Stewart did nothing wrong. Wrong place at the wrong time

TripleFive 2/27/2016 8:28pm
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You must of missed my response to you or you're trying to dodge it for some reason.
Weimer, Canard, and Friese should be black flagged for not holding their pace.



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motogrady 2/27/2016 8:29pm
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motogrady wrote:
Well, if Stew didn't get the black flag the AMA is calling no foul.

Stew did nothing wrong officially, quit cherry picking the rules.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
He made an incorrect statement based on rule's HE read and I'm not seeing things transparently? They won't penalize him. He didn't do enough to deserve...
He made an incorrect statement based on rule's HE read and I'm not seeing things transparently?

They won't penalize him. He didn't do enough to deserve a black flag. To say his presence had nothing to do with that situation though? Blue flags are a warning. It's up to the rider to assess that warning. If I saw a blue flag going in to the last lap I would want no part of what was coming behind me. Someone can chime in with the "well that's why you're not a pro" bullshit but racecraft is racecraft whether you're pro or not.
Yea well Imo he gave the guys coming up on him enough room and leeway they both had plenty of choices
to practice their racecraft.

That mm couldn't handle the moment, yes it may sound a bit harsh, is mm deal.
aFACEdismembered 2/27/2016 8:29pm
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I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book. The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell...
I think you guys should probably read the whole section in the rule book.

The second part of the rule clearly says to get the hell out of the way asap and don't impede the race, paraphrased of course.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director." Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being...
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director."

Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being black flagged. That takes A LOT of blocking usually.
Lucifa. wrote:
How do you get out of the way? Move left or right?
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the momentum would carry him up in to the berm.
StartedTooLate 2/27/2016 8:30pm
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Just back from ATL had a good view. For the record it was Marvins fault trying to jump the triple. Although for the record Stew should...
Just back from ATL had a good view.

For the record it was Marvins fault trying to jump the triple.

Although for the record Stew should have gone out of the way.
Either up or low but not in the middle.
Yeah, but it was James that cost him the speed that made him come up short. How is that MM's fault. You have to look at the WHOLE sequence, espeically the whoop section. THAT is where JAMES blew it.

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usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
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Agreed 100%....he needs to leave the sport. Stewart fans don't want to hear about lack of ethcis from this guy, which is contradictory in my opinion.
Um yeah sure...with practice times like he had after a few weeks off the bike and recovering from a heavy concussion..a few hundredths off the fastest time....yep retirement.
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moto455va 2/27/2016 8:34pm
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To say Stew did "nothing" wrong is pretty silly. He had plenty of opportunity to get out of the way but didnt. MM choked, but Stew influenced it.
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JS rode the left side of the hoops and took the inside of the corner, Marv went outside and cased the jump and nearly took Dungey and himself out. Stew rode inside line and tripled out clean. What is Stewart supposed to do pull over while he is 4th tapped in the whoops?
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:35pm
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Lucifa. wrote:
You must of missed my response to you or you're trying to dodge it for some reason.
TripleFive wrote:
Weimer, Canard, and Friese should be black flagged for not holding their pace.



James kept his speed. 14th place speed. You know, the same speed he was at when both RD5 and MM25 caught up to him. AND HE HELD HIS LINE. Not James's problem MM25 swapped all over the place like a squid under pressure.

Following the rule book, where you must hold your line, what did JS7 do wrong on the rhythm straight?
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moto455va 2/27/2016 8:37pm
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Hcallz5 wrote:
JS rode the left side of the hoops and took the inside of the corner, Marv went outside and cased the jump and nearly took Dungey...
JS rode the left side of the hoops and took the inside of the corner, Marv went outside and cased the jump and nearly took Dungey and himself out. Stew rode inside line and tripled out clean. What is Stewart supposed to do pull over while he is 4th tapped in the whoops?
maybe not go 4th tapped through the whoops when theyre waving the blue flag at you?
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:37pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director." Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being...
"Riders disregarding the blue flag may be black-flagged at the discretion of Race Director."

Clearly the intent is to get out of the way before being black flagged. That takes A LOT of blocking usually.
Lucifa. wrote:
How do you get out of the way? Move left or right?
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the...
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the momentum would carry him up in to the berm.
Stew is one of the best at hammering the whoops with speed. You want him to slow up and drop a front wheel?
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PEPE001 2/27/2016 8:38pm
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PEPE001 wrote:
Just back from ATL had a good view. For the record it was Marvins fault trying to jump the triple. Although for the record Stew should...
Just back from ATL had a good view.

For the record it was Marvins fault trying to jump the triple.

Although for the record Stew should have gone out of the way.
Either up or low but not in the middle.
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Yeah, but it was James that cost him the speed that made him come up short. How is that MM's fault. You have to look at...
Yeah, but it was James that cost him the speed that made him come up short. How is that MM's fault. You have to look at the WHOLE sequence, espeically the whoop section. THAT is where JAMES blew it.
I saw the entire sequence was right in front of it.

Sure its Stewe's fault no doubt, but Marvin had the chance to prevent it.
It was dumb from Stew staying right in the middle.

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Feint 2/27/2016 8:39pm
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usafwx wrote:
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it...
James needs to retire already or Suzuki needs to quit wasting their money and give him the boot. James had his time in the spotlight, it is now long gone, he needs to leave with what respect and dignity he has left. Come on guys, so quick some are to forget his blatant cheating through last season (IV's during outdoors, dishonesty during drug testing SX), he has an ego and its starting to be the unwinding of him.
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Agreed 100%....he needs to leave the sport. Stewart fans don't want to hear about lack of ethcis from this guy, which is contradictory in my opinion.
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Um yeah sure...with practice times like he had after a few weeks off the bike and recovering from a heavy concussion..a few hundredths off the fastest...
Um yeah sure...with practice times like he had after a few weeks off the bike and recovering from a heavy concussion..a few hundredths off the fastest time....yep retirement.
Stewart's average lap time in the main was like 2.5 seconds off Dungey's pace. That may be acceptable for someone with few accomplishments, but for a guy with multiple titles and having made a lot of money they should hang it up before they shame their legacy.
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Lucifa. wrote:
How do you get out of the way? Move left or right?
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the...
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the momentum would carry him up in to the berm.
Lucifa. wrote:
Stew is one of the best at hammering the whoops with speed. You want him to slow up and drop a front wheel?
Yes he saw the blue flag!
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:43pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the...
Elaborate. Before or after the whoops? As soon as I saw Stew hammer the whoops at their pace, on the left hand side, I knew the momentum would carry him up in to the berm.
Lucifa. wrote:
Stew is one of the best at hammering the whoops with speed. You want him to slow up and drop a front wheel?
PEPE001 wrote:
Yes he saw the blue flag!
So you think he should of endo'd on purpose?
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zehn wrote:
Watch it a couple more times. Marvin just caught him at the wrong time and then made a mistake. He was already past Stewart when he...
Watch it a couple more times. Marvin just caught him at the wrong time and then made a mistake. He was already past Stewart when he messed up that jump.

Dungey got through the exact same situation without any problem.
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Yes that was textbook of how to go a lap down. The AMA should show that to all riders to demonstrate the proper way to get...
Yes that was textbook of how to go a lap down. The AMA should show that to all riders to demonstrate the proper way to get lapped.....
This
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:44pm
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Lucifa. wrote:
Stew is one of the best at hammering the whoops with speed. You want him to slow up and drop a front wheel?
PEPE001 wrote:
Yes he saw the blue flag!
Lucifa. wrote:
So you think he should of endo'd on purpose?
You do know what happens when you're carrying speed into a whoop section and slow up your timing right?
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I love how not anybody has talked about them waving the blue flags a whole straight ahead of the leaders. How about the idiot standing on the right side of the track in the 250 main while the rider was all the way left.And Mookie ran into the downed rider. MM25 came up short plain and simple on the jump and JS7 was in the middle of it. Great race but blaming Stewart for the crash is comical.

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I believe he probably should have just slowed up and allow them to pass but at least he held his line. A fucker last year that didn't hold his line for me moved over on the face of a jump "trying to get out of my way". That little episode of not holding your live cost me 5 months of being out of work and 4 months non weight bearing!!
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Lucifa. 2/27/2016 8:46pm
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Hell everyone has their own opinions. It's all cool.
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zehn wrote:
Watch it a couple more times. Marvin just caught him at the wrong time and then made a mistake. He was already past Stewart when he...
Watch it a couple more times. Marvin just caught him at the wrong time and then made a mistake. He was already past Stewart when he messed up that jump.

Dungey got through the exact same situation without any problem.
ageee 100%!! Unfortunately I knew there would be plenty of people wanting to crucify him. Marvin was nowhere near Stew when he screwed up.
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We'll be uploading a post-race chat with Marvin about it in a little while where he goes into more depth on the thought process.
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For the record, whenever anyone says lapped riders should pull over and get out of the way, they are pulling that out of their butt. The rules say hold your line, don't cross over, just hold your line.

If riders pull over when they see a blue flag, that's their decision, but it is not what the blue flag requires.

Stewart did it right. He turned the corner, then took the far left line and stayed there. He held his line. There was plenty of room for everyone else.

Marvin should be mad only that he screwed up under pressure.
It was a great ride for him. This week he did not get it done. He should own up to it, and come back strong next week.

BTW: I went riding today at Pala, and it was awesome! I had to throw that in there.
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jevyguy 2/27/2016 8:56pm
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Stewart's fault or not...do you think he really gives 2 shits about the leaders coming through when one of them is Dungey?
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Stewart's fault or not...do you think he really gives 2 shits about the leaders coming through when one of them is Dungey?
No. James has consistently demonstrated that he doesn't give two shits about any of the other riders on the track. Ask Preston.
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GuyB wrote:
We'll be uploading a post-race chat with Marvin about it in a little while where he goes into more depth on the thought process.
I wonder what the guys here will say when he speaks about it? Probably call him stupid like they do DV and Emig. Only see what you wanna see I guess.
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I wonder what the guys here will say when he speaks about it? Probably call him stupid like they do DV and Emig. Only see what...
I wonder what the guys here will say when he speaks about it? Probably call him stupid like they do DV and Emig. Only see what you wanna see I guess.
I'll do a post-mortem on all of this later. I think we've clearly proven that some people don't play well with others, and can use a little less keyboard time...that I can help them with.
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Sargent Rock wrote:
Agreed 100%....he needs to leave the sport. Stewart fans don't want to hear about lack of ethcis from this guy, which is contradictory in my opinion.
2smokRRR wrote:
Um yeah sure...with practice times like he had after a few weeks off the bike and recovering from a heavy concussion..a few hundredths off the fastest...
Um yeah sure...with practice times like he had after a few weeks off the bike and recovering from a heavy concussion..a few hundredths off the fastest time....yep retirement.
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Stewart's average lap time in the main was like 2.5 seconds off Dungey's pace. That may be acceptable for someone with few accomplishments, but for a...
Stewart's average lap time in the main was like 2.5 seconds off Dungey's pace. That may be acceptable for someone with few accomplishments, but for a guy with multiple titles and having made a lot of money they should hang it up before they shame their legacy.
What im getting at feint is even with time off the bike the guy can still match the current fast guys times in a sprint ie practice but to think hed ride at 100 percent in his condition in the race format theres no way he just isnt race fit atm..id say his team and everyone around him made sure he took it easy for once.
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Hut 2/27/2016 9:05pm
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James out there breathing up all the air..... Looked to me like Musquin fucked that one up himself.
Bilabongathlete 2/27/2016 9:15pm
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James held his line. He did nothing wrong. watch the video again, Marvin clipped and had nothing to do with James. Everyone that says James messed Marvin up is completely wrong and is probably blind. Marvin clipped and was not even close to James, so chill out Marv fan boys its racing.

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