DC, can we make the Nationals more exciting?

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12/28/2016 12:39pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2016 1:36pm
STLSharky wrote:
125 Pro class. Non televised.
Throw some new Tracks into the Mix.
Sand Track in Florida or Alabama and a Natural Terrain track at a ski resort ?

Ski-area-summer-use-bill-signed-into-law

It is cool at elevation in the summer.

Big Argument. Who gives up their dates as Outdoors stays 12 rounds.



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12/28/2016 12:48pm
Want to make the races more exciting?

Use technology, allow people to receive a live stream from their favor riders gopro/helmet cam.
If I want to follow roczen around from gate drop to checkers, allow his signal to go out and charge extra like 10$ but don't do a 50$ ride along pass or some dumb shit. Invest in signal amplifires so the feed went get too out of whack. Give the fan more interactivity and not a fucking text this number line for whatever… allow different vendors to sell stuff in the pits. Have a rig that allows a fan walk through, so see what the inside of a factory rig looks like, provide a walk through with a bike cut away. Etc, engage the fan.. And dont just let them watch, because you will lose fans to what holds their attention engages them more… for moto, if you don't ride you have a hard time understanding and that is a major crux of the issues you see.

What do you really get for your price of admission?
- decent races
- expensive food
- maybe a autograph
- crappy not wanted fan merch.
- expensive water

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12/28/2016 12:51pm
What we need is 52 weeks of racing to keep you guys from bitching about the same shit over and over. This place is like a Christmas dinner table with a bunch of Italian women.
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12/28/2016 1:19pm
Motocross is fine and is what it should be.

The only improvement for the actual racing would be to make the classes smaller capacity. There are only a few freaks who can ride a 450 @ 100%. Seems there are 20 dudes who can wring a 250 or smaller.

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12/28/2016 1:41pm
RiverockMX wrote:
More excitement, sell allot of tickets? Let 2 stroke 250s run in the 250 Nationals.
Big fucken YES to this.

DC, how hard would this be to implement?
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12/28/2016 1:52pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2016 1:53pm
three reasons why the Nationals CAN be perceived as boring are:

Riders coming off a hectic SX season with some injured, so not at their best or not racing at all
One rider hitting their prime form (and perhaps the bike being more suited to National than SX?) and dominating
Riders getting injured early in the Nationals

None of which DC can influence....just enjoy what we get Smile
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12/28/2016 2:03pm
RiverockMX wrote:
More excitement, sell allot of tickets? Let 2 stroke 250s run in the 250 Nationals.
Plugga wrote:
Big fucken YES to this.

DC, how hard would this be to implement?
I'm not DC, but I think the standard answer is that the series is a "manufacturer's series" designed to showcase and promote the current offerings from each of the manufacturers supporting the series, thus the homologation rules.
Since not all of the models are available in two stroke configuration, this would be a significant hurdle.
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12/28/2016 2:14pm
Just leave everything alone except change the displacement rules so 2 strokes have a more level playing field.

It's not DC's fault if you can't party and raise hell like back in the day. Blame society as a whole for becoming too soft. Insurance is also part of the anti fun problem. Only solution for the hellraisers would be a time machine.
12/28/2016 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2016 2:23pm
I'm not DC, but I think the standard answer is that the series is a "manufacturer's series" designed to showcase and promote the current offerings from...
I'm not DC, but I think the standard answer is that the series is a "manufacturer's series" designed to showcase and promote the current offerings from each of the manufacturers supporting the series, thus the homologation rules.
Since not all of the models are available in two stroke configuration, this would be a significant hurdle.
Well...not all the manufacturer's had four strokes at one time, yet they still were allowed to race while others developed bikes. Yamaha KTM Husky and TM and? make current 2 strokes. Suzuki is close to re-releasing a two stroke. That leaves Honda and Kawaski who could easily update a two stroke. Change the rule and watch them get in line fast.
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This has nothing to do with excitement level but I would like to see 2nd and 3rd in points run a different background color, it would be easier to identify who's chasing the red plate, just an idea.
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I agree with stop tilling the track to get ride of the ruts. Ruts define where you can go and take away the outside in and inside out lines ie less passing opportunities.

I would also suggest less double jumps. Jumps limits the speed differences that can occur before, during and after the double. I dont think it was a coincidence that Soutwick was the most exciting race of 16 and there were no double jumps.
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12/28/2016 3:15pm
jchek779 wrote:
What we need is 52 weeks of racing to keep you guys from bitching about the same shit over and over. This place is like a...
What we need is 52 weeks of racing to keep you guys from bitching about the same shit over and over. This place is like a Christmas dinner table with a bunch of Italian women.
Ain't that the truth!!!! I know Italian women
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See this is what happens when you chase new viewers haha always moving the goal posts

People these days can't handle not being entertained every fucken second!!

I'm with changing the displacements though cause it's just not that exciting to watch guys burr burr burr buurruur around a track.. That brings the expenditure up though

If only there was a cheaper more exciting option to ride haha
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12/28/2016 4:03pm
mx317 wrote:
Love the Nationals! I do wish they would quit tilling so deep. Now the local tracks think to look "pro" they have to have ten foot...
Love the Nationals! I do wish they would quit tilling so deep. Now the local tracks think to look "pro" they have to have ten foot peg dragging ruts in every corner. Flame on rut lovers!
Agree 100%. Ruts have a part of MX since day 1 but not like this. Get some diverse racing surfaces incorporated such as hard pack tracks. Everyone has trucked in 100's of loads of sand & sawdust so all the track are the same. 4 strokes have better traction so hardpack should not be an issue. No harm in a little dust either. Not a lot but some is OK.
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12/28/2016 4:12pm
RiverockMX wrote:
Well...not all the manufacturer's had four strokes at one time, yet they still were allowed to race while others developed bikes. Yamaha KTM Husky and TM...
Well...not all the manufacturer's had four strokes at one time, yet they still were allowed to race while others developed bikes. Yamaha KTM Husky and TM and? make current 2 strokes. Suzuki is close to re-releasing a two stroke. That leaves Honda and Kawaski who could easily update a two stroke. Change the rule and watch them get in line fast.
Suzuki is close to releasing a new two stroke? C'mon bro, stop taking shots of pre mix.
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12/28/2016 4:24pm
The reason the point are so spread out at the end of the season is because the riders are so spread out at the end of the race..
We need more parity with the riders above all.
Not sure how to fix that.
Bigger purse?
More privateer support?
2 strokes?
?????
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PEDs, IVs and leaded fuel ? Evil
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12/28/2016 5:18pm
Greenbush wrote:
The reason the point are so spread out at the end of the season is because the riders are so spread out at the end of...
The reason the point are so spread out at the end of the season is because the riders are so spread out at the end of the race..
We need more parity with the riders above all.
Not sure how to fix that.
Bigger purse?
More privateer support?
2 strokes?
?????
This is what I'm saying. I agree with some here. The rut fests suck. Bringing in beer at the Ironman was no problem.
Ticket prices? Not bad imo. Have you went to concert lately...holy crap, that's expensive!

But my point is in SX and MX the racing sucks towards the end of the year because there's no incentive.
Hell, one of the top 5 450 riders fell in rut right in front of us at the Ironman and wasn't even in a hurry to get up.
Very seldom is there any kind of a points battle, especially in the 450's. which is supposedly the "premier class".
This is just the opposite of what should happen. The season should end with a bang if possible!

Maybe I'm in the minority. But I go to see the best riders in the world race hard and race for something.

As a life long fan and rider of mx, I also like and watch NASCAR. And if you really watch it, the chase is the best thing they've ever done. Except I would like to see them crown a regular season champ. (which they're considering).

The drivers were racing their asses off all year trying to get that 1 win to lock them in the chase, and the chase races themselves were awesome. Plus the final race was wild as hell.

I'm not saying a chase is the only option to consider, but the sport needs to evolve and needs better racing.
That will cure a lot.
Again, the attendance at the Ironman was down quite a bit this year with perfect weather. Not a good trend.


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12/28/2016 5:56pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2016 5:58pm
No extemption for therapeutic use ? Maybe they should change that ?
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12/28/2016 6:34pm
I just knew I would click this thread and see the words "two strokes" more often than not. I love the outdoor nationals. Keep up the good work DC
12/28/2016 8:52pm
Just a thought,

The last round becomes a 250 / 450 shootout with top 20 in each championship qualifying.

The championship trophy's are awarded at this round, non participation means no championship trophy.

Of corse the trophy for the grand champion can also be awarded, SX and MX combined points.
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12/28/2016 9:08pm
NVA57 wrote:
Better racing is honestly what it needs, which may be caused by track prep. If you have 12 tracks that are similar prepped as each other...
Better racing is honestly what it needs, which may be caused by track prep. If you have 12 tracks that are similar prepped as each other then yes the same guys are gonna place at the same positions. Look at MXGP and all the different soils which creates potential spoilers.

Now I usually enjoy watching US Outdoors way more than MXGP, but lately I'm getting tired of watching them race a rut fest with minimal position change.
This is true, how can we expect a mix in results when we basically race the same track every weekend.
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12/28/2016 10:37pm
10000hrs wrote:
I agree with stop tilling the track to get ride of the ruts. Ruts define where you can go and take away the outside in and...
I agree with stop tilling the track to get ride of the ruts. Ruts define where you can go and take away the outside in and inside out lines ie less passing opportunities.

I would also suggest less double jumps. Jumps limits the speed differences that can occur before, during and after the double. I dont think it was a coincidence that Soutwick was the most exciting race of 16 and there were no double jumps.
It's not just the tilling. It's hauling in non-native soils by the truck load to make the track more TV friendly. The track surface surface almost becomes generic with patches of the old track surface here and there. European tracks definitely have it covered for this reason.
12/29/2016 1:22am
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It's not just the tilling. It's hauling in non-native soils by the truck load to make the track more TV friendly. The track surface surface almost...
It's not just the tilling. It's hauling in non-native soils by the truck load to make the track more TV friendly. The track surface surface almost becomes generic with patches of the old track surface here and there. European tracks definitely have it covered for this reason.
This is one dilema, The tracks native soil good or bad traits is what made the character of the track. At the most to modify for safety maybe use a mobile screener but keep the native soil. Its almost like a woodchip/sand/compost motopavement is used now.
I understand trying to create a tv image but keeping fans back enough where they are out of view for tv shots, and the crowd is one big blur and race banners are a mile high kills the spirit of outdoor moto. It sucks watching behind a banner, arms shoulder height on a fence, kid is struggling to see anything. It feels too zoo like. Maybe lower the banner heights some. Let the crowd be in shots. Safety for fans is definitely a priority in todays blame game world of insurance but maybe a compromise could be found. Make fenceline viewing more comfortable by creating elevated viewing areas. Have large concert moniters around track showing the race where you can't see that part of track. I love the Nationals and the format, but for improvement there needs to be racier track surfaces with more variation of soils and better viewing for the fans that want to be up close catering less to this smoke and mirrors of stretching the tracks wider for tv(watered,black earth chocolate cake with yellow markers on edges, then grass/buffer zone to large banners). Show moto for what it is.
DC, thanks for your hard work and orchestrating a nationwide series.

12/29/2016 1:32am
The nationals need a mandatory pit stop for a rear tire change. Kind of like the joker lane.
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12/29/2016 4:21am
What sport needs is rivalry of two charismatic racers who are not affraid to talk or look at each other. Just imagine Barcia vs Roczen battling hard for a win every race and after the race.
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12/29/2016 8:41am
jchek779 wrote:
What we need is 52 weeks of racing to keep you guys from bitching about the same shit over and over. This place is like a...
What we need is 52 weeks of racing to keep you guys from bitching about the same shit over and over. This place is like a Christmas dinner table with a bunch of Italian women.
LOL.

I also enjoy the nationals as they currently are. I went to the Ironman this year and I do agree the action was a little stale, but I wouldn't miss it for the world.

Thanks for the hard work DC!

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