More Bad News for JS7

GuyB wrote:

What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks? My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule. Years ago...

What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks?

My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule.

Years ago, I did a ride along with the East L.A. Sheriffs mountain bike patrol. In one section of the projects there, they said, "This area is known for heroin use." We came around a corner and they stopped three people. Two of them had track marks. They used one guy as a demo "dummy," showing how they'd shoot in their arms and the damage the drugs would do to the veins there. Then he was pulling the guy's collar aside, and talked about how they'd shoot in their neck...or between their toes.

smeg wrote:

Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large...

Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large enough to get fluids in quickly enough.

BobbyM wrote:

So RV IV at Phoenix is legit?

KTMLew wrote:

One of the best ways to avoid Heat Stroke when doing strenous activity in a hot climate is to HYDRATE! An IV is "forced" hydration. It...

One of the best ways to avoid Heat Stroke when doing strenous activity in a hot climate is to HYDRATE!

An IV is "forced" hydration. It is used as a Prophylactic.

agn5009 wrote:

So why not hydrate like everyone else? Why should he be warranted a pass just because of who he is and how much money he has...

So why not hydrate like everyone else? Why should he be warranted a pass just because of who he is and how much money he has? Do you think the privateers have their own personal nurses back at their trucks ready to inject an IV into them? Just answer the first question please. Don't dance around it and make up excuses, just please answer Why can he not hydrate like everyone else.

KTMLew wrote:

I wasn't supporting either side. Just trying to explain a concept that some seem to struggle with. IF he was getting an IV BETWEEN motos, that...

I wasn't supporting either side. Just trying to explain a concept that some seem to struggle with. IF he was getting an IV BETWEEN motos, that is against the rules. But having a IV AFTER the race is a prophylactic measure.

lestat wrote:

so what happens next ?

GuyB wrote:

I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on. There was no...

I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on.

There was no penalty applied, but James also did miss the second moto at Millville due to being disoriented.

karnivool wrote:

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going...

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going on...which makes this whole thread seem like a pitch and catch for vitards...

in any situation, JS7 has been treated as guilty in all instances before proven that way which is crap, but typical of the world we live in...build people up to tear them down...

Anyone posting this 'information' without a full fact filled press release is just a troll...nothing more...I'll wait for the facts before I pass judgement...

Especially since there is a certain Monster backed rider that failed a test and what have we heard about it? crickets...

it's all bullshit, yes JS7 broke the rule with the TUE...not saying it wasn't broken...but if someone else did as well and we don't have a name to crucify then it's a witch hunt...said it before, still see evidence of it...

karnivool wrote:

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going...

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going on...which makes this whole thread seem like a pitch and catch for vitards...

in any situation, JS7 has been treated as guilty in all instances before proven that way which is crap, but typical of the world we live in...build people up to tear them down...

Anyone posting this 'information' without a full fact filled press release is just a troll...nothing more...I'll wait for the facts before I pass judgement...

Especially since there is a certain Monster backed rider that failed a test and what have we heard about it? crickets...

it's all bullshit, yes JS7 broke the rule with the TUE...not saying it wasn't broken...but if someone else did as well and we don't have a name to crucify then it's a witch hunt...said it before, still see evidence of it...

CR250Rider wrote:

It's pretty silly to make a rule that can't be enforced.

KTMLew wrote:

Composed a long detailed post explained my point...fucking internetz ate it...

MxKing809 wrote:

2.4 INTRAVENOUS HYDRATION At no time during the event may a rider receive any type of intravenous hydration, unless such hydration is deemed medically necessary by...

2.4 INTRAVENOUS HYDRATION

At no time during the event may a rider receive any type of intravenous hydration, unless such hydration is deemed medically necessary by medical personnel as a result of an emergency medical situation (i.e., heat stroke) encountered by the rider during, or as a result of participating in, any practice, qualifier, moto race or other activity in the event.
b. Once a rider receives such hydration during the event, the rider will not be permitted to compete in any further event activities, including but not limited to, any further practice, qualifier, moto race or other activity in the event, unless and until the rider is released by the medical personnel who treated the rider for the specific emergency medical situation at issue.
c. Any rider who receives medical treatment from the event medical director and where such treatment includes the recommendation that the rider be transported to an emergency medical treatment center, said rider shall be prohibited from competing or participating further at that event.

APLMAN99 wrote:

According to the letter of the rule book, you could definitely receive an IV between motos and not be disqualified for the rest of the day...

According to the letter of the rule book, you could definitely receive an IV between motos and not be disqualified for the rest of the day as long as the person treating you is also the person clearing you to ride.

The rule definitely doesn't say that once you hydrate through a vein, you are completely done for the day. It probably should, but it doesn't appear to be written as iron clad as it should be.

MxKing809 wrote:

You're right. When this was discussed during SX with RV I was under the assumption that if an IV took place once the program started you...

You're right. When this was discussed during SX with RV I was under the assumption that if an IV took place once the program started you were done. But the AMA isn't MXSPORTS, so that may be the case in SX not MX.

Sure does create a grey area for MX.

smeg wrote:

Don't think so. According to Doug what was said is...... "someone asked what exactly she does for the Stewarts. He answer was "I give James fluid...

Don't think so. According to Doug what was said is......

"someone asked what exactly she does for the Stewarts. He answer was "I give James fluid IVs between motos and EVERY race."

GuyB wrote:

My version, from an extremely reliable source, didn't specify when they were given. There was also no penalty assessed. To me, that suggests that they lacked...

My version, from an extremely reliable source, didn't specify when they were given. There was also no penalty assessed. To me, that suggests that they lacked evidence to impose one.

If she'd said between motos, I'd guess there would have been a penalty.

bigborefan wrote:

therealjs7 2 days ago So bummed I'm not gonna be at Washougal tomorrow but looking forward to getting healthy and finishing this series fighting for more...

therealjs7
2 days ago
So bummed I'm not gonna be at Washougal tomorrow but looking forward to getting healthy and finishing this series fighting for more wins. It's been a tough couple months for me but through the process I've still enjoyed racing. Not gonna lie, it's taken a huge toll on my body and it shut down on me last Saturday... But as bad as things were, I know it allows us as a team to become stronger. I'll never stop fighting even when there's nothing left, I'll still fight! I wanna thank all my sponsors for supporting me through these hard times. It shows that the people that support me are truly behind their athletes on and off the track and I sincerely thank all of them for that. My family has been with me through this also and I want to say I love you guys very much. My Fans.... I know it's been super hard to understand what's going on and you guys have been in the dark with most of the stuff going on but trust me... if I could speak about it I would but I couldn't and still can't... It's all going to come to light soon and I can't wait to explain what's going on to all of you. Through all this the hardest thing has been the feeling that I let thousand of fans down and it's been really hard on me personally... You guys are what I live and race for so to have the feeling of letting you down has hurt deeply... But I can tell that you guys are still with me and that means a lot! Thank you so much for your support from the bottom of my heart! I love & respect everyone of y'all. Sometimes the strongest people are the ones who love beyond all faults, Cry behind close doors & fight battles no one knows about. James Stewart JS

I don't know which group has more drama, Team Alessi or JSE.

ChrisB10 wrote:

Josh Lichtle dies from heat exhaustion but IV's are still not allowed. Makes sense. As far as James goes lets wait until the info comes out...

Josh Lichtle dies from heat exhaustion but IV's are still not allowed. Makes sense. As far as James goes lets wait until the info comes out before we start playing AMA official.

GuyB wrote:

And people in Indy Cars have died because they hit the wall, got airborne, and tangled with the catch fence...but they still allow those. Josh's situation...

And people in Indy Cars have died because they hit the wall, got airborne, and tangled with the catch fence...but they still allow those.

Josh's situation was obviously a medical issue. Using an IV there is obviously appropriate. I'm not sure how it applies to the rest of the argument, though.

ChrisB10 wrote:

The Indy Car argument makes no sense. It would be like saying Indy car drivers were not allowed to use the Hans Device. If there was...

The Indy Car argument makes no sense. It would be like saying Indy car drivers were not allowed to use the Hans Device. If there was a way to prevent accidents and Indy didn't allow it that would be moronic. Fact: adequate hydration can reduce the affects of heat stroke but MX Sports doesn't allow it. That is ridiculous to me.

karnivool wrote:

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going...

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going on...which makes this whole thread seem like a pitch and catch for vitards...

in any situation, JS7 has been treated as guilty in all instances before proven that way which is crap, but typical of the world we live in...build people up to tear them down...

Anyone posting this 'information' without a full fact filled press release is just a troll...nothing more...I'll wait for the facts before I pass judgement...

Especially since there is a certain Monster backed rider that failed a test and what have we heard about it? crickets...

it's all bullshit, yes JS7 broke the rule with the TUE...not saying it wasn't broken...but if someone else did as well and we don't have a name to crucify then it's a witch hunt...said it before, still see evidence of it...

GuyB wrote:

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect...

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect. So what info do you have? Give me some legit sources.

I think the "Monster-sponsored rider in a Monster-sponsored series" thing is a load of crap. WADA doesn't care about that stuff.

A week or two ago, lots of people here were sure that Cooper Webb had failed his Colorado test. That proved to be incorrect. I think there needs to be some accountability for people who spread these kinds of rumors.

karnivool wrote:

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going...

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going on...which makes this whole thread seem like a pitch and catch for vitards...

in any situation, JS7 has been treated as guilty in all instances before proven that way which is crap, but typical of the world we live in...build people up to tear them down...

Anyone posting this 'information' without a full fact filled press release is just a troll...nothing more...I'll wait for the facts before I pass judgement...

Especially since there is a certain Monster backed rider that failed a test and what have we heard about it? crickets...

it's all bullshit, yes JS7 broke the rule with the TUE...not saying it wasn't broken...but if someone else did as well and we don't have a name to crucify then it's a witch hunt...said it before, still see evidence of it...

GuyB wrote:

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect...

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect. So what info do you have? Give me some legit sources.

I think the "Monster-sponsored rider in a Monster-sponsored series" thing is a load of crap. WADA doesn't care about that stuff.

A week or two ago, lots of people here were sure that Cooper Webb had failed his Colorado test. That proved to be incorrect. I think there needs to be some accountability for people who spread these kinds of rumors.

karnivool wrote:

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going...

hmmm...did you see the instagram post JS7 put out yesterday? He seemed like he was 'anxious' to fill every one in on what has been going on...which makes this whole thread seem like a pitch and catch for vitards...

in any situation, JS7 has been treated as guilty in all instances before proven that way which is crap, but typical of the world we live in...build people up to tear them down...

Anyone posting this 'information' without a full fact filled press release is just a troll...nothing more...I'll wait for the facts before I pass judgement...

Especially since there is a certain Monster backed rider that failed a test and what have we heard about it? crickets...

it's all bullshit, yes JS7 broke the rule with the TUE...not saying it wasn't broken...but if someone else did as well and we don't have a name to crucify then it's a witch hunt...said it before, still see evidence of it...

GuyB wrote:

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect...

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect. So what info do you have? Give me some legit sources.

I think the "Monster-sponsored rider in a Monster-sponsored series" thing is a load of crap. WADA doesn't care about that stuff.

A week or two ago, lots of people here were sure that Cooper Webb had failed his Colorado test. That proved to be incorrect. I think there needs to be some accountability for people who spread these kinds of rumors.

zook11 wrote:

Where you at karnitool?

mxdude105 wrote:

I really wish we had never started this testing. What has it accomplished except to ruin the season of one of our best riders, perhaps tarnishing...

I really wish we had never started this testing. What has it accomplished except to ruin the season of one of our best riders, perhaps tarnishing his legacy forever? Steve Cox I believe posted a great letter to this same effect a couple weeks ago and he was 100% spot on.

Camp332 wrote:

Damn! I definitely respect all those dudes out there battling every weekend, but they all have to follow the rules. Thanks for sharing the info Otis...

Damn! I definitely respect all those dudes out there battling every weekend, but they all have to follow the rules.

Thanks for sharing the info Otis Redding.

mxdude105 wrote:

I really wish we had never started this testing. What has it accomplished except to ruin the season of one of our best riders, perhaps tarnishing...

I really wish we had never started this testing. What has it accomplished except to ruin the season of one of our best riders, perhaps tarnishing his legacy forever? Steve Cox I believe posted a great letter to this same effect a couple weeks ago and he was 100% spot on.

bigborefan wrote:

therealjs7 2 days ago So bummed I'm not gonna be at Washougal tomorrow but looking forward to getting healthy and finishing this series fighting for more...

therealjs7
2 days ago
So bummed I'm not gonna be at Washougal tomorrow but looking forward to getting healthy and finishing this series fighting for more wins. It's been a tough couple months for me but through the process I've still enjoyed racing. Not gonna lie, it's taken a huge toll on my body and it shut down on me last Saturday... But as bad as things were, I know it allows us as a team to become stronger. I'll never stop fighting even when there's nothing left, I'll still fight! I wanna thank all my sponsors for supporting me through these hard times. It shows that the people that support me are truly behind their athletes on and off the track and I sincerely thank all of them for that. My family has been with me through this also and I want to say I love you guys very much. My Fans.... I know it's been super hard to understand what's going on and you guys have been in the dark with most of the stuff going on but trust me... if I could speak about it I would but I couldn't and still can't... It's all going to come to light soon and I can't wait to explain what's going on to all of you. Through all this the hardest thing has been the feeling that I let thousand of fans down and it's been really hard on me personally... You guys are what I live and race for so to have the feeling of letting you down has hurt deeply... But I can tell that you guys are still with me and that means a lot! Thank you so much for your support from the bottom of my heart! I love & respect everyone of y'all. Sometimes the strongest people are the ones who love beyond all faults, Cry behind close doors & fight battles no one knows about. James Stewart JS

I don't know which group has more drama, Team Alessi or JSE.

GuyB wrote:

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect...

Okay, Karnivool, fill me in on when and where RV failed a test. I keep hearing this one, and as far as I know, it's incorrect. So what info do you have? Give me some legit sources.

I think the "Monster-sponsored rider in a Monster-sponsored series" thing is a load of crap. WADA doesn't care about that stuff.

A week or two ago, lots of people here were sure that Cooper Webb had failed his Colorado test. That proved to be incorrect. I think there needs to be some accountability for people who spread these kinds of rumors.

zook11 wrote:

Where you at karnitool?

MxKing809 wrote:

This happens all the time unfortunately. A friend of a friend was wrongfully accused of rape. The local newspaper posted a huge picture and story on...

This happens all the time unfortunately.

A friend of a friend was wrongfully accused of rape. The local newspaper posted a huge picture and story on the front page detailing the alleged crime. After the trial, when the woman admitted it was consensual, the news paper ran an amendment to the original story on page 6. The guy will never shake it. That's what is happening here.

If you throw out wild accusations and mislead the masses, and later just say 'oh well, guess I wasn't right'.... the damage is done and you cant fix it.