Rare or ununsual bikes you've ridden or owned?

hillbilly
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8/27/2014 2:01pm
hillbilly wrote:
The countershaft and swingarm being the same pivot on the bmw is not something I'd want. Being able to load or unload the rear suspension is...
The countershaft and swingarm being the same pivot on the bmw is not something I'd want. Being able to load or unload the rear suspension is needed in mx. Had to be a odd feeling for a rider use to conventional design.
Robgvx wrote:
Surely you still can? The chain pulling on the top of the sprocket is what compresses the suspension I would have presumed.
It is greatly reduced. When I use it most is a short jump where the front wheel has left the lip and the back wheel has yet to get on the jump or whoop. Hitting something like that fast wants to kick one over the bars. With the rear suspension compressing into the jump,adding power thru either throttle or clutch will help hold that kick down thru chain torque.

With the countershaft 3 inches in front of the swingarm pivot it has more mechanical advantage when the suspension is compressed.

When I raced the cagiva 250s I could not get the rear shock to feel they way I wanted. So I removed the shocks from the 3 bikes I was racing,the 125 ,250 and 430. Then put a floorjack under the rear tire and started measuring wheel travel versus shock length and found the 250 to be a straight rate. On all bikes today more shock is used at the end of the stroke than the beginning.

About a quarter inch of shock per inch of wheel travel at the beginning of stroke and a half inch of shock at the end of stroke.

That is why I broke swingarms so much till I put a spring on that would hold up a bus. The whitepower on the 250 was a bad design with a preload spring on the rebound side of the piston. Took a while but Igot it dialed ok.
Preston412
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8/27/2014 3:02pm
Not allowed or imported to the states but a dealer had one licensed for a year before it had to be sent back to Europe, I got to put five miles on it.


My first race bike




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rcannon
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8/27/2014 3:49pm
A LEM 50. Amazing Italian build quality. Worked on it at least three hours for every hour it was ridden. A horrible bike, really, and difficult to even give away since no one wanted to pay for parts.

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domoguchi
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8/27/2014 3:49pm
Great looking bike. Must be fun to twist the throttle on that beast...
mumbles
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8/27/2014 4:02pm
Here is me riding my dad's 1958 BSA Gold Star. I won my first MX trophy on that thing in 1972.






Here is my 1961 Greeves 250 MCS Dave Bickers (RIP) Replica. I just restored it about a year ago.



I have ridden a few others but bon't have any digital pics of them like a 1973 Montessa Capra 250 MX, 1976 Yamaha TT500, 1964 Honda CB160, 1974 Honda XL350, 1953 Triumph Tiger Cub 200. All of these were set up for MX. Some were ok most were terrible.

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Kartwheel84c
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8/27/2014 4:24pm
'77 Carabela 250



'77 Can-Am 250 MX-3



The most rare bike for sure is the '78 Sachs MC-GS. One of only 5 imported into North America, basically a works bike.





I also owned an '86 Cagiva 125WMX, far and away the worst bike I have ever owned. It seized every time I rode it, I think it had a porous crankcase casting causing an air leak but I never could find it. I finally sold it after 6 months and bought a Honda CR125.
8/27/2014 4:29pm
My Bultaco Chispa, Ducati Paso, Husaberg FE350 and a Cagiva Elephant.







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zippy895
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8/27/2014 4:52pm
Prob buying this, does anyone know what it is? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/26/63516/s1200_foto.jpg[/img]
Prob buying this, does anyone know what it is?



xl 250 or 350?
domoguchi
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8/27/2014 5:48pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2014 5:53pm


Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from the Steens Importer in California. Sat in his showroom for many years prior to me owning it...Rare peice of MX history... This is unrestored and in original condition. Fully documented and original Cycle News article included.
Presently For Sale .
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bd
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8/27/2014 6:12pm
1984 Honda CR 60R

This little red bike was a rocket
gt80rider
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8/27/2014 7:22pm
Ardfarkl wrote:
1973 GT80MX. Sold it in '80. Total bummer!
Hell ya!
lumpy790
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8/27/2014 7:27pm
lumpy790 wrote:
414 Montessa [URL=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lumpy790/media/Vintage%20Lumpy/MontchasingLoving.jpg.html][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/lumpy790/Vintage%20Lumpy/MontchasingLoving.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 125CR Husqvarna [URL=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lumpy790/media/Vintage%20Lumpy/125huskymed.jpg.html][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/lumpy790/Vintage%20Lumpy/125huskymed.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
414 Montessa



125CR Husqvarna

Lumpy is the pick from big berm?
Yes it is Big Berm in 1980 and guessing it was Easter weekend by the bunny ears on the Kaw riders helmet
Jack mehoff
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8/27/2014 7:35pm
lumpy790 wrote:
414 Montessa [URL=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lumpy790/media/Vintage%20Lumpy/MontchasingLoving.jpg.html][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/lumpy790/Vintage%20Lumpy/MontchasingLoving.jpg[/IMG][/URL] 125CR Husqvarna [URL=http://smg.photobucket.com/user/lumpy790/media/Vintage%20Lumpy/125huskymed.jpg.html][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/lumpy790/Vintage%20Lumpy/125huskymed.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
414 Montessa



125CR Husqvarna

Lumpy is the pick from big berm?
lumpy790 wrote:
Yes it is Big Berm in 1980 and guessing it was Easter weekend by the bunny ears on the Kaw riders helmet
When fall comes around and the leaves drop I will send you pic off that hill , I drive by it a few times a week ,and it looks the same - the track
Highsider
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8/27/2014 7:35pm
1966 BSA 441 Round Barrel. It TRIED to break both femurs at Saddleback in 1971.



1968 BSA 441 Square Barrel with trick Ceriani forks and Koni rear shocks. In late 1971.



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Motodave15
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8/27/2014 8:08pm
From my ig... surprised nobody has mentioned it.. but behold the rare highland mx bike

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8/27/2014 8:59pm
My First Two Stroke:



Not sure how rare they were back in the day but by the late 80s I didn't see many of them around.
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lumpy790
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Lumpy is the pick from big berm?
lumpy790 wrote:
Yes it is Big Berm in 1980 and guessing it was Easter weekend by the bunny ears on the Kaw riders helmet
When fall comes around and the leaves drop I will send you pic off that hill , I drive by it a few times a week...
When fall comes around and the leaves drop I will send you pic off that hill , I drive by it a few times a week ,and it looks the same - the track
That would be cool. The dump is now over that ridge now.
Bigfoot
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8/27/2014 10:08pm
1982 YZ250J Air-cooled.

Yamaha never sold an air-cooled PowerValve motor. But I had one. When Jeff Jennings contract was up with Yamaha at the end of 1982 and it was time to turn in his equipment Yamaha management told him that any bikes he wanted to keep could be had for the princely sum of $750.

So JJ and I picked over all of the best stuff and put together this bike. We used the works crowns with titanium fasteners that he had and slid in the fork legs and front wheel of the 490 he had that had only been ridden a couple of times. The frame was a specially modified one that had the steering angle kicked out a degree (the stockers were kind of skittish). The rear shock was a Wayne Mooradian/PEP modified model with a White Bros oversize reservoir. The rear suspension linkage was a White Bros prototype that had threaded struts to adjusts the rear ride height and Wayne had installed Zerk fittings so that the linkage pivots could be lubed without disassembling them. The footpegs were special Wayne modified ones that were bigger and higher than stock. The crank end had been machined to accept a YZ60 ignition that gave the powerband a quick zing. And the trickest thing of all, we used the air-cooled OW cylinder that the factory had made when their riders complained about the '82 YZ radiator mounted on the forks behind the numberplate.These cylinders were meant for Supercross with the logic being that overheating isn't as likely in a short race run at night as compared to a 45 minute moto in the heat of the day.

As cool as it was a stock '83 Honda CR250 was sooooo much better. My YZ did have a quick-revving motor that was easy to control, but even at its best the rear suspension was unpredictable. I rode it for a few years and raced it a few times and then in '87 a friend of JJ's borrowed it and never returned it.


I found that very bike some years ago on the internet. A vintage guy in Missouri has it and oddly enough he loaned it to Mike Bell for a vintage race. Mike is JJ's cousin and 1982 Yamaha teammate.





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pete24
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8/28/2014 7:57am
my cannondale i loved it








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kyle450rider
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8/28/2014 8:10am
Motodave15 wrote:
From my ig... surprised nobody has mentioned it.. but behold the rare highland mx bike[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/27/63696/s1200_Screenshot_2014_08_27_20_03_48.jpg[/img]
From my ig... surprised nobody has mentioned it.. but behold the rare highland mx bike

Highland was just down the road from where I live. They had a track on site for testing and had big plans. The owner and several of the big exec's died in a plane crash near tulsa. They had a lot of potential as far as building bikes and I'm sure would still be around if not for the tragedy that happened. They seemed like a KTM type of company and were building whatever people were wanting.
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MusicFilter
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8/28/2014 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2014 2:41pm
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect. [img]https://www.pulpmx.com/sites/default/files/u165/1_1.jpg[/img]
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect.
It was a bad ass bike. Had an 84 and 85 125. Motor was incredible


Or was it an 86? Can't recall for sure. I think my first one was an 84. Got it from cagiva n America. Tom Anderson made the deal with my dad and had it shipped to ks by train. Lol. Ron turner was killing it on them at Indian dunes when I saw it first time.
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MusicFilter
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8/28/2014 2:31pm
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect. [img]https://www.pulpmx.com/sites/default/files/u165/1_1.jpg[/img]
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect.
It was a bad ass bike. Had an 84 and 85 125. Motor was incredible [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/28/63776/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Or was it an 86? Can't recall for sure. I...
It was a bad ass bike. Had an 84 and 85 125. Motor was incredible


Or was it an 86? Can't recall for sure. I think my first one was an 84. Got it from cagiva n America. Tom Anderson made the deal with my dad and had it shipped to ks by train. Lol. Ron turner was killing it on them at Indian dunes when I saw it first time.


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8/28/2014 2:43pm
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect. [img]https://www.pulpmx.com/sites/default/files/u165/1_1.jpg[/img]
I always thought that was one of the most bad ass looking bikes ever. I always wanted to ride one, own one ect.
hillbilly wrote:
Thats a 86,87 had upside down forks. I was on the original factory team they started that year thru fall of 89. The 250s were supe...
Thats a 86,87 had upside down forks. I was on the original factory team they started that year thru fall of 89.

The 250s were supe fast but a straightrate rear suspension left me snapping swingarms like toothpicks.

They gave me a 87 125 to race in 88 because the 500 class was combined and killed so instead of racing 250 and 500 you had torace 125 and 250 at even the local AMA tracks. It sucked.

The 125 was ohlins front and back,the 250 was whitepower front and back.
The last one I had I think was an 85. It had the forks with one had a spring. The had no spring or something like that. Ahead of its time
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8/28/2014 3:21pm
domoguchi wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/27/63677/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from...


Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from the Steens Importer in California. Sat in his showroom for many years prior to me owning it...Rare peice of MX history... This is unrestored and in original condition. Fully documented and original Cycle News article included.
Presently For Sale .
Rickman framed 500 Triumph TT bike with single carb conversion. Looked just like the one above only in red and I somehow found myself in the precarious position of being my dad's test rider at the ripe old age of 12. Too bad they didn't convert the brake to right side, bout killed myself on it every time I rode it. That heavy mother fucker WOULD NOT stop, no matter how hard I stomped on the shifter.
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8/28/2014 3:39pm
EZZA 95B wrote:
My '03 MC Gas Gas's's's...s [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/25/63507/s1200_OUR_RIDES_026.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/25/63508/s1200_OUR_RIDES_022.jpg[/img]
My '03 MC Gas Gas's's's...s



I'm glad you like our catalan product! Cool
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8/28/2014 4:08pm
domoguchi wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/27/63677/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from...


Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from the Steens Importer in California. Sat in his showroom for many years prior to me owning it...Rare peice of MX history... This is unrestored and in original condition. Fully documented and original Cycle News article included.
Presently For Sale .
Care to share with us dreamers what the asking price is for a jewel like that these days? Just a damn work of art. Seeing someone who can ride the piss out of one of those is such a treat.
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8/28/2014 4:46pm
domoguchi wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/27/63677/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from...


Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from the Steens Importer in California. Sat in his showroom for many years prior to me owning it...Rare peice of MX history... This is unrestored and in original condition. Fully documented and original Cycle News article included.
Presently For Sale .
newmann wrote:
Care to share with us dreamers what the asking price is for a jewel like that these days? Just a damn work of art. Seeing someone...
Care to share with us dreamers what the asking price is for a jewel like that these days? Just a damn work of art. Seeing someone who can ride the piss out of one of those is such a treat.
domoguchi - one glance at my post above and you know I can appreciate this bike.
domoguchi
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8/28/2014 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2014 6:47pm
15k OBO buys it and that a smokin deal on this bike. This is one rare bike at what I feel is a very reasonable price. I know of much less rare and historically significate bikes with No documentation or documented history of any type sell for much much more.

I have raced this bike many times. I start off in second gear , shift once to third and never shift again. I lugs down low and put like a 100 HP John Deere tractor. Not many bikes can hang with for more than half a start straight. It's the most fun bike to ride ever and being so rare and on the track makes it unique no matter where I take it. It's a .Very cool bike and I will miss it dearly once sold. I had a few high dollar offers from the VMX boys down under but with its history , I can't let it leaves the states yet, hoping for an American buyer..All reasonable offers considered. It's the only one of these full build BSA weslake conversion bikes most will ever see. And certainly being one of the first ten full builds Rickmans into the USA with documentation holds its place forever in USA MX history dating back to the beginning...My failing health is the only reason I am selling it. I can only hope someone who really appreciates it has the opportunity to enjoy it as much as I have...
Jack mehoff
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8/28/2014 9:21pm
domoguchi wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/27/63677/s1200_image.jpg[/img] Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from...


Rickman MK4 full build BSA with extremely rare Weslake kit 500cc one of the first ten bikes imported into the USA in 1968.... Purchased from the Steens Importer in California. Sat in his showroom for many years prior to me owning it...Rare peice of MX history... This is unrestored and in original condition. Fully documented and original Cycle News article included.
Presently For Sale .
newmann wrote:
Care to share with us dreamers what the asking price is for a jewel like that these days? Just a damn work of art. Seeing someone...
Care to share with us dreamers what the asking price is for a jewel like that these days? Just a damn work of art. Seeing someone who can ride the piss out of one of those is such a treat.
Newman that thing has your name written all over it

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