If I were to move to California ?

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10/26/2014 10:52am
TeamGreen wrote:
Yesterday I got to Milestone at 10:30 & was on the track by 10:45. I was packed up and in my way to a meeting by...
Yesterday I got to Milestone at 10:30 & was on the track by 10:45. I was packed up and in my way to a meeting by 1:30. Traffic to Murrieta was the usual Friday-heavy (where my mtg was) due to so many folks heading out for the weekend (tons of toy haulers heading out).

On Thursday I rode at Glen Helen.

This morning, I'm going surfing with my 7 y/o daughter.

Next week I'll do a coupl'a days of Moto & sneak down to Baja the following week & start pre-running for the Baja 1000.

Yup, California sucks.
I want your job, lol
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We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide. WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used...
We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide.
WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used to that.

Teamgreen if you need to hire next year let me know.
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana.
Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible and our state is not over regulated like some.

I have a buddy who lives in LA and say's it's way higher there.
But he does really like SoCal. Btw, he's single. He told me he wouldn't want to raise a family there.
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10/26/2014 1:11pm
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You can't survive in most of the desirable places to live in California if you make less than $100k per year (single) or $150k joint with...
You can't survive in most of the desirable places to live in California if you make less than $100k per year (single) or $150k joint with a family. Yes, you can survive with less $, but you will not be able to afford to do all of the activities you said you want to do. Unless you are independently wealthy! Living expenses here are mostly outrageous. As is fuel (as you will have to drive a LOT), track fees, taxes, DMV costs, etc.... Every agency or state bureau or private firm here wants bookoo $$ for everything. Yes, Cal is a great place with so much to offer - horrific traffic, arrogant people (most not from here), greedy incompetent local and state Govt and Chinese and Persians buying up all housing even further driving up costs. Did I mention horrible traffic and idiot drivers? High rent or mortgage costs for the property you will be inhabiting. You don't get much for what you pay for! The mx tracks in SoCal are not that great either. The dirt is not that great. Glen Helen and Cahuilla are not as good as they used to be. Elsinore is hit and miss and more miss than hit. Milestone is ok but crowded most ride days. Star West and Perris are ok but they are not as good as they used to be. Piru is decent and LACR is coming back which is good. $25 per ride day fees. Plus even if you live in the mx hotbed of Corona or Temecula it will still take you approx. 1 hour to get to most mx tracks most days - traffic is that bad. Traffic in Temecula and the nearby area especially is HORRIBLE! So be careful what you wish for! Northern California may be the most bang for your buck. I'm also from Indiana and moved away from that shit hole loooong ago. California is great but it comes at a significant cost moneywise and lifestyle-wise. If you have $$ and can deal with traffic and crowds of people and don't mind getting ripped off from all angles, then maybe you will enjoy it here. Good luck.
^ This is the truth.

It took me 2 hrs to drive 10 miles through Corona Friday afternoon. The 91/15 interchange is easily the worst spot in the world.

I was headed to Chaney Ranch for an awesome day of moto so it was worth it but no matter where you live in SoCal you will be driving an hour plus to the track.

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10/29/2014 9:05am
GO to Yuba city craigslist and check rental prices
you can get an apartment there in the $400 to $600 per month range
and a rental house for $1000 to $1200
its about 30 miles north of sacramento/Roseville
you can find some work there , but a lot of people there commute to Roseville for work

they have a nice track and riding area's there .
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We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide. WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used...
We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide.
WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used to that.

Teamgreen if you need to hire next year let me know.
Indy mxer wrote:
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana. Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible...
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana.
Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible and our state is not over regulated like some.

I have a buddy who lives in LA and say's it's way higher there.
But he does really like SoCal. Btw, he's single. He told me he wouldn't want to raise a family there.
What is the cost of happiness? Indiana sucks I lived here my whole life and it sucks. We race bmx and it isn't but a six month sport in Indiana you have to travel to much in the winter just to ride.

Just like Yuba city rent is about the same as it is here. gas is higher I called a few tire shops that change semi tires out in Sacramento area and they pay about 5.00 an hour more than here.

Pros 16 bmx tracks within 3 hours 22 mx tracks/trails within 3 hours winters are warm.

Cons gas prices and brutal traffic.
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10/29/2014 1:18pm Edited Date/Time 10/29/2014 1:54pm
We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide. WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used...
We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide.
WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used to that.

Teamgreen if you need to hire next year let me know.
Indy mxer wrote:
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana. Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible...
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana.
Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible and our state is not over regulated like some.

I have a buddy who lives in LA and say's it's way higher there.
But he does really like SoCal. Btw, he's single. He told me he wouldn't want to raise a family there.
What is the cost of happiness? Indiana sucks I lived here my whole life and it sucks. We race bmx and it isn't but a six...
What is the cost of happiness? Indiana sucks I lived here my whole life and it sucks. We race bmx and it isn't but a six month sport in Indiana you have to travel to much in the winter just to ride.

Just like Yuba city rent is about the same as it is here. gas is higher I called a few tire shops that change semi tires out in Sacramento area and they pay about 5.00 an hour more than here.

Pros 16 bmx tracks within 3 hours 22 mx tracks/trails within 3 hours winters are warm.

Cons gas prices and brutal traffic.
Did you map the distance from Yuba/Marysville to Lake Tahoe (North-shore)?
Did you google-earth the -3- tracks in Yuba/Marysville...?
How about the short drive to Hangtown/Prairie City?
Sacramento is 1/2-3/4 hour away, too.
That really is a good area for out-door sports, huting...etc.
Cost of living is more like the Mid-West, too.
A lot of agriculture and some un-discussable militatry/communications/tech jobs over at Beale AFB...

I'm jus' knowin'...
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J Law...last time I saw him, recently...he was livin' out here...ridin' out here...versus that lame-ass video from How Many YEARS AGO?
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let us know what you decide
and if you actually go
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We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide. WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used...
We dont have tight family at all so that helps decide.
WE have all the tax hikes and bs here.Pay pay pay so we are used to that.

Teamgreen if you need to hire next year let me know.
Indy mxer wrote:
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana. Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible...
You have no idea the difference in cost of living. It's actually a pretty good deal here in Indiana.
Property taxes capped, sales tax not terrible and our state is not over regulated like some.

I have a buddy who lives in LA and say's it's way higher there.
But he does really like SoCal. Btw, he's single. He told me he wouldn't want to raise a family there.
What is the cost of happiness? Indiana sucks I lived here my whole life and it sucks. We race bmx and it isn't but a six...
What is the cost of happiness? Indiana sucks I lived here my whole life and it sucks. We race bmx and it isn't but a six month sport in Indiana you have to travel to much in the winter just to ride.

Just like Yuba city rent is about the same as it is here. gas is higher I called a few tire shops that change semi tires out in Sacramento area and they pay about 5.00 an hour more than here.

Pros 16 bmx tracks within 3 hours 22 mx tracks/trails within 3 hours winters are warm.

Cons gas prices and brutal traffic.
Easy man!
I wasn't saying don't move. For sure do what makes you happy. I was disputing the cost of living thing. Higher taxes, fees and such.
All that said my buddy loves LA. The weather is much better there, but it does come with a price
I hate winter here too. Spring, summer and fall are nice but you're right, winter is boring as hell here.

I would love to move south to have less winter and more time to ride and play golf. My wife was all for it until we had our new grandson 6 months ago. Now she won't even discuss it. lol
But she hates winter too. So we've decided when we retire, hopefully in about 6 years, we're going to spend winters in the south.

Anyway, do your research. Good luck!
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Tarz483 wrote:


let us know what you decide
and if you actually go
excaliber
Yes we are going. Life is too short to stay in one spot. I want to have the ability to ride both mx bmx as well as mtb.
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I am going to say what a lot of people have already said. As a Native of this state, yes I realize how great it is here. More so in comparison to other areas when it comes to weather. That said, you will not believe how good you have it cost wise in the mid west. You make more money here, but you also pay more. Southern California has a few tracks to ride. They also cost to ride on them. Gas costs more, traffic is constant, you work more to afford to live here. If you have a family I guarantee your chance to ride will diminish.

If you move here: open a business. Do not work for someone if you want time and money. You can make your own schedule and have the money to afford to ride.

If you move here unprepared, you will hate it. Love the weather but become a slave to the ever increasing cost. I dont want to dissuade you, but I do want you to understand that the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side.

Look at Nevada, Texas or Arizona. Cost of living is a lot less and less bullshit reasons to why the state tells you CANT ride.

So you understand, here is your same list based on California
Crime exists where it is cheap to live. Check it out www.spotcrime.com/ If you can't afford to pay more than what craigslist has, you are going to get a shock.

police are everywhere 5 mph over and your getting a ticket - Drive a lifted Truck with Monster stickers, expect the same.
water bills 100 bucks - Water costs more here, even more with a drought, Add paying additional electricity for AC to keep your house cooler. Don't forget sewer and trash. Gotta pay for them. Natural Gas is pretty cheap. Propane is near gasoline prices.

gas 3.00 a gal right now - Damn, it hasn't been below $3 in 8 years. Cheapest its been has been $3.20, add to the fact if you want to live somewhere nice you will drive AND spend an hour each way in traffic.
Rent 2400.00 a month 3 br 1000sqft apartment in So Cal. nice neighborhood. $1200 for a one bedroom in crappy neighborhood.

bmx racing very small turnouts in So Cal local tracks as well.

indoor tracks 2/3 hr drive - none.
mx tracks 2/3 hr drive odd hours - - Expect to spend at least an hour stuck in traffic trying to get to the track. Two hours to trail ride at min if not longer. Depends on where you live. Rialto - super close to tracks. Lock your bike at home.

4 months of winter - 4 Months of Hot! Not humid hot, but still hot.

road construction never ends in every major hiway for no reason - Same here.
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if it is what you really want to do, go for it.

you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people are too scared to try anything real bold.

much safer to just maintain the status quo..
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if it is what you really want to do, go for it. you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people...
if it is what you really want to do, go for it.

you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people are too scared to try anything real bold.

much safer to just maintain the status quo..
That's great advice. I'm seriously getting closer to this every day. I have been feeling stagnant and it's not a good feeling. No one gets out of this life alive and life's to short to be complacent.
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if it is what you really want to do, go for it. you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people...
if it is what you really want to do, go for it.

you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people are too scared to try anything real bold.

much safer to just maintain the status quo..
Cygnus wrote:
That's great advice. I'm seriously getting closer to this every day. I have been feeling stagnant and it's not a good feeling. No one gets out...
That's great advice. I'm seriously getting closer to this every day. I have been feeling stagnant and it's not a good feeling. No one gets out of this life alive and life's to short to be complacent.
these^^^^ are what's most important.

Tiki i get what you are saying but cost to live is relative as you have to pay for utilities where ever you are and the needs of which vary depending where you live. we run our A/C for 9 months or more a year and have to have both hazard and "FLOOD" insurance on our homes. so considering that rent there doesn't seem so bad. buying a house outright there is a different story though but by the time i get there i don't want to have to keep up with all that surrounds "owning" a home so i am fine with renting. it sounds like the only downfall is time spent in traffic but in my situation the closest track is 40 mins away and it's the "go to" if nothing else is open or you need a quickie. it's small. the other 3 or 4 tracks are ~2hrs away, more tracks more drive. also keep in mind that they are only open on the weekends and weather dependant (rain). so i see time in traffic as a wash. i am on the excaliburbmx train. moving there for the weather and lifestyle as things are accepted more and more abundant there as the "norm", convienence is key also. moto, surf, mtb , skateparks, mountains, etc. etc.

here:
moto 1hr +
surf 3hr + for knee high
mtb 1hr + for trails in hills
skateparks ~50 mins one indoor one concrete

there is nothing here unless you are a hunter/fisherman or a stick and baller and neither of which am I. the only thing holding me here is being vested with my company...and when the time comes I am out!
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Lots of good stuff and lots of misinformation in here. You can't really say "SoCal has the worst traffic ever". Where are you talking about specifically? YES, the 91/15 junction IS the worst, it is crawling all the time weekday/weekend. That said, the traffic isn't unbearable in my area and there is a bmx track 5 minutes from my place, bunch of bicycle jumps and trails 10-30 minutes away, a few mx tracks 45 minutes-1 hour away and then some that are more of a pain (like getting to Milestone without getting stuck in traffic).
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10/30/2014 9:12am Edited Date/Time 10/30/2014 9:20am
I have lived in Northern California my entire life, I have spent a lot of time in Southern California. There was a point where I was there 2 or 3 days a week. I always wanted to live there, I came very close to moving about 20 years ago. You couldn't pay me enough money to live there now. Nor Cal is close enough to hit the all the West Coast Supercrosses plus Glen Helen, Hangtown, Washougal, Utah. BMX scene is better and entire area is less pretentious as long as you stay out of the Bay Area. Look to the outlining areas of Sacramento and Marysville/Yuba City, the culture shock will be far less. Look up the hill a little too Auburn to the north of Sacramento and Browns Valley/Penn Valley east of Marysville. Both still affordable. I'd say Grass Valley but good luck finding rentals, pot growers are paying more than asking prices. That may be changing soon though, Sherrif Andy, Dep. Barney and the Board of Supervisors are doing everything they can to shut them off completely. Both legal and otherwise, government corruption is not always a negative. I can't believe I just said that.
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I have lived all over the world; Colorado, Chicago, Socal, Seattle, Georgia, Hawaii, Dominican Republic, Korea, and Florida. The only place I would never even consider living again is Socal. The reason that everyone in Socal wants to have a nice car is not just because they are narcissistic, but because they spend more time sitting in it than they do in their home. If you are young, single, go for it. Every place you live can have a positive influence in your life, even if ultimately you decide you don't like it.
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if it is what you really want to do, go for it. you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people...
if it is what you really want to do, go for it.

you only live once and life is too short for what ifs, most people are too scared to try anything real bold.

much safer to just maintain the status quo..
Cygnus wrote:
That's great advice. I'm seriously getting closer to this every day. I have been feeling stagnant and it's not a good feeling. No one gets out...
That's great advice. I'm seriously getting closer to this every day. I have been feeling stagnant and it's not a good feeling. No one gets out of this life alive and life's to short to be complacent.
brocster wrote:
these^^^^ are what's most important. Tiki i get what you are saying but cost to live is relative as you have to pay for utilities where...
these^^^^ are what's most important.

Tiki i get what you are saying but cost to live is relative as you have to pay for utilities where ever you are and the needs of which vary depending where you live. we run our A/C for 9 months or more a year and have to have both hazard and "FLOOD" insurance on our homes. so considering that rent there doesn't seem so bad. buying a house outright there is a different story though but by the time i get there i don't want to have to keep up with all that surrounds "owning" a home so i am fine with renting. it sounds like the only downfall is time spent in traffic but in my situation the closest track is 40 mins away and it's the "go to" if nothing else is open or you need a quickie. it's small. the other 3 or 4 tracks are ~2hrs away, more tracks more drive. also keep in mind that they are only open on the weekends and weather dependant (rain). so i see time in traffic as a wash. i am on the excaliburbmx train. moving there for the weather and lifestyle as things are accepted more and more abundant there as the "norm", convienence is key also. moto, surf, mtb , skateparks, mountains, etc. etc.

here:
moto 1hr +
surf 3hr + for knee high
mtb 1hr + for trails in hills
skateparks ~50 mins one indoor one concrete

there is nothing here unless you are a hunter/fisherman or a stick and baller and neither of which am I. the only thing holding me here is being vested with my company...and when the time comes I am out!
Replace Flood Insurance with Earthquake or Wildland Fire insurance depending on where you live.
Southern California is expensive. Everyone wants to live here, so the market reflects that.

Starting wages for unskilled people are about $11 an hour. Skilled probably around $18. Expect an increase in wages as you work longer/become more skilled. Most top skilled wages are around $30. That comes with years of experience. Do the math, add the taxes and all of a sudden living in California is not so swell. Roommates and house sharing becomes mandatory.

Again, not trying to tell him don't do it. Just know what you are getting into. There are better places to move to with the weather and are not as impacted as here. Sounds like a Road Trip is needed.
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I made the move when I was 13. It's a different lifestyle, and I love it. I'm from Cleveland, Ohio, which is actually a great Motocross area with a lot of fast guys, but you can only ride 8 months out of the year.

I live in Murrieta, the unofficial center of the industry. Two-Two Racing's headquarters is 2 streets over from my office. Factory KTM is across the freeway. Pro Circuit is 35 mins away in Corona.

Tracks are 45 mins away: Cahuilla Creek, Milestone, Perris, Starwest, Glen Helen etc. Open for practice every day of the week (and most nights)

If you're a true motohead, this is the place to be. Cost of living is high, but it's just the sunshine tax.
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NorCal

Look at Auburn
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I was there 2 weeks ago looking at real estate in East Bay for a potential job I might be accepting in So. San Francisco. I...
I was there 2 weeks ago looking at real estate in East Bay for a potential job I might be accepting in So. San Francisco. I live in an expensive suburban area near NYC and I was blown away by the costs of a decent house in that area. There were a lot of small 1500 sq ft 3 bedroom houses, almost no yards (look out your window and rig ht into the neighbor's house) with a price range of $1.2 to 1.8 million. Something similar to my modest 5000 sq foot NJ home and decent yard with a pool would probably be closer to $3 million in that area. First thing I did was map out the MX tracks and ski slopes.

I also have a friend, Royce, in Vacaville.. He drives a blue Pro-street 1961 Buick with white roof, no hood and a big 8-71 supercharger. Seen it around town?

mike
You can't really compare the Bay Area, especially nicer parts of the South Bay, with the rest of NorCal or the Sacramento metro region in terms of property cost. Not saying the rest of California isn't more costly than most of the rest of the US, just that the Bay Are is ridiculous and more so the closer you get to the the nicer areas of Marin, the Penninsula/South Bay/Silicon Valley, SF Proper and the Oakland Hills/Orinda/Lafayette/Moraga area.

What's nice about someplace in the Sierra foothills not too far north or south of Sacramento is that there are tracks in the valley down the valley, there is a lot of open riding USFS/BLM land available (especially if you're willing to go another hour to Nevada, all of the other summer and winter mountain sports are available, ocean not too far and with SF and the wine country there. And really no earthquake issues unless you go farther south towards Mammoth. If you're below 3,000', snow is a maybe once or twice a winter thing, rarely sticking.
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I say go for it. Whats the worst that can happen? You try it out for a few years and if it isn't for you, move back. No harm no foul and it takes away the what ifs on down the road. Sure, you will lose a little money in the move costs, but you can't take it with you when you go and can always make more!

I spend a lot of time with work over in Socal. I used to be just like you and felt this magnetic pull to someday be there. After visiting for the past 10 years on a monthly basis, its not really for me. We can talk traffic this and that, but there is a reason people get road rage after being in the car 45 min. and those same people would never get upset driving 45 miles down the Interstate in another part of the country. Until you have to deal with it, you can't really appreciate what it is. Ive spent days going from OC up the 405 to the 10, then later in the day over to Covina (Berts) and then back down to Irvine at night. It just wears me out. Cant really explain it. I used to think Atlanta traffic was bad, but it nothing in comparison.

I recently was considering a move up to the San Jose (SV) area. WOW! Other than Manhattan, Im not sure there is a more expensive place in the country. Makes LA seem cheap.

Your not going to get the same vibe, but I would consider Dallas or Houston as you would avoid the bad weather, still get some good tracks and the cost of living is probably cheaper than Indy. You really get a lot of bang for your buck in TX.

Whatever you do, don't ever, ever, ever consider Phoenix AZ. We are already overloaded with Canadians and upper Midwest folks trying to get out of the cold. Its gotten so bad that most of the East Valley has become a far west suburb of Chicago. We also have tons of people fleeing California. They come over here and pay cash for a house twice as big as the one they sold. We need hang "No Vacancy" on the signs as you enter the State. Wink
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mxvacations.com

I did an A1 package a few years ago and it was great.
Adjust to the time change before you go. You will have the afternoon/evenings to get a feel for the place.
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10/30/2014 1:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/30/2014 1:03pm
NorCal

Look at Auburn
Or Camino...or Placerville...that entire area is EPIC!

Here's the thing:

I live in California.
I'm worth it.
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I left Portland OR 6 months ago. Now I live in Carlsbad. I AM NOT GOING BACK!
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I live up by kokomo, IN. I grew up here and raced my whole life, moved to charleston,sc for awhile, got the socal itch, and moved. I made 25 in charleston flat rate on motorcycles. 40-50 hours a week in SC, i got 30-35 in socal and i'd bill60-80 hrs in a 40hr work week. I lived with a roommate and paid less than 800 rent/util. Lots to do, i lived close to glen helen. If i moved back it would be close to the ocean. I loved it and had a blast. Will either move back there or back down south. The weather here is even worse when you haven't seen winter for awhile!
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Food was about the same, auto insurance was 1/3 more, but it was 1/3 more than that in SC. Gas wasn't hard to get used to, you don't rack up the miles like ya do here. Traffic can be bad but it wasn't a deal breaker. Indy is a pretty hard town to beat for traffic. You can get anywhere pretty fast in Indy. I had it where i was going opposite of everyone else to work in CA. If i wanted to visit friends in hollywood i could drive 70-80 for an hour and a half with only a couple of slow downs on saturday afternoon.
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ob wrote:
I left Portland OR 6 months ago. Now I live in Carlsbad. I AM NOT GOING BACK!
I have been considering Carlsbad too. Lots of good surf from there down to cabo.

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