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Fu#$in greenies.
I'd be real surprised if electric technology is ready in twenty years to pull a 40 ton semi trailer down the road day and night?????? or pull a plow through a corn field all day.
If airplanes are considered transportation...........would you hop on an all electric airplane for a trip across country???? or for that matter 500 miles???? And that also means that we may be going back to propeller driven airplanes that are noisy and inefficient . A jet engine is useless in the current configuration without fuel. I'd like to see how they handle that problem in 22 years? And how heavy would an airplane be with batteries that held enough power to get you across county. We obviously don't have that technology yet I don't think..
20 years comes faster than expected usually and I'm guessing the folks that think electricity is the answer.....have really no idea the fuel, power, and energy it takes to pull 80,000 pounds across the country, or pull a loaded cargo train across the country......or get a many, many ton airliner to climb into the air and cruise across the world at 35 thousand feet at 500 MPH?
Big trains do use electric motors, but they are hooked to a large generator that is hooked to a f'ing humongous DIESEL engine. I can't even fathom how they would store the electricity to run a cargo train across the country unless they do something like the cable cars do?????
Most older dudes know that 20 years comes and goes fairly quickly. That being said, I think that we need to push forward for alternative energy on everything.......but why make our lives miserable trying to reach a crazy almost unattainable goal? We'll get there I believe.
As locals we're willing to lose jobs so our children have a better/cleaner future. Aren't you?
And I ain't no greenie.
Checkout the "Venus Project". Things can be so much better.
https://www.thevenusproject.com/multimedia/technology-resource-based-ec…
I was trying in my post to not sound like a know it all....because I figured that there was probably technology out there that I knew nothing about. Plus I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that some scientist somewhere has a pretty firm grasp on teleportation and has possibly moved something that way.
Man....that would be the way to travel.......as long as a fly doesn't sneak into the chamber...
I read several studies comparing electric and gas vehicles and they conclude that in areas that use coal at the other end of the power cord to charge your chevy volt, the carbon footprint is worse in most cases compared to gas vehicle. That's considering everything from manufacturing, shipping, sale, all the way to the end life of car.
I agree though if home solar panels can charge your car then it makes sense.
Electric Vehicles: Just How Green Are They?
By Pamela Worth
You’re a savvy consumer, concerned with your carbon footprint. If you’re considering buying an electric vehicle, you’re faced with a lot of misinformation. “Your electric vehicle might not be as green as you think,” reads one headline. “There are places where electric cars pollute more than gas-powered cars,” cautions another. Will your electric car suck up electricity generated by coal-fired power plants, negating any benefit to the environment? Is the process required to manufacture an electric car’s powerful battery just as bad as burning gasoline? Should you just throw in the towel and get a gas guzzler?
Not So Fast!
Recent research by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that driving and charging an electric vehicle anywhere in the United States produces fewer global warming emissions than driving an average new gas-powered vehicle. Furthermore, the research shows that more than two-thirds of Americans live in areas where driving an average electric vehicle is better for the planet than even the most efficient hybrid vehicle on the market. (Learn more about these results.)
Using the latest data about how electricity is generated around the country, as well as crunching the numbers on the energy and materials required to build the batteries that power electric cars, UCS analysts examined all global warming emissions created during an electric car’s lifetime—from its production and years of driving to its eventual retirement. The research considered emissions based on models similar to the two most popular electric cars available to American drivers: the midsize Nissan Leaf and the full-size Tesla Model S.
From the Factory to the Road
UCS researchers found that, although the production of lithium-ion batteries leads to more global warming emissions from the manufacturing of an electric car than a gas-powered car, these manufacturing emissions are rapidly offset by reduced emissions from driving: after 4,900 miles, or about six months, of driving the midsize electric car, and within 19,000 miles, or about 16 months, of driving the full-size model.
Of course, while electric cars produce no tailpipe emissions, that doesn’t mean there are no emissions associated with driving them. Just how green they are ultimately depends on how the electricity used to charge the car’s battery is generated. To offer the most accurate assessment possible, UCS analysts rated 26 regions of the United States using power plant data from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). A region that relies more heavily on coal-powered electricity generation, for example, rated worse for global warming emissions than a region using more renewable sources of energy.
The results? Even for U.S. regions with the least renewable electricity generation, the analysis showed that:
Driving the average electric vehicle in any region of the country produces lower global warming emissions than the average new gas-powered car getting 29 miles per gallon.
More than 66 percent of Americans now live in regions where powering an electric car on the regional electricity grid produces lower global warming emissions than a gas-powered or hybrid car getting 50 miles per gallon.
Thanks to the Clean Power Plan released by the EPA this year, and to improved state renewable energy standards, regional grids are using more and more renewable energy—meaning the environmental benefits of driving electric cars will almost surely improve.
Across the Country, Electric Vehicles Are a Cleaner Choice
How Does Your State Rate?
Electric cars are clean and getting cleaner and their popularity is steadily increasing among consumers. Even so, gas-powered cars remain the norm for American drivers. Cutting oil use and moving toward cleaner electricity worldwide are both vital to avoiding the worst impacts of climate change, and electric vehicles are part of the solution—as are stronger fuel economy and global warming emissions standards for gas-powered cars.
Before you give in to misinformation, get the facts on how your state rates for global warming emissions from electric versus gas-powered cars. Visit our EV Tool and enter your zip code to see how different types of vehicles compare where you live.
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Regardless, I'm not trying to argue electric cars won't be the future just that I think there are a lot of moving pieces that need worked out before we shut down the petroleum industry.
Once again, no one takes into account everything I listed to get gasoline into your fuel tank for an ICE vehicle. Also, we have far greater control over coal powered plants CO2 levels than emissions from ICE vehicles that range over 30 years. On the conversation of coal power plants. Most are now switched over to natural gas or are moving that way at this point. Although I don't know if it is better or worse personally.
We are literally on the bleeding edge of electric mobility whereas ICE technology is maxed out. It's already proven EV in its current form is far better than ICE. The real question is how much better does it get?
As for the petroleum needed for plastic statements. We have started making some plastics out of plants and Coca-Cola is one of the companies leading the charge to make all plastic cups out of plants instead of petroleum. I'm not up to speed on it other than reading briefly about it at a Blaze Pizza this summer.
Which in all fairness I can accept a lot easier.
Electric motors are pure torque, obviously manufactures would need to develop electric Ram 3500's for us, but it seems feasible to me. These Telsa motors are clearly putting out some good torque and have a range of around 250 miles.
While I'm far from these stereotype people you've listed. I do live in this so called "rural" america that you speak of, so much so that my entire house is run off solar and batteries as there are no utilities near me. I do have a propane 14kw generator that will kick on as needed, I've lived in my house since May 1st and it has not started once. My dad was up here with his Tesla and we drove it everyday like a normal car and came home and it charged all night off my batteries ready to go again in the morning.
I also drive a deleted Ram 3500 and tow several times a week for work, I have no doubt that within 20 years I will have options for a truck that can tow 20k+ at least 100 miles, I will then be able to charge my truck every night from energy I collected for free from the sun.
The problem I feel with EV is people are so caught up in the division between us politically and socially that they are unwilling to accept good ideas that the other side has.
Alternative energy is expensive ! People with no money cannot afford it but people like Musk take tax payers money to subsidies it. Developing or regressing economies in Africa cannot afford it they can hardly get food to put on the fire they built from the wood they gathered. The whole system is rigged to flow the money form the poor to the rich elites ! Its irritating as if Musk needs $4.9 Billion of USA tax payer money to say "electric" all those hard working citizens just getting by and using a recycled old truck and using gas are actually more environmental friendly than an electric car that has damaged the environment before it has even been used equivalent to 8 years of using a gas powered vehicle.
The UK government can shut its own fuel based programs 1st !!!! No Fuel Flights - No Fuel Military - No Fuel Shipping - No Fuel Electric generation including Uranium before it goes an imposes its laws on it poor struggling citizens !!! The attack the little guy 1st so the big guy can get fat is BS.
Here is the lie - A person that drives a recycled small bore motorcycle is far for environmentally friendly than someone that buys a brand new Prius . Which one is celebrated as being green ?
1980s: 'You'll never get me on a four stroke'.
2000s: 'You'll never get me on a two stroke'.
2010s: 'You'll never get me to drive an electric car'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit
" When the pit water level eventually reaches the natural water table, estimated to occur by around 2020, the pit water will reverse flow back into surrounding groundwater, polluting into Silver Bow Creek which is the headwaters of Clark Fork River.[1] The acidic water in the pit carries a heavy load of dissolved heavy metals. In fact, the water contains so much dissolved metal (up to 187 ppm Cu) that some material is mined directly from the water. "
https://www.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-…
That's not too many years away.
They might have the infrastructure ready, and it may be far easier for them due to the size of the country, I guess.
Australia? It's a bloody big country, and, as urbanized as we are (for such a massive country, we are mainly packed into urban / Suburban areas), we have such spread out Suburbs, with not the best public transport, so people will be in private vehicles for a long, long time. Though, of course tonight, I saw a group of talking heads going on about how they didn't need / own cars, so why do 'other people' need them - clueless f**king wankers.....
One of our (current) biggest fuck ups, is the large scale privatization of Electricity Production (and water / gas etc etc).. Private Enterprise providing the basics of Societies needs just ends up with higher prices, as the companies look to profits / dividends for share holders , and do sweet FA investment into new facilities. The pricks are, largely, just running old power generators until they are well past their 'use by' dates, then just closing them down, without having brought in new Generating Facilities. Then looking for more 'handouts' from the Government / Taxpayers. Now, I'm a fearsome capitalist for the most part, but putting the necessities of life into Private hands, is asking for trouble. A classic example : currently, we have the lunacy of Australians paying much, Much more for our own Natural Gas, than countries that buy it from us (at sweetheart rates, or for the tiniest of royalties paid), take it across the globe, yet their end user pays far less for it than our end users do here. Most countries around the World have the sense to set priority for local use, for so many things, but not our dickhead officials.
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