More Bad News for JS7

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fI often wonder how our country got into all the trouble it currently finds itself in. Then I come here and understand. Half of the population runs around like sheep and makes excuses for poor judgement and stupidity.
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fI often wonder how our country got into all the trouble it currently finds itself in. Then I come here and understand. Half of the population...
fI often wonder how our country got into all the trouble it currently finds itself in. Then I come here and understand. Half of the population runs around like sheep and makes excuses for poor judgement and stupidity.
You will called a racist or hater soon, wait for it.
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7/30/2014 8:52am Edited Date/Time 7/30/2014 9:43am
I wouldn't say 15 pages of nothing.

What do we know about team JSE?

James' WADA sample was positive for amphetamines. That's a known known.

The drug was Adderall. This is not 100% known, this is only an assumption. JSE has not confirmed or denied it was Adderall. They have merely said the drug found was being prescribed for him. Team JSE failed to file a TUE.

The wheels came off of the JSE race program after the announcement of the positive test. This is a known known.

There may be a fine/penalty from the FIM, there might not be a fine/penalty from the FIM. Time will tell.

Two things happened/allegedly happened at Millville.

James didn't come to the gate after the red flag in Moto 2.

Team JSE said he was dizzy/disoriented.

There are conflicting reports of him crashing in the whoops.

James returned to his motor home, not the team hauler. This is not confirmed.

No media interviews at Millville. A known known.

A nurse was turned away trying to gain access to the pro pits. She allegedly said she was there to give James IVs between motos. This is not confirmed, but it has traction.

JES skipped Washougal.

James Instargramed that he would like to put out a statement, but he cant just yet, but will in due time. A known known.

I'd say that is a truck load of goodies to discuss about team JSE.

Maybe the JSE fan boys take it to an extreme and are blind to any JSE infractions.

And the JSE "haters" may go the opposite way and hang the guy out for the smallest infraction.

And Vital is an internet forum, where we can discuss all things moto, is it not? We are not saving the world here guys. It's all in good fun.

Also it's not like the 450 Big Four, Roczen, Dungey, Tomac, and Canard are giving us any items to discuss. What's the big story there. Roczen is shuffling back in the second half?

Talk amongst yourselves.





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stantdm wrote:
fI often wonder how our country got into all the trouble it currently finds itself in. Then I come here and understand. Half of the population...
fI often wonder how our country got into all the trouble it currently finds itself in. Then I come here and understand. Half of the population runs around like sheep and makes excuses for poor judgement and stupidity.
mxb2 wrote:
You will called a racist or hater soon, wait for it.
Unfortunately you are probably right. Not a problem though since I know I am not a racist and I don't hate JS, just the poor decisions he makes.

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Its strange that said nurse just didn't pick up her cell phone and make a call to the team. If she was being paid, traveling with or whatever. She would have had contact info for someone..Kind of seems like it would have solved the whole credentials problem.
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7/31/2014 1:18am
bigborefan, what are the unknown knowns?
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tomsti wrote:
Its strange that said nurse just didn't pick up her cell phone and make a call to the team. If she was being paid, traveling with...
Its strange that said nurse just didn't pick up her cell phone and make a call to the team. If she was being paid, traveling with or whatever. She would have had contact info for someone..Kind of seems like it would have solved the whole credentials problem.
Does seem strange that on such a contentious issue the team would employ someone from outside of their "inner circle" to administer IV's?
7/31/2014 6:32am Edited Date/Time 7/31/2014 6:33am
bigborefan wrote:
I wouldn't say 15 pages of nothing. What do we know about team JSE? James' WADA sample was positive for amphetamines. That's a known known. The...
I wouldn't say 15 pages of nothing.

What do we know about team JSE?

James' WADA sample was positive for amphetamines. That's a known known.

The drug was Adderall. This is not 100% known, this is only an assumption. JSE has not confirmed or denied it was Adderall. They have merely said the drug found was being prescribed for him. Team JSE failed to file a TUE.

The wheels came off of the JSE race program after the announcement of the positive test. This is a known known.

There may be a fine/penalty from the FIM, there might not be a fine/penalty from the FIM. Time will tell.

Two things happened/allegedly happened at Millville.

James didn't come to the gate after the red flag in Moto 2.

Team JSE said he was dizzy/disoriented.

There are conflicting reports of him crashing in the whoops.

James returned to his motor home, not the team hauler. This is not confirmed.

No media interviews at Millville. A known known.

A nurse was turned away trying to gain access to the pro pits. She allegedly said she was there to give James IVs between motos. This is not confirmed, but it has traction.

JES skipped Washougal.

James Instargramed that he would like to put out a statement, but he cant just yet, but will in due time. A known known.

I'd say that is a truck load of goodies to discuss about team JSE.

Maybe the JSE fan boys take it to an extreme and are blind to any JSE infractions.

And the JSE "haters" may go the opposite way and hang the guy out for the smallest infraction.

And Vital is an internet forum, where we can discuss all things moto, is it not? We are not saving the world here guys. It's all in good fun.

Also it's not like the 450 Big Four, Roczen, Dungey, Tomac, and Canard are giving us any items to discuss. What's the big story there. Roczen is shuffling back in the second half?

Talk amongst yourselves.





You said: "A nurse was turned away trying to gain access to the pro pits. She allegedly said she was there to give James IVs between motos. This is not confirmed, but it has traction."

In all the accounts I heard (Pulp etc.) nobody said "between motos." The question is whether it was between or after.

Is that your personal embellishment or have I missed something?
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enketchum wrote:
bigborefan, what are the unknown knowns?
Unknown to me!

Maybe Rummy knows.
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You said: "A nurse was turned away trying to gain access to the pro pits.[b] She allegedly said she was there to give James IVs between...
You said: "A nurse was turned away trying to gain access to the pro pits. She allegedly said she was there to give James IVs between motos. This is not confirmed, but it has traction."

In all the accounts I heard (Pulp etc.) nobody said "between motos." The question is whether it was between or after.

Is that your personal embellishment or have I missed something?
Just an oversight, I am no lawyer.
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7/31/2014 3:23pm
tomsti wrote:
Its strange that said nurse just didn't pick up her cell phone and make a call to the team. If she was being paid, traveling with...
Its strange that said nurse just didn't pick up her cell phone and make a call to the team. If she was being paid, traveling with or whatever. She would have had contact info for someone..Kind of seems like it would have solved the whole credentials problem.
Millville has very poor cell reception, unless you're an AT&T customer.
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Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and...
Just like everyone else, I can't divulge my resource, but I can tell you this same resource told me about RV missing outdoors, knee surgery and his retirement well before I read it as rumor on Vital....so he has credibility. All though now, RV is actually considering the GPs in Europe. So, there's a lot more he's said, that i haven't read on Vital, but I'll wait to see if that plays out.

Anyway, also don't know if this is a re-post and i'm 99.99% sure DC is aware of it, but he has a business to run so this post may be deleted before it gets traction. Also, Steve Matthes is aware.

Apparently the Stewart family has a "private" / secret nurse at each race. She lost or forgot her credential at Washougal and when she requested a temporary credential, someone asked what exactly she does for the Stewarts. He answer was "I give James fluid IVs between motos at EVERY race."

Shit storm ensues...

Guess we'll see how it all plays out.
FWIW, I heard this rumor last week from my Parts Unlimited rep.
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AFUCKINGMAZING!!
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7/31/2014 8:47pm Edited Date/Time 7/31/2014 8:48pm
Did I miss the part where the acronym JSE was explained? I guess I don't get the 'E' on the end?
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The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems fictional, especially with the timing of it. Really, what are the odds that a few weeks later, a lady tries to get in without credentials, and just admits she is JS nurse and gives him IV's? Nobody walked to his rig to look into it? I'm not saying it didn't happen but it is just unbelievable.
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7/31/2014 8:53pm Edited Date/Time 7/31/2014 8:54pm
Pembroke36 wrote:
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems...
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems fictional, especially with the timing of it. Really, what are the odds that a few weeks later, a lady tries to get in without credentials, and just admits she is JS nurse and gives him IV's? Nobody walked to his rig to look into it? I'm not saying it didn't happen but it is just unbelievable.
They may have asked, put him or his crew on the spot.... But deny deny deny! Burden of proof falls on the accuser. It's definitely not fictitious though. On the WADA test.... Has there been any official statement regarding TUE's or is it's just generally accepted as the truth? I know that's the JS7 story, but come on.... What's he supposed to say?
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7/31/2014 8:56pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Did I miss the part where the acronym JSE was explained? I guess I don't get the 'E' on the end?
"James Stewart Entertainment"
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7/31/2014 8:57pm
Pembroke36 wrote:
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems...
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems fictional, especially with the timing of it. Really, what are the odds that a few weeks later, a lady tries to get in without credentials, and just admits she is JS nurse and gives him IV's? Nobody walked to his rig to look into it? I'm not saying it didn't happen but it is just unbelievable.
MxKing809 wrote:
They may have asked, put him or his crew on the spot.... But deny deny deny! Burden of proof falls on the accuser. It's definitely not...
They may have asked, put him or his crew on the spot.... But deny deny deny! Burden of proof falls on the accuser. It's definitely not fictitious though. On the WADA test.... Has there been any official statement regarding TUE's or is it's just generally accepted as the truth? I know that's the JS7 story, but come on.... What's he supposed to say?
I'm not denying that it happened, seems there were enough witnesses to prove that. I just meant it seems unreal. Nailed twice in a few weeks after all the years of racing.
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Pembroke36 wrote:
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems...
The WADA thing looks bad as we all know. It was a real test with a real failed result. But this story with the nurse seems fictional, especially with the timing of it. Really, what are the odds that a few weeks later, a lady tries to get in without credentials, and just admits she is JS nurse and gives him IV's? Nobody walked to his rig to look into it? I'm not saying it didn't happen but it is just unbelievable.
MxKing809 wrote:
They may have asked, put him or his crew on the spot.... But deny deny deny! Burden of proof falls on the accuser. It's definitely not...
They may have asked, put him or his crew on the spot.... But deny deny deny! Burden of proof falls on the accuser. It's definitely not fictitious though. On the WADA test.... Has there been any official statement regarding TUE's or is it's just generally accepted as the truth? I know that's the JS7 story, but come on.... What's he supposed to say?
Pembroke36 wrote:
I'm not denying that it happened, seems there were enough witnesses to prove that. I just meant it seems unreal. Nailed twice in a few weeks...
I'm not denying that it happened, seems there were enough witnesses to prove that. I just meant it seems unreal. Nailed twice in a few weeks after all the years of racing.
Yeah, bum luck for sure. When it rains, it pours.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Did I miss the part where the acronym JSE was explained? I guess I don't get the 'E' on the end?
Xeno wrote:
"James Stewart Entertainment"
10-4!

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