what was the best 250 2 stroke 2000 and up

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Depends on what you want in stock form...

Suspension? 06 to present YZ

Power? Current model KTMs

Chasis/Handling? Steel frame RMs, although the aluminum framed ones are damn good too.

That's not to say either the KX or CR aren't any good either, because they are also great bikes. The Hondas had several years of weak engines though.

Obviously any and all of a bikes shortcomings can be mitigated assuming you spend enough money.
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Chasis/Handling? Steel frame RMs, although the aluminum framed ones are damn good too.

There was never an aluminum framed 2 stroke RM in production.
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The Carmichael inspired '05-'08 RM 250.
11/4/2015 4:01am Edited Date/Time 11/4/2015 4:13am
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The Carmichael inspired '05-'08 RM 250.
06-08.

They pulled the head tube back 5mm in 06.

Best resale/quality - 05-07 CR250R. make sure you get an 05+, they pulled the fork lugs in 5mm, and the stock carb is much better than the 02-03.

Best handling/fastest/worst resale/worst parts availability - 06-08 RM250. they'll rip your armss off compltely stock, handle like a mountain bike. hard to find used parts for, and the transmission parts have tripled in price in the last 4 years from the OEMs. they're drying up. Comes with an 18mm shock that costs twice as much as the shock thats on the RMZ., they definitely didn't skimp on that bike.

03+ Kawasaki. feels like the front tire is made out of cement, abrupt motor.

Best overall package/best parts availability - 06+ YZ250

as far as the KTMs go, it's just my personal opinion that those bikes aren't all that. I think they tend to look better than they are because Japan hasn't produced anything in a decade, plus most of the reviews are from people who just dropped 8K on one, so they arent going to tell you it sucks. the motor falls on it's face up top, which is absolutely bizarre for a case reed motor. just beware of any bike that has a dozen "fixes" to make it run with a stock YZ. The RC valve Hondas sort of fit into this category too.

The best 250 two-stroke i've ever ridden in my life was a full deal Watts Performance CR250 with the Ricky 24-0 replica engine work. Zero hit, and it just keeps revving and revving and revving. It's truly a 450 killer. But it's not cheap. If you ever see someone with "Watts Performance" engraved on their cylinder, ask nicely to ride the bike. unreal.

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99-02 kx250 it is a great bike. Parts for days on eBay.

Rides excellent. Corners great. The only option for me plus resale value is great.
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99-02 kx250 it is a great bike. Parts for days on eBay.

Rides excellent. Corners great. The only option for me plus resale value is great.
Got one. It's a good bike, but it's got nothing on the 06+ YZ250.
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I vote YZ for parts availability, cost, quality, overall package.
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I liked the 03-07 KX 250 personally. I've got an '06 currently...and damn does it have a great engine. The chassis and suspension has always worked well for me on Kawi's.

I liked the RM's of that era too, but it looks like parts are getting pricey.

Yamaha - to me, are just about the most uncomfortable bikes ever made. Good engines, but the ergos do not fit me at all.

Honda - can you spell gutless? I've ridden a bunch of them and they were all absolute dogs.

In a nutshell, it's all preference, and if you can find a good bike to start with.
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In stock trim its hands down the 2015+ YZ250.

Any of the others can be made as good or better for varying amounts of money. Recipes readily available on the inter webs.


*I have an 07 CR250 (That's for sale BTW) with some port work, compression modifications, Boyesen 2 stage reeds, and a Showa Spring fork A-Kit that will blow away ANY stock 2-stroke 250 of any color or year.
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WSR wrote:
The Carmichael inspired '05-'08 RM 250.
06-08. They pulled the head tube back 5mm in 06. Best resale/quality - 05-07 CR250R. make sure you get an 05+, they pulled the fork lugs...
06-08.

They pulled the head tube back 5mm in 06.

Best resale/quality - 05-07 CR250R. make sure you get an 05+, they pulled the fork lugs in 5mm, and the stock carb is much better than the 02-03.

Best handling/fastest/worst resale/worst parts availability - 06-08 RM250. they'll rip your armss off compltely stock, handle like a mountain bike. hard to find used parts for, and the transmission parts have tripled in price in the last 4 years from the OEMs. they're drying up. Comes with an 18mm shock that costs twice as much as the shock thats on the RMZ., they definitely didn't skimp on that bike.

03+ Kawasaki. feels like the front tire is made out of cement, abrupt motor.

Best overall package/best parts availability - 06+ YZ250

as far as the KTMs go, it's just my personal opinion that those bikes aren't all that. I think they tend to look better than they are because Japan hasn't produced anything in a decade, plus most of the reviews are from people who just dropped 8K on one, so they arent going to tell you it sucks. the motor falls on it's face up top, which is absolutely bizarre for a case reed motor. just beware of any bike that has a dozen "fixes" to make it run with a stock YZ. The RC valve Hondas sort of fit into this category too.

The best 250 two-stroke i've ever ridden in my life was a full deal Watts Performance CR250 with the Ricky 24-0 replica engine work. Zero hit, and it just keeps revving and revving and revving. It's truly a 450 killer. But it's not cheap. If you ever see someone with "Watts Performance" engraved on their cylinder, ask nicely to ride the bike. unreal.
Going from a yz to a 250sx, I agree that the motor fell on it's face up top (out of the box). It really doesn't need a dozen fixes though. Way different jetting, different pipe/silencer woke mine up. Then a 38mm carb just because I was bored and came across it but that difference from the 36 to 38 wasn't huge for me. I changed jetting and exhaust on my old yz as well so it doesn't really need a lot of "fixes" comparing the two.

That said, if you can afford a new bike/newer bike I'd recommend Yami or KTM, the suzuki is killer as well. I had an 05 KX and it felt like a YZ in many ways but not as good of a package.
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My 94 RM 250 was my favorite... not sure it ever graded out as "the best".

Some of this debate is personal preference.
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I really like the 06+ yz. Have an 09, bought new in 08 still awesome.
Its cool how they never update it, just keep the same bike.
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From a 250 view point, after all the post 2000's , my favorite was the 04 and later RM. The Kx felt wide, and never really got it to turn well. The 01-02 motor worked well though. The Honda motor in the 00-01was great, the chassis was stiff in the 2 strokes though. The 02 and later motors were weak and quirky to jet, weak down low. The steel YZ kept getting better after 01. The 06 and later AF , by some, was not an improvement. The sss suspension came at the same time, so the bike got better, but was it the frame or the suspension? The motor is a good all around motor. The RM is it's own breed of cat. Narrow, nimble, turns great, a little nervous on bumpy fast sections. The motors are light flywheel, quick revving. Best to mix race gas for more consistent jetting. The bike doesn't beat you like the AF Honda's do. All of these will need suspension work, or at least proper set up. Funny, but all the AF thumpers beat me except for the RMZ 250. That's why I chose it for my 500 AF conversion project. A RMZ 250 two stroke with an 05-08 RM motor would be sweet.
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06+ YZ250 It does everything really well. Best part is that for a couple hundred dollars you can take an old bike and make it look new. I loved mine and wish I still had it.

That being said, I would buy the Honda just because of the resale. IDK why but Honda just feels different and has a collect-ability to it.
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11/4/2015 3:57pm Edited Date/Time 11/4/2015 3:59pm
02 YZ250 and up, don't know if there's anything wrong with older YZ? I lack experience. I think I prefer the steel frame before the aluminum one. The old KYB forks are pretty ok despite people get all worked up by the KYB SSS...
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I recently rode a 2015 ktm150sx and loved the bike. The motor was incredibly fun and the chassis made the bike feel like my trek session. I loved it. I currently own a 2000 kx125, 00 rm250, 05 rm250, and have ridden one of the af yzs. I love that borrowed 150 to the point that im considering picking one up.
There has been no bike which i have really disliked, it all depends on your pricepoint. Buy the bike in the best condition for the money that you have, and be patient.
I picked up a 2006 yz450f with no wear on the cases for 1800 bucks in 2013... the gems are out there.
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Correction.... i hated my rm250 once when it developed a retarded case of headshake and threw me into the dirt at mach 10. I bought a steeting stabilizer that day, and loved it again.
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Another vote for 04+ RM250. I just got an 04 and I love it. Light, narrow, corners on a razors edge. 06 to 08 has a broader motor. Only complaint about my 04 is the motor isn't quite as versatile as the yz250 motor. I would say all the last generation 250 2 strokes are great it depends on what you want in a bike.
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I thought 2002 Honda was absolutely great but most don't agree, I have 2016 ktm and it is the best bike I've ever had
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I thought 2002 Honda was absolutely great but most don't agree, I have 2016 ktm and it is the best bike I've ever had
The vibration on the 2002's was terrible. The chassis felt wide as well.

My favorite was the 2001 em 250 and 2002 yz 250.
11/4/2015 11:38pm Edited Date/Time 11/5/2015 1:44am
deezy6520 wrote:
looking to buy one for next season
Join the '04 or later RM250 brotherhood. Its the best turning bike you will ever ride.
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11/5/2015 12:04am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2015 12:05am
BobPA wrote:
I liked the 03-07 KX 250 personally. I've got an '06 currently...and damn does it have a great engine. The chassis and suspension has always worked...
I liked the 03-07 KX 250 personally. I've got an '06 currently...and damn does it have a great engine. The chassis and suspension has always worked well for me on Kawi's.

I liked the RM's of that era too, but it looks like parts are getting pricey.

Yamaha - to me, are just about the most uncomfortable bikes ever made. Good engines, but the ergos do not fit me at all.

Honda - can you spell gutless? I've ridden a bunch of them and they were all absolute dogs.

In a nutshell, it's all preference, and if you can find a good bike to start with.
lets face it there isnt one single Honda you like, so no one really cares that you hate them with a passion

for me the KX250 or RM250 were good in that era...later years YZ250 pretty good too, didnt like the KTM250's and never rode a CR250 of that era....actually I might of ridden a friends 03 CR250, rings a bell cant remember what it was like tho after only riding it once.
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You are on drugs if you say 01 RM250
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11/5/2015 2:22am Edited Date/Time 11/5/2015 2:23am
99-00 KX250
01- YZ250
05 RM250
06+ YZ250
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03 KTM 250 SX . Evil
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I like the steel frame YZs better than the aluminum frame. I have a 2002 YZ250 with '06 SSS forks.Its the perfect combination for me.
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2000-2001 CR250
2002-2004 YZ250
98-99 KX250
05-08 RM250
There are a bunch of great other bikes but I think these are the best. My next choices would be:
Any 1998-2016 YZ250
Any KTM with a link arm
2003-2004 RM250
2000 and up KX250
The CR250 you can probably go back to the late 80's and have a bike that is competitive with modern stuff. The 2002 and up are also great bikes but I don't think the motors are as good as the 2000-2001.
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68 wrote:
You are on drugs if you say 01 RM250
'01 RM 250.

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