Motorcycles going into a RECESSION

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12 years ago I had all sorts of people to ride with. Dualsport road bike or dirtbikes. 5 years ago had some dirtbike guys left. Now I barely know anyone who still rides. Economy had the largest hand in it all. But for the dirt the high cost of keeping fourstrokes running seems to have won out on many fronts. Not sure why more people don't get back into two strokes. I never left them for the dirt.
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2/16/2017 2:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2017 2:37pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
If that's the rationale you're hanging your hat on, then it's not even worth trying to point out the flaws in it
WORCSRacer wrote:
Go ahead, shoot some holes in it then.
I'll take a swing at this...

People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and it has been mentioned previously, is the lack of discretionary income for the middle class. I can't speak for everyone, but the cost of living for me has far out-paced income growth, and it's the same for the vast majority of people I know who used to ride/race, etc..
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2/16/2017 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2017 2:39pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
If that's the rationale you're hanging your hat on, then it's not even worth trying to point out the flaws in it
WORCSRacer wrote:
Go ahead, shoot some holes in it then.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Like I said, it would be a waste of time.
and yet you keep chiming in....

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avidchimp wrote:
I'll take a swing at this... People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and...
I'll take a swing at this...

People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and it has been mentioned previously, is the lack of discretionary income for the middle class. I can't speak for everyone, but the cost of living for me has far out-paced income growth, and it's the same for the vast majority of people I know who used to ride/race, etc..
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work.

If you're into riding dirt bikes, you'll find a way to ride dirt bikes.

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TXDirt wrote:
The number of auto dealers has dramatically decreased. Record sales doesn't always mean a sector is healthy. Go to most any dealership and the lots are...
The number of auto dealers has dramatically decreased. Record sales doesn't always mean a sector is healthy. Go to most any dealership and the lots are completely full with new cars. And all auto makers are offering deep incentives. They are selling cars because it's cheap for a buyer to take on debt right now. Auto makers have built up factories to make so much volume in cars that's it costs more to idle a plant or reduce volume than it is to just sell a new car at break even or even a loss in some cases. I went to a dealership a few years back looking for a regular car and they had over 100 vipers on the lot. I promise you there were not 100 potential viper customers In our town. The car makers just shift around inventory between the dealers. It's pretty obvious.

Also, just a random note, many car dealers own multiple car dealerships, even if they compete against each other. Which they don't really do. More like collusion. Went to a Toyota dealership to look at cars. Wasn't happy with my trade in offer. Threatened to go across to the Ford dealership. Guess what? Same folks own both fuckin dealerships lol.

Something wrong with that.
Cool, thanks for the info.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work. If you're...
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work.

If you're into riding dirt bikes, you'll find a way to ride dirt bikes.
If it's a question of choosing a roof over your families head, food on their plates, and clothes on their backs over riding a dirtbike, then the "lifestyle" will be the first to go.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work. If you're...
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work.

If you're into riding dirt bikes, you'll find a way to ride dirt bikes.
True, but it begs the question of how to get people into riding dirt bikes in times where you can't send junior to a vacant lot at the end of the street.
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I get a kick out of you guys ripping on people for buying pipes and suspension for their new rides. Who honestly cares how another person spends their income? If they've got the money and they want it, good for them...you only live once. A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then. I bought my first house a year and a half ago knowing it would be expensive, but it still blows my mind how much I pay for taxes, insurance, garbage, sewer, electricity, natural gas, etc. every month. I've never had a car/truck payment as I have bought all my vehicles cash. So I take my "car payment" and use it for recreation. But a lot of my friends have to have the newest truck and are shitting out well over $500/month plus insurance to have a brand new truck. Then they bitch there is no money to go riding. I tell them to do what I do. Fuck cable tv, get a cheap cell, buy an nice used truck like mine for cash, and spend the extra money on a fleet of dirt bikes....which I will be adding to within a month.

I make descent money but I am not loaded by any means. I just cut out a lot of the luxuries so I am able to have a bunch of toys and can comfortably live. I drove a beat to shit 1994 Toyota Paseo for years, a few of my friends told me they would not be caught dead in it....but it saved me a lot money. I put a lot in the bank and now have a very managable mortgage. So I can have dirt bike an Rx7 projects without worrying about having to eat this week.
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In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate.

They werent any different than an 85 today really. Think about that.
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2/16/2017 5:52pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2017 5:53pm
Skidaddle wrote:
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate. They werent any different than an 85 today...
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate.

They werent any different than an 85 today really. Think about that.
Also in the 80s, a good salary was 35 or 40k. Most big companies had retirement plans ( pensions), and hmos were considered substandard health insurance.
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2/16/2017 6:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2017 6:23pm
A lot of what has happened has been the result of a "perfect storm", so to speak. Somewhere along the way, the landscape of amateur racing changed. That is part of what makes it hard to compare apples to apples to past decades. People began putting an emphasis on "chasing" the national scene, especially LL's, and racing less locally. The standard changed from racing out of the back of a pickup to thinking you had to have it all and go to the big expensive races. To that, people were starting on $4000 50's, and if you wanted to keep up with the Jones', then you had to join in (or at least that was the perception and we all know what they say about perception and reality). Around the same time, four strokes came along with added expense and noise. Also, I also think that a lot of people were intimidated by their more complicated mechanics. All along the while, a recession was forming, and while the economic reaction in MX was a little delayed, it finally hit a lot of people. Since the landscape had changed so much, that people thought that if they didn't have everything to compete, then they just couldn't race (which of course they could have but it didn't seem like an option). Add in social media and smart phones and the recipe for doom was complete. The view of entertainment was also drastically changing. It went from active participation to entertainment via distraction (iphones, snapchat, etc.). By that time, local racing was a shell of what it used to be, and most that stopped never came back to revive it.

As always, I'm not speaking in absolutes.
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Skidaddle wrote:
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate. They werent any different than an 85 today...
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate.

They werent any different than an 85 today really. Think about that.
What? Back in 1982 when the Suzuki RM 125 I owned , new was about $1700.00. I think it was $1695.00 to be honest. I was with the guy when he bought it and a year later I bought it used from him. There were no new race bikes at $600.00. Hell , even the 80cc bikes were close to a grand.
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kzizok wrote:
A lot of what has happened has been the result of a "perfect storm", so to speak. Somewhere along the way, the landscape of amateur racing...
A lot of what has happened has been the result of a "perfect storm", so to speak. Somewhere along the way, the landscape of amateur racing changed. That is part of what makes it hard to compare apples to apples to past decades. People began putting an emphasis on "chasing" the national scene, especially LL's, and racing less locally. The standard changed from racing out of the back of a pickup to thinking you had to have it all and go to the big expensive races. To that, people were starting on $4000 50's, and if you wanted to keep up with the Jones', then you had to join in (or at least that was the perception and we all know what they say about perception and reality). Around the same time, four strokes came along with added expense and noise. Also, I also think that a lot of people were intimidated by their more complicated mechanics. All along the while, a recession was forming, and while the economic reaction in MX was a little delayed, it finally hit a lot of people. Since the landscape had changed so much, that people thought that if they didn't have everything to compete, then they just couldn't race (which of course they could have but it didn't seem like an option). Add in social media and smart phones and the recipe for doom was complete. The view of entertainment was also drastically changing. It went from active participation to entertainment via distraction (iphones, snapchat, etc.). By that time, local racing was a shell of what it used to be, and most that stopped never came back to revive it.

As always, I'm not speaking in absolutes.
I think you nailed it
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The problem but no solution.
People in California say there loosing
Riding ground but money not as much of
An issue. MI says money good and car sales
Are great. Others from different states claim
Different opinions back and fourth then bring up
Mountain biking in place of the actual Forum.
The real issue is none of these brought up
Will help our real cause if we do not stand together
And give answers.
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Motodave15 wrote:
my 3k mtn bike came from santa cruz. I have not read this whole thread, but the reason ive been riding my mtn bike and playing...
my 3k mtn bike came from santa cruz.

I have not read this whole thread, but the reason ive been riding my mtn bike and playing hockey more so than motoing has everything to do with access.

I have bonelli park 4 miles from my house and a hockey rink 2 miles away

moto= 1hr away for milestone/gh/ etc
moto freeride = Hour and a half almost 2 to get to stoddard wells or sagus for legit freeriding (with no hassel from cops).

Back to the main point, recession or not, the single biggest issue dirtbikes have is the places to ride them
because of dust/noise/enviromental dickheads/ general mean people who dont like motorcycles

we need to cultivate huge easy access freeriding locations.. free being the essence and block peoples ability to sue.

people + motorcycle + no common sense on abilities = suing and ending freeriding locations
Good points...this new thing about getting riding coaches together under some kind of uniform system and making their services more accessible will do jack shit for the problem when a new bike costs 12 k , there's nowhere to do any free practise and the only races are nothing more than expensing child minding services..
The industry should be working on governments over those things that you mentioned or it will b all over very soo
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BobPA wrote:
I get a kick out of you guys ripping on people for buying pipes and suspension for their new rides. Who honestly cares how another person...
I get a kick out of you guys ripping on people for buying pipes and suspension for their new rides. Who honestly cares how another person spends their income? If they've got the money and they want it, good for them...you only live once. A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then. I bought my first house a year and a half ago knowing it would be expensive, but it still blows my mind how much I pay for taxes, insurance, garbage, sewer, electricity, natural gas, etc. every month. I've never had a car/truck payment as I have bought all my vehicles cash. So I take my "car payment" and use it for recreation. But a lot of my friends have to have the newest truck and are shitting out well over $500/month plus insurance to have a brand new truck. Then they bitch there is no money to go riding. I tell them to do what I do. Fuck cable tv, get a cheap cell, buy an nice used truck like mine for cash, and spend the extra money on a fleet of dirt bikes....which I will be adding to within a month.

I make descent money but I am not loaded by any means. I just cut out a lot of the luxuries so I am able to have a bunch of toys and can comfortably live. I drove a beat to shit 1994 Toyota Paseo for years, a few of my friends told me they would not be caught dead in it....but it saved me a lot money. I put a lot in the bank and now have a very managable mortgage. So I can have dirt bike an Rx7 projects without worrying about having to eat this week.
Awesome. You're what I love about a real DirtBike guy.

You want to ride, you figured it out. Keep it up and have fun!!
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BobPA wrote:
I get a kick out of you guys ripping on people for buying pipes and suspension for their new rides. Who honestly cares how another person...
I get a kick out of you guys ripping on people for buying pipes and suspension for their new rides. Who honestly cares how another person spends their income? If they've got the money and they want it, good for them...you only live once. A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then. I bought my first house a year and a half ago knowing it would be expensive, but it still blows my mind how much I pay for taxes, insurance, garbage, sewer, electricity, natural gas, etc. every month. I've never had a car/truck payment as I have bought all my vehicles cash. So I take my "car payment" and use it for recreation. But a lot of my friends have to have the newest truck and are shitting out well over $500/month plus insurance to have a brand new truck. Then they bitch there is no money to go riding. I tell them to do what I do. Fuck cable tv, get a cheap cell, buy an nice used truck like mine for cash, and spend the extra money on a fleet of dirt bikes....which I will be adding to within a month.

I make descent money but I am not loaded by any means. I just cut out a lot of the luxuries so I am able to have a bunch of toys and can comfortably live. I drove a beat to shit 1994 Toyota Paseo for years, a few of my friends told me they would not be caught dead in it....but it saved me a lot money. I put a lot in the bank and now have a very managable mortgage. So I can have dirt bike an Rx7 projects without worrying about having to eat this week.
WORCSRacer wrote:
Awesome. You're what I love about a real DirtBike guy.

You want to ride, you figured it out. Keep it up and have fun!!
Perfect...End thread!
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A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then


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doghouse wrote:
[quote] A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite...
A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then


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Also Americans find it hard to live without air conditioning, in fact almost impossible to live without AC. Up to $250 per month just for that.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work. If you're...
Bikes are a lifestyle, a commitment and its a commitment fewer and fewer people are willing to make because its a lot of work.

If you're into riding dirt bikes, you'll find a way to ride dirt bikes.
Exactly. If you really want to ride you will figure out a way.
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doghouse wrote:
[quote] A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite...
A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then


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For most adults that have enough money to even think about buying a dirtbike the opportunity cost of not having a smartphone or internet access is huge. Alot of people forget how much more difficult it was to get things done (researching information, banking, bill paying, purchasing obsure items) before internet access was wide spread.
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If there was one thing I could point to say that is a problem, it would be the ability for new riders to be able to ride at home or close to it.

I had all the negatives going against me. Family divorced, no one was into moto or motorcycles,not much money and no idea about how to get on a track. I did have private land to ride on. Dirt roads, too. Having the ability to ride everyday was huge. I did that until after college then got a better bike and started to race.
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doghouse wrote:
[quote] A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite...
A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then


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early wrote:
For most adults that have enough money to even think about buying a dirtbike the opportunity cost of not having a smartphone or internet access is...
For most adults that have enough money to even think about buying a dirtbike the opportunity cost of not having a smartphone or internet access is huge. Alot of people forget how much more difficult it was to get things done (researching information, banking, bill paying, purchasing obsure items) before internet access was wide spread.
I certainly haven't forgot. Efficiency is light years ahead of where it used to be.

But there's also metric tons of wasted capital. Nobody needs three flat screen TV's and this year's Galaxy S137.3^6
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The "bad" facts I see:
* Middleclass income not keep pace - absolutely
* Too many classes so you wait all day - absolutely - when I started in the 90's everyone hated being the class after the 50's because it took so long. Key word: THE 50 CLASS. Now almost all races are after a 50 class LOL
* Good kids not racing anymore - absolutely - used to be all good racers raced every weekend at the local tracks, now they just want to "train"
* Not enough track time – True, but also debatable
* People doing other things because they like it more - Maybe, but don't get me started on substituting MTB'ing. MTB’ing in almost no way compares to riding a dirt bike. You are on two wheels on dirt I guess, but the feeling is no way close to hitting the power on a good dirt bike and railing a berm or ripping up a hill. Or of course actually motocross racing. Sorry I don't buy it. Rip me if you want, I am not dissing MTB, I have and ride one, I am just saying it is not even close to the felling of ripping around on a dirt bike, completely different experience.
* It takes too much time - absolutely, but are you really wasting it doing the other things you have to do to be able to ride?

The "good" facts:
* If you want to ride you will still find a way. As workscracer said. - I race a 2007 KX250. I used to love getting combined with the 250 class when I was on my 125 (vary rare). It was so fun to beat them on it. Now I get the same feeling blowing by the 9000 dollar 450's on a 10 year old 2-stroke that still rips. Fun is what it is about.
* So many classes - I can now easily ride 3 different ones on race day if I want. However, I also don't buy this excuse of "I can go practice and ride 3 hours instead of 30 minutes." Well go do it then but you are not racing, and racing is what we love. Also, are you really not tired after a 5 lap moto? Are you in such good shape you want to race a 30 minute moto? I am ready for a break after a short practice and intense 5 lap moto. Am I out of shape? Probably, but no more so than 80% of every one out there. But I don't trail ride or "practice" while I am at a race. I race and race hard so I am ready for a break. And I best most people are as well. But I do get it, I sometimes go nuts waiting for all the 50 and 60 classes. I guess I need my son to start racing Smile .
* It takes a lot of time - You bet it does, but I love most every minute of it. I get up at 6:00am and drive 2 hours; I have a good breakfast, coffee, talk to the family a bit on the way. And think and get excited about the race and how lucky I am to not be sitting on the couch waiting for some TV show to start. I enjoy the time between the races, going to the different vendors even if you don't get anything, looking at other people’s bikes. Just BEING a part of the races. I enjoy the 2 hour drive home after getting sore and tired and "feeling it" and thinking about the day, then have a good dinner on the way home. I enjoy spending the 10 or 12 hours with my family racing, even though I only "raced" 30 minutes.

The big, main, real hurdle I see is it is very hard to do this sport alone. So the next time you pull through the gate and give them your 10 (or 40) bucks just to drive in, look over at the person/people who are with you and thank them. Thank them from the bottom of your heart, because you are getting to go race motocross. There is nothing like it.
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Skidaddle wrote:
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate. They werent any different than an 85 today...
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate.

They werent any different than an 85 today really. Think about that.
jeffro503 wrote:
What? Back in 1982 when the Suzuki RM 125 I owned , new was about $1700.00. I think it was $1695.00 to be honest. I was...
What? Back in 1982 when the Suzuki RM 125 I owned , new was about $1700.00. I think it was $1695.00 to be honest. I was with the guy when he bought it and a year later I bought it used from him. There were no new race bikes at $600.00. Hell , even the 80cc bikes were close to a grand.
In 1980 I got a new 2 stroke dual sport with oil injection to ride to elementary school.
500 bucks.

In 1982 2 80 cc race bikes in a crate was 1283 dollars.

In 1983 it was 1200 for 2 because we bought 4.

Whoever said back then 35-40 grand was a good salary.
Most people make that or less today.

In 1982 my mothers salary was 120K.
That same job today pays 43,000 with a starting salary of 28K.

That, people, is the result of cheap labor being available. Ill let you decipher the meaning of that.

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Skidaddle wrote:
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate. They werent any different than an 85 today...
In the 80s, a top race bike was 600 bucks each if you bought two in the crate.

They werent any different than an 85 today really. Think about that.
jeffro503 wrote:
What? Back in 1982 when the Suzuki RM 125 I owned , new was about $1700.00. I think it was $1695.00 to be honest. I was...
What? Back in 1982 when the Suzuki RM 125 I owned , new was about $1700.00. I think it was $1695.00 to be honest. I was with the guy when he bought it and a year later I bought it used from him. There were no new race bikes at $600.00. Hell , even the 80cc bikes were close to a grand.
Skidaddle wrote:
In 1980 I got a new 2 stroke dual sport with oil injection to ride to elementary school. 500 bucks. In 1982 2 80 cc race...
In 1980 I got a new 2 stroke dual sport with oil injection to ride to elementary school.
500 bucks.

In 1982 2 80 cc race bikes in a crate was 1283 dollars.

In 1983 it was 1200 for 2 because we bought 4.

Whoever said back then 35-40 grand was a good salary.
Most people make that or less today.

In 1982 my mothers salary was 120K.
That same job today pays 43,000 with a starting salary of 28K.

That, people, is the result of cheap labor being available. Ill let you decipher the meaning of that.

Well you mentioned " full on race bike for $600.00 "...so i took the cheapest race bike ( being a 125cc ) and mentioned the price. I was only commenting on that part of the discussion. I remember back in 1980 ( pretty sure it was 1980 ) and looking at this brand new CR80 our local shop got it. I think the price on that thing brand new was $799.00? All i remember as a kid was going to that shop twice a week for months....just to dream about it. Haha.
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avidchimp wrote:
I'll take a swing at this... People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and...
I'll take a swing at this...

People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and it has been mentioned previously, is the lack of discretionary income for the middle class. I can't speak for everyone, but the cost of living for me has far out-paced income growth, and it's the same for the vast majority of people I know who used to ride/race, etc..
Spot on , Income staying the same, cost of living going up = Less play money or no play money.
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avidchimp wrote:
I'll take a swing at this... People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and...
I'll take a swing at this...

People are getting lost in the argument about how "expensive" the sport is becoming. The number one reason (IMHO), and it has been mentioned previously, is the lack of discretionary income for the middle class. I can't speak for everyone, but the cost of living for me has far out-paced income growth, and it's the same for the vast majority of people I know who used to ride/race, etc..
500guy wrote:
Spot on , Income staying the same, cost of living going up = Less play money or no play money.
This. I used to spend $10,000 a year on racing and maintenance. Now I have 2 kids and a wife with health issues who works part-time. I feel fortunate to have gotten a tax refund because now I can catch up on my late car payments, late phone bill and late television/internet bills. If I'm really lucky, I'll be able to finally get some new tires on my truck - I've put that purchase off for far too long because feeding my kids is more important.

Every now and then, I take my rusty old '06 YZ250 out for a spin in the desert. I can't afford to fix the leaky fork seals, wasted caliper that needs a rebuild or the janky steering stem bearings, but she still runs (for now).

And they wonder why we're not buying $10,000 450s...
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2/17/2017 9:27am
jeffro503 wrote:
Well you mentioned " full on race bike for $600.00 "...so i took the cheapest race bike ( being a 125cc ) and mentioned the price...
Well you mentioned " full on race bike for $600.00 "...so i took the cheapest race bike ( being a 125cc ) and mentioned the price. I was only commenting on that part of the discussion. I remember back in 1980 ( pretty sure it was 1980 ) and looking at this brand new CR80 our local shop got it. I think the price on that thing brand new was $799.00? All i remember as a kid was going to that shop twice a week for months....just to dream about it. Haha.
Maybe. But YZ 80s are full on race bikes. But when you bought in the crate you didnt pay for bullshit like setup and junk.
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2/17/2017 9:32am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2017 9:34am
doghouse wrote:
[quote] A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite...
A big difference from today and "the glorious 70's" is the cost of living. Think about how much it costs to have the Internet, cable/satellite, Netflix, and a cell phone every month. Those total easily $250/month and were not around back then


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For most adults that have enough money to even think about buying a dirtbike the opportunity cost of not having a smartphone or internet access is...
For most adults that have enough money to even think about buying a dirtbike the opportunity cost of not having a smartphone or internet access is huge. Alot of people forget how much more difficult it was to get things done (researching information, banking, bill paying, purchasing obsure items) before internet access was wide spread.
doghouse wrote:
I certainly haven't forgot. Efficiency is light years ahead of where it used to be. But there's also metric tons of wasted capital. Nobody needs three...
I certainly haven't forgot. Efficiency is light years ahead of where it used to be.

But there's also metric tons of wasted capital. Nobody needs three flat screen TV's and this year's Galaxy S137.3^6
I would bet that 70% of all Americans have no real justifiable need for the internet or texting on their phone.
Maybe more have no real need of it in their homes.
We grew up with 3 tv channels, now there is 300 channels and less interesting stuff on tv than when we just had 3. We also grew up in Florida without air conditioning in the house or in my parents car. But man we had fun, my dad hooked up the toys, skim boarding and surfing.

With all the access to information on the internet people are less educated than ever before but they can tell you about the slice of toast that had Jesus face on it or the tomato that was shaped like a rabbit.

The only thing the internet has donee for these people is given them easier access to porn, useless trivia and farmers.com, they can't even torque sprocket bolts properly.

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