in a bit for trail...
I had this kit on my 13 Husaberg TE250. The importer is CSR. They helped me dial the compression shim stack in a bit for trail riding. Important to be a bit on the soft range for the fork springs. I ran the oil level on the low side also. But at 57, not pushing the bike the way I did at 37.
Good info, thanks!
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If you're in PA you should without a doubt call Jeff at MPR Race Tech. He's done a ridiculous amount of these setups and works very...
If you're in PA you should without a doubt call Jeff at MPR Race Tech. He's done a ridiculous amount of these setups and works very closely with us at Race Tech in California. You won't find a guy more dedicated to making sure you are 100% happy with your bike. He goes to many offroad and moto events as well.

Call Jeff - tell him Chris from Race Tech sent you and I guarantee you he will give you the best product and service you can find. All his contact info is on this page:

MPR Race Tech - Pittsburgh, PA
I'm definitely going to give him a call. Thanks.
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endurox wrote:
Ray kit
Yup, $500 for a Dal Soggio Ray Kit will fix 95% of your problems...
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endurox wrote:
Ray kit
Monk wrote:
Yup, $500 for a Dal Soggio Ray Kit will fix 95% of your problems...
This is tempting.
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12/20/2017 7:06pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2017 7:07pm
I own a 2015 ktm 300 xc......I agree that the forks are terrible........no matter what anyone tells you, to fix them to greatness WILL cost over a thousand........I sent mine to Jeremy Wilkey at MX tech.......and had him put his proprietary valves in ( that a lot of suspension guys including Kreft use.) I believe its called a huck valve but its been a while.

He's not cheap but when he's done......you're forks will work like butter and you will never ever be sorry that you paid the extra amount. I'm a vet expert at moto and Hare scrambles in NE.

Fix the forks and you won't believe how great that bike can be. Don't look for a bargain......get the good stuff and you'll smile.


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endurox wrote:
Ray kit
Monk wrote:
Yup, $500 for a Dal Soggio Ray Kit will fix 95% of your problems...
So you recommend getting the Ray kit. Is it something the average person can install?
12/20/2017 7:37pm
I have a set of sff spring forks from a '14 KXF 250, along with brake caliper/ master/ braided brake line and a complete front wheel (black Excel w/Dunlop mx52 and 270mm rotor w/bracket) EVERYTHING you'll need to bolt it on a KTM/ Husky. $750.00
If interested, I can be reached @ langhammx@sbcglobal.net

All parts were removed from a brand new bike and are in "like new" condition.














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I'll go through this thread and see what everyone says, but I have a '15 KTM 350XCF and am listing it for sale, primarily because of the forks. Like you said, it makes no sense to drop over $1000 into the forks when you can take that money and roll it into a new bike (which I'm doing instead). (60 percent because I'm better / faster on a 2 stroke and 40 percent because they forks just don't absorb anything).

I'm actually opting for an XCW primarily for the open chamber forks.

When I bought my 350 I read and read opinions on what to do and was quickly overwhelmed and turned off. Race tech wanted $1550 and that was with the Pulp discount. *No way* The value just isn't there, for me.

The DIY kit was most-interested in was the Dal Saggio Ray kit. $500 and you install it yourself (therefor you can remove it when you sell the bike to re-sell it or move it to the next bike). Reviews are good.

The more people I talked to and articles I read, it seemed like there really isn't a good fix out there. Other than a full cartridge swap (again, major bucks). For me there is no value in making the forks work VS selling my bike and buying something else with a better platform.
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KGAspeed wrote:
I'll go through this thread and see what everyone says, but I have a '15 KTM 350XCF and am listing it for sale, primarily because of...
I'll go through this thread and see what everyone says, but I have a '15 KTM 350XCF and am listing it for sale, primarily because of the forks. Like you said, it makes no sense to drop over $1000 into the forks when you can take that money and roll it into a new bike (which I'm doing instead). (60 percent because I'm better / faster on a 2 stroke and 40 percent because they forks just don't absorb anything).

I'm actually opting for an XCW primarily for the open chamber forks.

When I bought my 350 I read and read opinions on what to do and was quickly overwhelmed and turned off. Race tech wanted $1550 and that was with the Pulp discount. *No way* The value just isn't there, for me.

The DIY kit was most-interested in was the Dal Saggio Ray kit. $500 and you install it yourself (therefor you can remove it when you sell the bike to re-sell it or move it to the next bike). Reviews are good.

The more people I talked to and articles I read, it seemed like there really isn't a good fix out there. Other than a full cartridge swap (again, major bucks). For me there is no value in making the forks work VS selling my bike and buying something else with a better platform.
Selling my bike and picking up an '18 husky is looking pretty good right now.
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12/20/2017 8:23pm
agn5009 wrote:
Selling my bike and picking up an '18 husky is looking pretty good right now.
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor?

A buddy and I are both buying new bikes and trying to sift through all the specs. He’s actually going with a YZ250X because of the suspension and great motor, but I can’t get past the big-ugly tank he will have to run to get any kind of mileage out of it.

I’m planning on a 250 XCW 2 stroke, given what we ride around here (tech mountain trail).
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agn5009 wrote:
Selling my bike and picking up an '18 husky is looking pretty good right now.
KGAspeed wrote:
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor? A buddy and I are both buying new...
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor?

A buddy and I are both buying new bikes and trying to sift through all the specs. He’s actually going with a YZ250X because of the suspension and great motor, but I can’t get past the big-ugly tank he will have to run to get any kind of mileage out of it.

I’m planning on a 250 XCW 2 stroke, given what we ride around here (tech mountain trail).
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has really got me thinking. I absolutely love my 300xc. Well except the suspension obviously. If I can get my suspension right my bike would be perfect for me.
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12/20/2017 9:33pm
agn5009 wrote:
Selling my bike and picking up an '18 husky is looking pretty good right now.
KGAspeed wrote:
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor? A buddy and I are both buying new...
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor?

A buddy and I are both buying new bikes and trying to sift through all the specs. He’s actually going with a YZ250X because of the suspension and great motor, but I can’t get past the big-ugly tank he will have to run to get any kind of mileage out of it.

I’m planning on a 250 XCW 2 stroke, given what we ride around here (tech mountain trail).
agn5009 wrote:
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has...
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has really got me thinking. I absolutely love my 300xc. Well except the suspension obviously. If I can get my suspension right my bike would be perfect for me.
No, the Huskie TEs all have the open chamber XPlor forks, not the AER. The KTM XCs have the AER.
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I'm obviously in the minority. I like my stock 4cs forks better than my re-worked SSS forks.
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KGAspeed wrote:
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor? A buddy and I are both buying new...
Which Husky? Are they all on the AER forks or do the TEs have the open chamber XPlor?

A buddy and I are both buying new bikes and trying to sift through all the specs. He’s actually going with a YZ250X because of the suspension and great motor, but I can’t get past the big-ugly tank he will have to run to get any kind of mileage out of it.

I’m planning on a 250 XCW 2 stroke, given what we ride around here (tech mountain trail).
agn5009 wrote:
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has...
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has really got me thinking. I absolutely love my 300xc. Well except the suspension obviously. If I can get my suspension right my bike would be perfect for me.
KGAspeed wrote:
No, the Huskie TEs all have the open chamber XPlor forks, not the AER. The KTM XCs have the AER.
Well shit. I guess it would be the TX300 then. They have the AER. Or a KTM 300XC. I'm wishful thinking here anyways.
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socalmx716 wrote:
I spent a lot of time and money on those forks on my 16 TC250 to get them tolerable, only thing that worked was getting rid...
I spent a lot of time and money on those forks on my 16 TC250 to get them tolerable, only thing that worked was getting rid of that bike and buying a YZ.
Same here
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I had FC do mine on my 15 Husky TC125. I was happy with the way they performed.

But then again, I'm a 60 year old vet rider with diminishing skills. lol
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Just out of curiosity how many of the guys posting in this thread have actually ridden WP 4CS forks after a revalve? Or ridden them at all? Mine were actually very good after Enzo hooked them up.

Maybe in stock form they aren't the best but once anyone of a hundred suspension shops fixes them they are fine. Better than many Japanese bikes forks.



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KGAspeed wrote:
I'll go through this thread and see what everyone says, but I have a '15 KTM 350XCF and am listing it for sale, primarily because of...
I'll go through this thread and see what everyone says, but I have a '15 KTM 350XCF and am listing it for sale, primarily because of the forks. Like you said, it makes no sense to drop over $1000 into the forks when you can take that money and roll it into a new bike (which I'm doing instead). (60 percent because I'm better / faster on a 2 stroke and 40 percent because they forks just don't absorb anything).

I'm actually opting for an XCW primarily for the open chamber forks.

When I bought my 350 I read and read opinions on what to do and was quickly overwhelmed and turned off. Race tech wanted $1550 and that was with the Pulp discount. *No way* The value just isn't there, for me.

The DIY kit was most-interested in was the Dal Saggio Ray kit. $500 and you install it yourself (therefor you can remove it when you sell the bike to re-sell it or move it to the next bike). Reviews are good.

The more people I talked to and articles I read, it seemed like there really isn't a good fix out there. Other than a full cartridge swap (again, major bucks). For me there is no value in making the forks work VS selling my bike and buying something else with a better platform.
The internal components/cartridge are the limiting issue with the 4cs. No bottoming cones and a 8mm damping rod only allow you to go so far...

The SSS forks in themselves still need work done if you want to nice and plush. ICS pistons should be drilled (or replaced with metal ones) to prevent oil migration and they should have a shim or two moved to soften the forks up. The SSS forks are great "all around" and can handle big hits or holes, but still too firm with stock valving that for many slower riders they might not be ideal.

The 4cs fork are nice and plush up top, but when you start pushing they become extremely unpredictable. The Ray Kit does help, but it's still uses the stock components... The Sphere kit takes it up another notch, using coatings to reduce friction and adjustable preload. Also uses a bladder over a piston. The design is very much like the older WP CC design but revamped and spruced up.
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Some of you clowns spend too much time reading the the dribble that comes out of the mouth of people at places like Thumper Talk and KTM Talk.
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I'm obviously in the minority. I like my stock 4cs forks better than my re-worked SSS forks.
Man whoever reworked your kyb
Stuff must have left a wrench in them to be worse than 4cs! or you just like soar wrists after each ride! I literally sprang my wrists riding some of the same stuff that my kyb or Showa stuff never even blinked at.
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Melicar wrote:
Some of you clowns spend too much time reading the the dribble that comes out of the mouth of people at places like Thumper Talk and...
Some of you clowns spend too much time reading the the dribble that comes out of the mouth of people at places like Thumper Talk and KTM Talk.
Like what? I did no reading about the 4cs on any forum. I found out for myself that they are awful. Then I started doing research and made this thread because I'm looking for some help. I don't see any dribble in this thread. I see a lot of good opinions in here.
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Melicar wrote:
Some of you clowns spend too much time reading the the dribble that comes out of the mouth of people at places like Thumper Talk and...
Some of you clowns spend too much time reading the the dribble that comes out of the mouth of people at places like Thumper Talk and KTM Talk.
Not sure what your point really is, but there are good, knowledgeable people on both TT and KTM talk...
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My son was picked up as a dealer sponsered KTM MX rider in 2015, first time on a big bike coming off a Supermini... He spent that year taking a beating with those forks, I would ride the bike and just shake my head going through chop and braking bumps... Factory Connection was little help and wasted so much of our time, I went out and bought a new Yamaha (Our dealer didn't sell blue bikes) and put my son on it during a practice day... Last time we both rode a KTM (Multiple other issues with that bike as well)!
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12/21/2017 11:04am
endurox wrote:
Ray kit
Monk wrote:
Yup, $500 for a Dal Soggio Ray Kit will fix 95% of your problems...
agn5009 wrote:
So you recommend getting the Ray kit. Is it something the average person can install?
Yes
good video that comes with the kit. If you can change a sealhead on a rear shock, should be able to install the ray kit yourself.
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agn5009 wrote:
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has...
I guess I just assumed the te 300 has AER. My buddy just picked up a 2018 ktm 300xc and the suspension is fantastic it has really got me thinking. I absolutely love my 300xc. Well except the suspension obviously. If I can get my suspension right my bike would be perfect for me.
KGAspeed wrote:
No, the Huskie TEs all have the open chamber XPlor forks, not the AER. The KTM XCs have the AER.
agn5009 wrote:
Well shit. I guess it would be the TX300 then. They have the AER. Or a KTM 300XC. I'm wishful thinking here anyways.
Well hold on - if you go with the TC or FX, yeah you'll get the AER forks, but they will be valved for moto. Depends on the terrain you're riding. My buddies in the midwest can get away with it because there are literally no rocks anywhere.

But do your research on the Xplor open chambers (and I need to as well). I believe they are good for off-road use. Open chambers are old-school but plush and effective. Like I said, I'm looking for a leftover '17 250XCW almost entirely for the plush off-road setup (but I'm in the {Rockies where the terrain demands it).

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Paul333 wrote:
Just out of curiosity how many of the guys posting in this thread have actually ridden WP 4CS forks after a revalve? Or ridden them at...
Just out of curiosity how many of the guys posting in this thread have actually ridden WP 4CS forks after a revalve? Or ridden them at all? Mine were actually very good after Enzo hooked them up.

Maybe in stock form they aren't the best but once anyone of a hundred suspension shops fixes them they are fine. Better than many Japanese bikes forks.



I'm not doubting that several suspension companies can make them work. But for me its the value of it VS just selling my bike and getting an XCW for example. But thats me.

But a friend of mine has an XC and had his forks done by a local tuner and hates them even more.

As someone mentioned above, I came into buying the bike thinking that the negativity was overblown and I could make them work with some oil-height adjustments and clickers. But not the case.

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