Will there be a new RM85?

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bsharkey wrote:
its a unwritten rule that NO ONE does. they all stretch or cheat the rules as much as possible. plus you have to strictly say which...
its a unwritten rule that NO ONE does. they all stretch or cheat the rules as much as possible. plus you have to strictly say which part is illegal not just say "the motor"
mx836 wrote:
Claiming a bike has nothing to do with stating if you think a motor is modified. That is a protest. Completely different. The claiming rule is...
Claiming a bike has nothing to do with stating if you think a motor is modified. That is a protest. Completely different.

The claiming rule is to prevent people from spending a ton of money and having an unfair advantage. I don't recall exactly what it takes money wise to claim a bike. It's all in the rule book.
The cost to claim a bike is twice the msrp of the bike when new.
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Tracktor wrote:
Ktm 85's are the best mini out there. Yeah they have their issues but notnearly like any of the rest. We tried all colors with my...
Ktm 85's are the best mini out there. Yeah they have their issues but notnearly like any of the rest. We tried all colors with my older boy a few years ago and settled on blue. My younger boy just moved up so i bought a new KX to try. Poor handling and impossible to work on. The forks are crap even the 2003 Yz forks are more advanced. No removeable subframe and it takes an act if god to change a top end.
Sold it and bought a Ktm. From first ride he was faster and happier. Easy to work on. Top ends take under an hour. Bottom ends are easy also. Fast & smooth right out of the box.
I get wanting to be done with KTM after minis but they have the 65 & 85's figured out from my experience.......
mjr119 wrote:
What would be slowing you down on the top end of the Jap bikes?
Tracktor wrote:
The YZs were cake. The KX is a total pain. You have to remove the head stays, radiator, electronics,etc to even get to the barrel (...
The YZs were cake. The KX is a total pain. You have to remove the head stays, radiator, electronics,etc to even get to the barrel ( going from memory here). Everything is so packed in there you cant work. Just look at a KX vs the KTM/Husky and you will see what i mean. .....
Completely false. Just rebuilt a kx85 a week ago and no you do not have to touch the radiator or electronics to do a top end. It was as simple as any other 2-stroke with a power valve.
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2/20/2017 6:19pm
rrjr wrote:
The cost to claim a bike is twice the msrp of the bike when new.
That is what I thought, but didn't want to say without knowing for sure. Thanks for confirming.

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Have any of your guys kids had any issues with the ktm 85 not having a linkage? Ever since they put the link on their other models, ive always wondered why they never put a linkage on their 85s. Just wondering out of curiosity.
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bsharkey wrote:
its a unwritten rule that NO ONE does. they all stretch or cheat the rules as much as possible. plus you have to strictly say which...
its a unwritten rule that NO ONE does. they all stretch or cheat the rules as much as possible. plus you have to strictly say which part is illegal not just say "the motor"
mx836 wrote:
Claiming a bike has nothing to do with stating if you think a motor is modified. That is a protest. Completely different. The claiming rule is...
Claiming a bike has nothing to do with stating if you think a motor is modified. That is a protest. Completely different.

The claiming rule is to prevent people from spending a ton of money and having an unfair advantage. I don't recall exactly what it takes money wise to claim a bike. It's all in the rule book.
rrjr wrote:
The cost to claim a bike is twice the msrp of the bike when new.
Adam Chatfield claimed Mike Alessis last supermini at lorettas in 2003. Kind of shitty cause tony had planned to give that supermini to terry varner as a thank you gift for all the work he had done for them over the years.
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Completely false. Just rebuilt a kx85 a week ago and no you do not have to touch the radiator or electronics to do a top end...
Completely false. Just rebuilt a kx85 a week ago and no you do not have to touch the radiator or electronics to do a top end. It was as simple as any other 2-stroke with a power valve.
Agreed. One of the easiest bikes Ive ever worked on. Im not a big fan of the airbox design, so I was meticulous and removed and cleaned it along with filter, etc after every ride and barely added anytime. Top ends, super easy. I think even bikes that are more difficult can be more efficient through routine.
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I hear many KTM and White Husky (KTM) mini Dads complaining on how much parts are and constantly having to work on them. The dealers in our area suck, so they order everything on line. Something always going wrong with these race bikes. Even after the best prep work, replacing parts during the week, bikes breaking on race day is very common. One mini Dad with one son racing told me he buys 4 small bore KTM/Husky (white KTM's) bikes every year, 1 to race, 1 for practice, and 2 for parts. That sucks and is expensive!!! Does not sound like a fun, cheap family sport to me. And his son is more into his smart phone, head phones and video games, it really pisses his Dad off. The kid is a very good rider but would rather be texting than racing. This Dad is going to pull the plug on his kid racing motocross and even riding next year and sell everything and move on. He said if the kid want's a bike, he needs to get a good job, lol. That is exactly what my Dad told me in the early 70's. I did it by mowing lawns in my neighborhood all summer. But a brand new Yamaha GT-80, Suzuki TM-75 or a Honda XR-75 were like $400.00 from your local dealer or you could find a good clean used one for around $200.00 or so in the newspaper. Times have changed.
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2/20/2017 9:17pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2017 9:39am
DD325 wrote:
Completely false. Just rebuilt a kx85 a week ago and no you do not have to touch the radiator or electronics to do a top end...
Completely false. Just rebuilt a kx85 a week ago and no you do not have to touch the radiator or electronics to do a top end. It was as simple as any other 2-stroke with a power valve.
Lol, did you not read I was going from memory? I got rid of that pos awhile ago. That said, I hope they work great for you......Btw, have you ever done a top end on a KTM 85?.......I guess I should clarify I have been referencing 13 & up KTMs and 14 & up KX's. Other years may be different. I gave no brand loyalty at all and if Yamaha redid the YZ i would probably switch....
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2/21/2017 2:50am
wfo4ever wrote:
I hear many KTM and White Husky (KTM) mini Dads complaining on how much parts are and constantly having to work on them. The dealers in...
I hear many KTM and White Husky (KTM) mini Dads complaining on how much parts are and constantly having to work on them. The dealers in our area suck, so they order everything on line. Something always going wrong with these race bikes. Even after the best prep work, replacing parts during the week, bikes breaking on race day is very common. One mini Dad with one son racing told me he buys 4 small bore KTM/Husky (white KTM's) bikes every year, 1 to race, 1 for practice, and 2 for parts. That sucks and is expensive!!! Does not sound like a fun, cheap family sport to me. And his son is more into his smart phone, head phones and video games, it really pisses his Dad off. The kid is a very good rider but would rather be texting than racing. This Dad is going to pull the plug on his kid racing motocross and even riding next year and sell everything and move on. He said if the kid want's a bike, he needs to get a good job, lol. That is exactly what my Dad told me in the early 70's. I did it by mowing lawns in my neighborhood all summer. But a brand new Yamaha GT-80, Suzuki TM-75 or a Honda XR-75 were like $400.00 from your local dealer or you could find a good clean used one for around $200.00 or so in the newspaper. Times have changed.
I've heard a lot of people say the ktm's and huskies, that these bikes are known for crank failures. A guy I know bought his boy 2 huskies and he did have a crank failure. Totally turned me away from these bikes, I bought my boy 2 new yz85's, and we absolutely love them, great bikes. You know ktm stands for "Keeps Taking Money" or gotta go to the ATM for my KTM.
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2/21/2017 6:09am
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by mini bike Dad. None of them will ever admit it but most of them are not good mechanics and its far easier to blame the bike or buy a spare parts bike. No brand is immune from mini bike Dad's mad skillz.
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2/21/2017 6:51am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2017 6:53am
Mouse153 wrote:
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by...
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by mini bike Dad. None of them will ever admit it but most of them are not good mechanics and its far easier to blame the bike or buy a spare parts bike. No brand is immune from mini bike Dad's mad skillz.
So true. I work at a KTM dealership and it's funny listening to all their little tricks to add "15hp" to their kids 50. Also about how they're profesional engine builders because they put in a vforce reed block and changed the rings. And lightly sanding the head for the more mechanically inclined dads.
2/21/2017 6:54am
Mouse153 wrote:
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by...
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by mini bike Dad. None of them will ever admit it but most of them are not good mechanics and its far easier to blame the bike or buy a spare parts bike. No brand is immune from mini bike Dad's mad skillz.
mingham97 wrote:
So true. I work at a KTM dealership and it's funny listening to all their little tricks to add "15hp" to their kids 50. Also about...
So true. I work at a KTM dealership and it's funny listening to all their little tricks to add "15hp" to their kids 50. Also about how they're profesional engine builders because they put in a vforce reed block and changed the rings. And lightly sanding the head for the more mechanically inclined dads.
Lol I know a few of these 50 dads you are speaking of.

They do a top end perfectly every time, without measuring. Or doing anything else besides replacing the piston a ring.
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I should of known this wouldn't be simple haha. I think the best thing I could do is put him on different bikes and see which he prefers. I'm pretty sure there's one of each brand he could try between friends. What's people's thoughts on TM? I'm in the UK so the bikes are pretty easy to get hold of. There's actually a dealer no more than a mile away who could get me one.
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It is funny to see how like 4-6 years ago I stamped that that mini lines up would be totally orange very soon. (And nobody but euros believed me)

The suzuki bonus is no doubt a great incentive. I think any bike can be fast enough especially while transitioning from the 65.

Last but not least, I heard about mini dads, true, but it is also necessary to take into account that these mini bikes are delivering something like 300hp+ per liter, and most are ridden hard. That is why I was suggesting earlier to buy 2 bikes, just to make sure 1 is running.

It is possible to sell some of the 2nd (3rd 4th) bike as spare parts. That way you can keep lots of good parts too and almost break even (by experience). Basically if you have 10 grounds, bring back a full truck from LL (3 or 4 fast bikes plus parts, gear, tyres, lub), sell with the help of your kid 4k of spare parts which will help him to learn business too, then you are very well equipped for 2 seasons including some pistons. That supports families that are invested in the sport as well since it is not so easy to get rid of bikes at the end of each seasons and that money will go back immediately into bikes, parts, training etc.
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Mouse153 wrote:
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by...
Working races and helping to tow or push bikes back to the pits for little Junior I'd estimate 99% of mini bike problems are caused by mini bike Dad. None of them will ever admit it but most of them are not good mechanics and its far easier to blame the bike or buy a spare parts bike. No brand is immune from mini bike Dad's mad skillz.
This x10! I've bought some interesting bikes through the years. Guys brag about how fast a 50 is then check the brakes while going over bike and they are full of jelly the fluid id do old.

Our YZ's were bulletproof & if they updated that bike I would be first in line. Even as it is it's more adavanced in many ways that the KX. With proper tuning even the lack of powervalve isn't a bad thing if your kid can twist it.

KTM crank failures are a concern. However, I have found replacing the LH crank bearing with a standard caged bearing seems to mitigate that issue.

In reality they are all good bikes. Let your kid borrow rides on as many colors as possible and let him pick..............
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2/21/2017 11:01am Edited Date/Time 2/21/2017 11:08am
Sorry I didn't see you were in the uk. I don't know the British calendar, but here is the french one fyi, the final race is on the 17th and 18th of June at Mothern, in Alsace (near the Germans frontier). That is worth watching it, the leader or top 3 usually become pro so the best bikes will only be available a bit later (European and world championship). You could also hear the difference between a stock vs mod bike, day and night, also in term of lap times (about a lap per race).

About tm, great bikes, superb, not cheap, less availability of second hand parts (I.e. a case is not cheap). They dominated the french championship in 2016 with Guyon (pronounced: "Guillon" or "Guellon"). If really interested I would suggest you to contact the french importer that must know where these bikes are if they are already all sold. I love them but to transition from the 65, i think the hp is in the high rpm so more for fast kids with already a couple of years in the 85 class and a bit of support (i.e. dealer, chains, lub, gear), or just tam it down a notch then free it up progressively. It can be a sexy alternative.
2/21/2017 2:13pm
I had both tm 85 and ktm85 at the same time both was good bikes. My ktm had 160h on the crank before i replaced the main bearings that was (not) because of wear. Just checked the engine before i went to 105cylinder. I believe since i run 3-3.5% oil that help those cranks. I hear people run 1.5-2% and i think thats just too little for the ktm
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I had both tm 85 and ktm85 at the same time both was good bikes. My ktm had 160h on the crank before i replaced the...
I had both tm 85 and ktm85 at the same time both was good bikes. My ktm had 160h on the crank before i replaced the main bearings that was (not) because of wear. Just checked the engine before i went to 105cylinder. I believe since i run 3-3.5% oil that help those cranks. I hear people run 1.5-2% and i think thats just too little for the ktm
Nope 50 or 60 to 1 is fine. Just ask anybody here lol
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2/21/2017 6:49pm
Remember this super trick RM85? Its a work of art:

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Even if a "new" RM85 were to come, I for one would not be confident that it would be much improved. When my son first went 85 we had an RM. I felt it was less expensive, which it was, but you get what you pay for. We moved to a 16 Husky and couldn't be happier. We've had KTMs before, so it was familiar. I honestly think that both Husky and KTM make a far better mini. And it does come down to your maintenence in avoiding a lot of issues. Just my honest opinion.
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LOL to the KX is easy comment! You must have never done a top end on a case reed set up? I hated the KX for this reason as well as the cir clips breaking and smoking motors!

My son rode the RM's last year for long term testing, the bike was nearly flawless with 130 hours. I've seen them in dealers for $2499 and a piston retails for half of the KTM's price and goes in in 20 min. It is a little down on power compared to the KTM but handles very well. I haven't heard anything about a new 85 though.
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2/22/2017 4:38am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2017 4:40am
ocscottie wrote:
Remember this super trick RM85? Its a work of art: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/08/31/30412/s1200_rm85.jpg[/img]
Remember this super trick RM85? Its a work of art:

I love it. Evert's one is a master piece too.

I am usually more excited by mini bikes than big bikes.

About the brand choice, someone suggested to try them all before buying. That's a good advice, feeling confortable with the ergonomic is probably the most important.

Last thing, buying a loaded truck of bikes as I adviced is great for developing the rider testing capacities; ie. Swapping tyres, shocks or forks with different settings can be fun and efficient. Working each session on the bike understanding and on track segment for raw speed. That can help to understand what works or not depending on the track and conditions. Never forget to take notes and a stock watch as teenagers can be stubborn! That can help them to understand how fitness is important too; 1 fast lap is probably 3 seconds a lap faster than the average lap time of a 10 laps race. That means that to gain 30 seconds during the race, it is not the bike. Hard data to stay away from bad diet or alcohol ! Laughing



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No new 85 but there is talks of bringing back 125 just not sure when or if it will happen 100%
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Question wrote:
The best advice I can give you, if you are in the budget to buy a new bike, is to go to LL with a good...
The best advice I can give you, if you are in the budget to buy a new bike, is to go to LL with a good amount of cash, pick 3 or 5 really fast riders, then go for your big shopping with the people you feel the best. You will get 2 bikes that are rebuilt every 5 or 10 hours and tons of parts and gears. The kid will love it! That can be an economical way to go fast.
This is what my dad did with one of Ricky Carmichael's modded KX 80's at the 94' Ponca City Am National. Sure wish we would have hung on to that bike.
2/22/2017 6:46am
loftyair wrote:
Depends on his skill level, and supporting funds. KTM for a fast dude, with lots of money. Kawi for mid speed, some money. Yami for mid-fast...
Depends on his skill level, and supporting funds. KTM for a fast dude, with lots of money. Kawi for mid speed, some money. Yami for mid-fast, some money. Suz good for mid or less speed, some money. Honda 2-stroke, fast, some money.
Honda have a 2T?
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hassbeen wrote:
Honda have a 2T?
Yes, not a 'new' one though. Its a great bike! Way better than the 150 pile they make.

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