Ping rides old Crf450r

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wwoberg 9/1/2017 8:51pm
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I had an 06 CRF 450. I thought it was a monster. One day of riding and/or motos and I was done. Went to a 250F after that, but I hear now the 450's are not like that 06.
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Rockinar 9/1/2017 9:04pm
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These videos are just advertisements and I would put little value on what Ping says.
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Rockinar wrote:
These videos are just advertisements and I would put little value on what Ping says.
These videos are just advertisements and I would put little value on what Ping says.
I don't get this comment. What is he advertising when he says it's a great bike? He isn't saying that the company that made the engine rebuild kit made the bike as good as an '18. That company makes kits for newer bikes too.

Well unless Honda has him set up secretly to try to sell used '05 thru '08 crfs?
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Myke 9/1/2017 9:24pm
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JWACK wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/01/212501/s1200_image.jpg[/img] I have an 08 with kit suspension and it is every bit as good as the 16-18s I have ridden. Just an awesome awesome bike...

I have an 08 with kit suspension and it is every bit as good as the 16-18s I have ridden. Just an awesome awesome bike that feels very organic. And I have an 2018 with just a little time on it for comparison.


Wow nice '08!

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Myke 9/1/2017 9:36pm
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How much you think they spent? Complete engine (stock rebuild), revalved suspension and bigger brakes, there was nothing trick on that bike. Everything else was just...
How much you think they spent? Complete engine (stock rebuild), revalved suspension and bigger brakes, there was nothing trick on that bike. Everything else was just decoration and the original stock parts would do just as well.

The best think about it it was no where even close to set up for Ping and he was still impressed with it.
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The wrench rabbit kit is $765 on RM. But, that DOES NOT include valve train parts.So you are into the engine for at least $1k before...
The wrench rabbit kit is $765 on RM. But, that DOES NOT include valve train parts.So you are into the engine for at least $1k before you even touch the worn out clutch components. PLUS labor (if you cannot do the work).

$1k Engine

Quick cart on RM including

Cheap wheel bearings
Cheap sprockets with o-ring chain
Carb kit
Oil Filter
Oil
Air filter
All suspension bearings
Dunlop tires
Grips
Cheap Levers
Basic cables

About $550 worth and that does not take into account if the clutch or wheels are bad.

Suspension revalves always cost about $800 when shipping and all that is tallied.

That money does not even touch cosmetics either.....

So you are at $2350 right there, and you could throw wheels and a full clutch on top of that. Now I know everything does not need to be replaced, but when you buy a ten year old bike, your receipts tally up quick.
I paid $2600 for mine used. I have put about 50 hours on it so far and have invested about $1200 into it including new plastic and graphics it did not need. It came with the OG plastic in excellent shape.

You could end up putting the money listed above into a used '15 bike if you do not purchase a good one.

I get on this bike and just feel confident. Maybe you could argue that it does not do everything best but I get on it and I feel the layout was custom built for me and I have no doubt that anything I ride through the bike is going to track straight and not do anything weird. Very neutral feeling bike.




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Myke 9/1/2017 9:38pm
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TeamGreen wrote:
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing. Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking...
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing.

Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking into buying the '18.
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better?

That is giving the purchase price of the '08 at $3,149 and shopping around you can get one at $2.600ish.

Figure the '18 your gonna spend about another $700 on tax so that actually makes the '18 $6.700 more.
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burn1986 9/1/2017 9:53pm
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sebastianer wrote:
I find it really interesting what Ping says about the old Honda, that its really close to a new bike. i know that many of you...
I find it really interesting what Ping says about the old Honda, that its really close to a new bike. i know that many of you guys have ridden the 06-08 honda 450 and do you feel the same way he does or is he just put under pressure and have to say its close to a 10 year newer bike. Maby i should buy one my self and see what they are all about, they are dirt cheap now days.
https://youtu.be/mAQSJ6WnUuM
Cool vid. He seemed a little shocked at how good the bike is. Now they just need to try that on an older YZ426 and compare. Or an older YZ250F.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing. Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking...
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing.

Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking into buying the '18.
Myke wrote:
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better? That is giving the purchase...
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better?

That is giving the purchase price of the '08 at $3,149 and shopping around you can get one at $2.600ish.

Figure the '18 your gonna spend about another $700 on tax so that actually makes the '18 $6.700 more.
I had a 07 crf450 with a yosh pipe and suspension. My current bikes are 15 crf450, 13 rmz450, 16.5 Fe 450, all set up with pipes, ignition, remaps etc. The newer bikes are hands down better bikes. Faster, lighter,slimmer, etc.
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need2ride 9/1/2017 10:25pm
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Wonder why he stuck to the Vet track.... all the other tests he does at Pala he's on the Main. Maybe not very confidence inspiring?
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MBR 9/2/2017 12:19am
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We just did a 2007 vs. 2017 Honda CRF450R comparision test for Finnish OffroadPro magazine and it was pretty cool to see that the old one is still pretty competitive against the modern bike. Due carburetor the 2007 engine feels a bit "rougher", but the biggest difference the forks and how loud it was. We used Litpro for the data and one test rider was actually faster on 2007.

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wsc96 9/2/2017 1:16am
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Nice MBR. I don't suppose any of the article is available online?
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SethCo117 9/2/2017 4:11am
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Makes you wonder what the 2030 bikes will look like and if any 2018 could still compete
sgrimmxdad 9/2/2017 4:27am
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Love my08 CRF 450 so much I bought a 250 to match it!
wideopen198 9/2/2017 4:33am
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Love my08 CRF 450 so much I bought a 250 to match it!
Don't try a fuel injected 250 then.... I had a CRF250 '07 and it was a piece of shit compared to my CRF250 '10. 450's might be a different ball game but the recent 250's are definitely a lot better then the old ones.
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My 07 is going to make a great backup bike once I get my 17/18 crf450 in the spring. For me, I don't really want to get a new bike, I feel it's a safety issue at this point. Transmission and frame have around 360 hours on them, and she started missing 2nd to 3rd shifts occasionally this summer.

I only needed 2 laps on the 18 to feel the difference. It's not way better, but it has a couple traits that I prefer to the 07.
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TeamGreen 9/2/2017 5:55am
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TeamGreen wrote:
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing. Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking...
I loved the vid; but, do the math...there's THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in that thing.

Also, ride that bike back-to-back against an '18 and you'll be looking into buying the '18.
Myke wrote:
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better? That is giving the purchase...
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better?

That is giving the purchase price of the '08 at $3,149 and shopping around you can get one at $2.600ish.

Figure the '18 your gonna spend about another $700 on tax so that actually makes the '18 $6.700 more.
My friend and excellent bike builder, Allan Brown, has an IMMACULATE 2008 CRF450R with A-Kit and epic jetting. I spent a day on it riding in the hills of Hisperia. It was PERFECT. But, it was...a bike with a Carburetor & that was obvious.

They ARE the bench-mark for the 1st gen 4T MXers. They ARE EXCELLENT.

But...they are old and from "back then" & that all shows when you ride'em "back to back" with the new stuff. I just spent a week riding all of the '18s...they're ALL better.

I'm jus' knowin'.
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I bought a 2006 CRF450r for cheap. I knew it needed lots of work and granted things are a little more expensive up here in Canada...
I bought a 2006 CRF450r for cheap. I knew it needed lots of work and granted things are a little more expensive up here in Canada. initial cost 2k, rebuilt the whole engine myself - my first 4 stroke rebuild. I bought a new OEM crank, cylinder, piston, cam chain and Head with SS valves. I did all the tranny bearings, wheel bearings, linkage, swing arm, and brakes. Luckily it had new tires on it lol I bought new plastics and seat cover as well as chain guides and a million other little things like filters and cables and controls. All in I spent 3 k on parts and it still wasn't perfect. It could use rims and definitely needs new rotors. Still 5 K Canadian and I have a solid bike. I've put 75 hours on it so far with no real problems. I'm doing some suspension work on it now but I will probably never sell it. Definitely the best bike I've ever had.
Quite an accomplishment. I'd probably have a small bucket of parts left over. "waasthat"?
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pete24 9/2/2017 6:28am
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if you do what Myke did, buy a well taken care of used crf your not going to spend what the mag did
i bought my 08 new , it has 130 hrs on it
motor wise its had one piston , never needed a valve adjustment, needed a whole clutch, basket, hub. pressure plate, fibers metals and springs
its had a couple bottom shock bearings, countless tires, and normal wear parts, a couple complete carb rebuilds
we bring it to the races now just in case someone needs a bike cuz theirs broke
i won two motos on it last year
my buddy raced it at southwick this year and got the same finish he got the following week on his new 18
im never going to touch the motor again, if it has a major problem im going to roll it in the corner and drink beer and look at it, its the best four stoke ive ever owned
this pik was at Mototown in CT, when it reopened



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Myke wrote:
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better? That is giving the purchase...
When is the last time you rode a properly set up '08? You really think the '18 is $6,000 difference better?

That is giving the purchase price of the '08 at $3,149 and shopping around you can get one at $2.600ish.

Figure the '18 your gonna spend about another $700 on tax so that actually makes the '18 $6.700 more.
No one here is arguing about the bikes being solid. But, the fact of the matter is, the new bikes are better. They are not leaps and bounds better, but are much more "refined". I have old Kawasaki two strokes....and i know a new smoker would not really benefit me as I love the chassis, but I have ridden my friends 2017 KTM 250sx...and trust me, things get better with time.

Plus, you can replace every bearing and seal in an old bike, and they will never ever feel "new" again.
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Tarz483 9/2/2017 8:05am
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need2ride wrote:
Wonder why he stuck to the Vet track.... all the other tests he does at Pala he's on the Main. Maybe not very confidence inspiring?
I Believe he is giving his Honest opinion
As far as why he us on the vet track
I would guess it could be in part to the bike being set up
For someone much taller
And you could see that the shock was to stiff for him .
Bike looks great tho
Gives hope to us that cant afford a new one Smile
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burn1986 9/2/2017 8:13am
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Yeah new bikes are better but the point was to see if a bargain bike could perform close to new bikes. It obviously did and in the real world they are a whole lot cheaper. What's the price difference between a good '08 and a new '18? Yeah, ok
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PFitzG38 9/2/2017 8:16am
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All I know is I could go way faster on this bike an 06. I would holeshot 90% of my races and was concidered a winning intermediate or midpack expert at REM

Than I can go on this bike a 2017 no holeshots - had to move down to intermediate again and can't even hold my own. First bike I have EVER taking to a dealer- won't shift into 4th or 5th. Thank god KTM stands behind thier bikes, because I can feel the light wieght potential late in motos, just havnt been able to tap into it yet


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MBR 9/2/2017 8:51am
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Nice MBR. I don't suppose any of the article is available online?
Unfortunately no as it is only for magazine. The laptimes were between the two bikes were less than 2 seconds apart with all the riders, so the difference is not huge. On corners the 2017 is more on rails and the 2007 you tend to slide around. The ergos are really similar and you feel right home on both bikes. Our test rider Eemi Mutikainen put down some nice whips and scrubs on both bikes.

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Andy_Greenney wrote:
Had a 05, 06, 07 and two 08s before getting a new 12. The 08 feels like an absolute tractor compared to the 12 in every...
Had a 05, 06, 07 and two 08s before getting a new 12. The 08 feels like an absolute tractor compared to the 12 in every way. Handling, weight, power delivery.
Full ohlins set up, Hinson 6 spring and akrapovic pipe on the 12, I haven't found anything yet that comes close.
Agree with your comments. Owned an 05, 06 & 08 CRF450r carbed models. Also owned the 1st yr. efi 09 & still own a 10 that is dialed. The 05-08 models were good bikes for that era, but the 09-12's are noticeably lighter & turn much better in comparison. Also with an aftermarket exhaust (oem is choked up) & remap it really wakes up the topend.
The 10 still owned has FC suspension, Yosh RS-4 Ti/Ti, remap & a Hinson 6 spring clutch, I still have yet to ride on a better 450. Hoping to ride a 17 or 18 model in the near future.

$500 on a rebuild for a 10 yr old 450 4t bike is highly unlikely unless you have connections or own an mx store. I can spend that much on tires, tubes, fluids, brake pads, air filter & a few other misc parts. I've spent $800 on FC revalve / respring suspension on average on a couple of the 450's.
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PFitzG38 9/2/2017 9:25am
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Pirate421 wrote:
That thing had Tusk wheels, brakes, sprockets and chain, tires, bars. Right there is over $1,000. Plus engine build and whatever misc stuff I bet any...
That thing had Tusk wheels, brakes, sprockets and chain, tires, bars. Right there is over $1,000. Plus engine build and whatever misc stuff I bet any normal rider with that bike would have $3k in this project. That's a hell of a down payment on a new bike.
Yeah, but then all you have is a new STOCK bike, with payments no less. You still need to throw lots $$ IMHO to make it competitive with your old MODIFIED bike. I just got a new 2017 bike and trust me Ping is right new bikes are way overrated.
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mark_swart 9/2/2017 9:29am
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Myke wrote:
I love my '08! Factory Connection suspension and link, I really can't imagine a bike being any better for me. And I can win on it...
I love my '08! Factory Connection suspension and link, I really can't imagine a bike being any better for me.

And I can win on it!



I second you on the FC suspension. I raced an 05 in 06-08, then moved on. In '14 I decided to get another four stroke and went with an 06, this time with FC suspension. I raced and loved that bike, won a lot on it. Might still have it if it hadn't gotten stolen. And I'm convinced I was never as fast on the '12 RMZ 450 I replaced it with.

"Dry weight" on the 06 is listed at 218.5 lbs. I can't find a dry weight on the new ones, but the curb weight is 243.

Also, this was sort of an interesting excerpt from the MXA test on the '17:

"The 2017 chassis undoes the effects of the 2009 geometry by going back in time..... In essence, the 2017 Honda CRF450 frame geometry has more in common with the 2008 numbers than any bike in the previous eight years. “Cab forward” is a thing of the past at Honda. As a side note, the Honda R&D department flew in 2008 Honda CRF450 test riders Drey Dircks and Spud Walters to double-check the 2017 frame against their memories of the 2008 geometry."

But... that old one will never look as sexy or have an e-start...

jerry atrick moto 9/2/2017 9:58am
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I'm 58 still riding this 03 have ridden newer bikes and yes can tell a difference. But this old bike just fits me if that makes any since. Better off to spend the money buying my boys newer bikes ,and then let'em eat roost off this old pig Ha






GoldenState54 9/2/2017 10:00am
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I've got no desire to off my 07 for a newer model. Fuck those new bike prices and the trial and error bullshit they are pulling with the suspension.
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Kenny Lingus 9/2/2017 10:02am
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Just got off a '05 and got a '18. They are similar where it counts and different where it matters. Having many years to perfect the '05 helped. Once I have the '18 dialed in it should be quite a bit better. For sure it starts easier.
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JWACK wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/09/01/212501/s1200_image.jpg[/img] I have an 08 with kit suspension and it is every bit as good as the 16-18s I have ridden. Just an awesome awesome bike...

I have an 08 with kit suspension and it is every bit as good as the 16-18s I have ridden. Just an awesome awesome bike that feels very organic. And I have an 2018 with just a little time on it for comparison.


Ahh crap!! Man....I loved my 08' Honda s bunch and probably the main reason I sold it....I could never get the suspension to feel good. Even after having FC do mine....it just wasn't good. But kit stuff? Oh hell yeah , if that stuff is setup right , I bet that old CRF feels pretty damn good!

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