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Gus 12/8/2017 8:58pm
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I'm glad I managed to make it through all 16 pages before this got canned. Interesting and scathing to say the least. I know nothing about this PEDs, SWARMS microdoses, ICBM's or whatever the hell y'all are talking about, so I got nothing there. However, has anyone ever had an IV after a major binge'r or a lengthy moto? I've never raced, but I've been drunk...a lot... and a liter of saline will snap you back to life in no longer than the 15-20 minutes that it takes to run in. Its like magic, simple, untraceable salt water volume. I know that IV use is like "middle school" in comparison to the drugs being thrown around. Is an IV cheating? I dunno, but I can promise you that it would make a hell of a difference, would take very little skill to start on a young, less than 10% body fat prime athlete and carries little to no risk for this particular population.
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rmoto003 12/8/2017 8:59pm
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PEDs should be known as one thing on this website based on the sheer amount of posts that come from them...


Post Enhancing Drugs!

Are you vitard? Do you troll the VitalMX message boards looking for the latest moto scoop?

Do you have a factory ECU or loose sprocket bolts?

Well Ive got bad news! You might be under the influence of PED's!

Common symptoms include shitposting bear pictures, talking about kit suspension, the latest bike shootout, or telling your wife about all the morans you ran into on the web today!
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ocscottie 12/8/2017 9:05pm
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cali11 wrote:
Didn't they show up at RVs house at like 10pm one night to test him?
and Chad at 6am or some shit.
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Gus 12/8/2017 9:09pm
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ocscottie wrote:
and Chad at 6am or some shit.
If I was the tester, I would totally be that guy. Showing up at all kinds of weird times.

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I miss the days when "Let Brock Bye" was controversial.
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Myke 12/8/2017 9:32pm
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16 pages....did any names come out yet? I'm a bit busy with fires here in Ventura to read thru all this, so if someone could update me that would be great.
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Frodad78 12/8/2017 9:34pm
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This Thread is reaching 20 page status quicker than the last Bubba thread. Whats the bigger draw? Jeff or PEDS? I'd say it's split down the middle for most of you guys haha..fuck cheaters
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tkimb 12/8/2017 9:41pm
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Myke wrote:
16 pages....did any names come out yet? I'm a bit busy with fires here in Ventura to read thru all this, so if someone could update...
16 pages....did any names come out yet? I'm a bit busy with fires here in Ventura to read thru all this, so if someone could update me that would be great.
Jeff named RV (simply named and hasn't shown any proof), think that was it so far but apparently has others? Take from that what you will..
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TeamGreen 12/8/2017 9:44pm
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twotwosix wrote:
The UFC also recently went to USADA testing. They have had over 35 athletes fail tests for banned substances in that short time. The average UFC...
The UFC also recently went to USADA testing. They have had over 35 athletes fail tests for banned substances in that short time. The average UFC fighter competes 4 times a year.

Professional Motocross has had Zero athlete test failures. The average MX racer competes 30 times a year.

Professional Supercross has only had two athletes flagged and both were for taking Adderall as prescribed by their doctors without having a proper TUE on file.

PED use is not ‘rampant’ in MX/SX. Jeff Alessi is mistaken. Could it have been back in the 90s to early-2000s? Most certainly, as their was no testing in place.
colintrax wrote:
Where are you in the motocross hierarchy to KNOW ped use isn't rampant?
Where and who are you to know IT IS?
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Johnny Ringo 12/8/2017 10:08pm
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Sounds like that Alessi- villopoto jealousy is acting up again.

Jeff, take a hike
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slipdog 12/8/2017 10:12pm
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Still backing 801
UpTiTe 12/8/2017 10:15pm
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Still backing 801
This.
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JMR1976 12/8/2017 10:16pm
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Still backing 801
Still don’t know if you are serious or being sarcastic. Unsure
DrinkMoreWater 12/8/2017 10:27pm
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Hmm come to think of it there's been some fishy things in the Australian sport of AFL, one club got done for doping in AFL, this team continued to play and no other club or coach complained about playing against them which strongly suggests everyone else was on the gear also. I believe the AFL used that one club as a scapegoat to appear drug free after their ban despite fighting with WADA the whole time trying to get them off.

Now look at James Stewart's case was his PED case as a scapegoat to cover up for the rest of the field?

Then look at Lance Amstrong's case, he was the best just like James and he was the only one to cop it hard, all 3 are very similar situations.

It all comes from the same mentality "if everyone else is doing I have to do it to keep up".
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Just plead out, bro.
TheWeapon 12/9/2017 12:42am
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This has been fantastic. Thanks Jeff for putting your thoughts out there....that takes some serious balls. Good luck.
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colonel 12/9/2017 12:44am
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Most likely yes. They usually show up early in the morning or late at night. Armstrong passed every test he ever took. It is easier to...
Most likely yes. They usually show up early in the morning or late at night. Armstrong passed every test he ever took. It is easier to cheat then it is for USADA to catch you. The lengths people go to cheat is amazing Armstrong and Russia are the best.
No dude, don't base your fact off what the media spins or you read. USA are right up there with the Olympic programs in terms of systematic doping, UK, Russia, Italy and and and.

What Lance was doing was no different to any other top team at the time, the only difference is that he was protected by the powers that be, the others weren't. Lance returned positives all swept under the rug. Mayo returns a positive, he's out.



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kiwifan 12/9/2017 1:06am
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TheWeapon wrote:
This has been fantastic. Thanks Jeff for putting your thoughts out there....that takes some serious balls. Good luck.
I agree !!
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MxKing809 12/9/2017 1:31am
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Spagina767 wrote:
Who would microdose test? Either you're on a TRT dosage, 100 - 200mg a week, or you run a cycle then some pct. micro dosing test...
Who would microdose test? Either you're on a TRT dosage, 100 - 200mg a week, or you run a cycle then some pct. micro dosing test would just lead to your shut down of natural test, and you'd grow tits.
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What ever Spagina.... go build a bridge or a road or whatever......
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colintrax 12/9/2017 1:38am
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twotwosix wrote:
The UFC also recently went to USADA testing. They have had over 35 athletes fail tests for banned substances in that short time. The average UFC...
The UFC also recently went to USADA testing. They have had over 35 athletes fail tests for banned substances in that short time. The average UFC fighter competes 4 times a year.

Professional Motocross has had Zero athlete test failures. The average MX racer competes 30 times a year.

Professional Supercross has only had two athletes flagged and both were for taking Adderall as prescribed by their doctors without having a proper TUE on file.

PED use is not ‘rampant’ in MX/SX. Jeff Alessi is mistaken. Could it have been back in the 90s to early-2000s? Most certainly, as their was no testing in place.
colintrax wrote:
Where are you in the motocross hierarchy to KNOW ped use isn't rampant?
TeamGreen wrote:
Where and who are you to know IT IS?
I never said it is.
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Jrewing 12/9/2017 3:20am
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I've heard some PEDs make your hair change to a certain shade of ginger... I'd rather grow tits and have small balls
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Jaze 12/9/2017 3:52am
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Jeff alessi wrote:
The good thing for me is I've built a case against all these guys, I have names and I have x riders who are messed up...
The good thing for me is I've built a case against all these guys, I have names and I have x riders who are messed up from where they were. And at worse I'll go to my local police station and alert them of a problem because I know what's going on in those motorhomes. It's the marshalls job to get rid of dangerous drug dealers. we have that problem.
Let´s say you are somekind brave man, but do you have case and when this will happen?
And against who? DeCoster and DC?
You better have evidence and background... just saying.
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MXD 12/9/2017 5:05am
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Jeff Alessi is batshit crazy but I believe him. I've never thought this sport was clean. Two of the most dominant guys this sport has ever seen had huge talent but were "fluffy" early on in their careers. They start working with a guy who came up in one of the dirtiest sports of all time and all of a sudden they go from fluffy to the fittest of the fit? And then they abruptly leave the sport? If you look at any one of those things in a vacuum by itself, it can be explained away but when you put all the pieces together, it opens the door to speculation. It's not proof by any means but the gun sure is smoking.

Some other interesting parts of this thread, Spintrax made an excellent point about no one getting caught. I wonder if the Josh Lichtle rumors of him having a ton in adderall in his system are true. If so, that's a shame as his death might have been preventable.
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MXD 12/9/2017 5:10am
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And one other thing, I wish PEDs were legal. The sport is boring when the guys go slower at the end of a moto or when they take 8 months to come back from an acl. Open the flood gates! Hell, turn it into a revenue stream. Sell exclusive sponsorship deals. I hate golf but if some 140 pound little pussy could hit a golf ball 550 yards, I'd probably tune in. BOOM!! Revenue.
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Marcello10 12/9/2017 5:12am
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Jeff Alessi is batshit crazy but I believe him. I've never thought this sport was clean. Two of the most dominant guys this sport has ever...
Jeff Alessi is batshit crazy but I believe him. I've never thought this sport was clean. Two of the most dominant guys this sport has ever seen had huge talent but were "fluffy" early on in their careers. They start working with a guy who came up in one of the dirtiest sports of all time and all of a sudden they go from fluffy to the fittest of the fit? And then they abruptly leave the sport? If you look at any one of those things in a vacuum by itself, it can be explained away but when you put all the pieces together, it opens the door to speculation. It's not proof by any means but the gun sure is smoking.

Some other interesting parts of this thread, Spintrax made an excellent point about no one getting caught. I wonder if the Josh Lichtle rumors of him having a ton in adderall in his system are true. If so, that's a shame as his death might have been preventable.
Dungey was fluffy before he went with Baker? Are you serious? He was the fittest guy out there by far, Villopoto for sure but Dungey hell no
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MXD 12/9/2017 5:16am
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MXD wrote:
Jeff Alessi is batshit crazy but I believe him. I've never thought this sport was clean. Two of the most dominant guys this sport has ever...
Jeff Alessi is batshit crazy but I believe him. I've never thought this sport was clean. Two of the most dominant guys this sport has ever seen had huge talent but were "fluffy" early on in their careers. They start working with a guy who came up in one of the dirtiest sports of all time and all of a sudden they go from fluffy to the fittest of the fit? And then they abruptly leave the sport? If you look at any one of those things in a vacuum by itself, it can be explained away but when you put all the pieces together, it opens the door to speculation. It's not proof by any means but the gun sure is smoking.

Some other interesting parts of this thread, Spintrax made an excellent point about no one getting caught. I wonder if the Josh Lichtle rumors of him having a ton in adderall in his system are true. If so, that's a shame as his death might have been preventable.
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Dungey was fluffy before he went with Baker? Are you serious? He was the fittest guy out there by far, Villopoto for sure but Dungey hell...
Dungey was fluffy before he went with Baker? Are you serious? He was the fittest guy out there by far, Villopoto for sure but Dungey hell no
I said "two of" not "the two". I wasn't talking about Dungey. I don't mean this to be demeaning but how old are you? Maybe you're too young to remember one of Aldon's early clients who was also "fluffy"?

Edit: And if we are talking about the most dominant guys in the sports modern history, I would probably have RD 5th.

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kzizok 12/9/2017 5:29am
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This thread isn’t about people denying that PED use exists in MX/SX. Unless I missed one, I have yet to read a post from someone saying they don’t exist. People believe PED use happens in moto.

What people have a problem with is the singling out of certain people through unfounded accusations.
Jmicmoto13 12/9/2017 5:31am
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Dungey was fluffy before he went with Baker? Are you serious? He was the fittest guy out there by far, Villopoto for sure but Dungey hell...
Dungey was fluffy before he went with Baker? Are you serious? He was the fittest guy out there by far, Villopoto for sure but Dungey hell no
The senior fluffy was a chubby fellow from Florida who just recently closed a team down and raced Ronnie Mac. I believe that’s the first fluffy MXD was referencing. The other guy stayed on one brand his whole career and just rode a shiny, old bike and raced some drag strip with jumps event.
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