2014 yz 250 issues

NESC98
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Edited Date/Time 1/11/2015 12:18pm
Hey guys I have a 2014 yz 250 stock except pro circuit pipe and silencer. Bike has less then 2 hours on it. Riding today bike fine for about 10 min then starts breaking up cutting in and out almost like back firing. Get the bike home start it again put it in gear goes in reverse any ideas? Thanks!
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2/2/2014 8:10pm
sounds like the timing needs to be advanced, Check the keyway on the flywheel if its still there or not.
nytsmaC
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2/3/2014 11:52am
Haven't heard of that happening on a modern bike!
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Fantasy
2/3/2014 7:49pm
Also, take the tank off and pull all the wire connectors. Spray them out with contact cleaner and then air. Then lube them with dielectric grease and put them back together. Have heard of some guys having YZ250's cutting out from dirt or corrosion in these on fairly new bikes. Don't forget the two connectors by the carb for the TPS and powerjet.
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2/3/2014 9:18pm
The bike goes in reverse? Like moves backwards? Werid, timing/electrical issue, maybe some weird transmission malfunction, no clue. The cutting out after 10 minutes sounds like a heat/lean jetting issue, but dunno what to tell you about your bike going backwards. I'd ask Yamaha for my money back.

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bd
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2/4/2014 1:07am
Doesn't Yamaha have a 30 day warranty?
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2/4/2014 1:34pm
It is possible for the motor to start in reverse. If it backfired when you were starting it the crank can get kicked in the wrong direction. I would pull the bowl off the the carb and make sure its clean. I did set up at a dealer for a few years, and I have seen bike come out of the create with a dirty carb from left over fuel from the factory. Like FGR01 said check your electrical connections as well.
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2/4/2014 4:29pm
The 2 stroke engine can and will run in reverse if the timing is off a good bit. Broken crank key will do it and I have seen this if the engine is have pre-ignition issues, like from really low octane or very old fuel.
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2/5/2014 2:31am
I have had a bike run in reverse before.. check your spark plug first and make sure it is tight and not fouled before you go to the expensive potential cause. check your electrical connections under the tank.
Benton713
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2/5/2014 4:56am
I had same problem mine did not go backwards though is was a jetting issue along with main harness melting.
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2/5/2014 9:48am
These bikes were not built to run in reverse! DO NOT RUN BIKE IN REVERSE! lol I'm surprised the cases didnt crack or something.
YamaLink
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2/5/2014 1:22pm
As others have stated: reverse = crank key. Anyway, did you figure it out or take to dealer and what'd they say?
NESC98
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2/5/2014 4:00pm
Dealer will not do a thing I called 2 different times got 2 different people and neither will do a thing about it to me that's wrong with only a hour and a half or so on the bike!!
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2/5/2014 8:28pm
NESC98 wrote:
Dealer will not do a thing I called 2 different times got 2 different people and neither will do a thing about it to me that's...
Dealer will not do a thing I called 2 different times got 2 different people and neither will do a thing about it to me that's wrong with only a hour and a half or so on the bike!!
How many day have you had it? Call Yamaha - FUCK your dealer.
NESC98
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2/6/2014 10:26am
Got it right before thanksgiving ridden it twice
captmoto
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2/6/2014 10:44am
So just pull the ign. cover and pull the flywheel. You should be able to get a puller for $12-$15. You will know if the woodruff key sheared. Try a little troubleshooting and then contact the dealer or Yamaha.
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2/8/2014 4:28am
Yeah, get your Yanaha reps number from your dealer or another local dealer and go right to him.

We had an 03 CR125 that would eat chain sliders in one ride. We called our Honda rep and met him with the bike at he dealership. He took a bunch of frame measurement and said everything looked good chain wise. Long story short Honda took back our bike mid season and gave us a brand new one.
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2/8/2014 8:27am
these bikes are solid as you can get , luv this new engine , with my cams and head work were cracking some big numbers on it . #222 howell bike is one to watch
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2/8/2014 10:24am
enginedr wrote:
these bikes are solid as you can get , luv this new engine , with my cams and head work were cracking some big numbers on...
these bikes are solid as you can get , luv this new engine , with my cams and head work were cracking some big numbers on it . #222 howell bike is one to watch
No doubt you build some quality camshafts, just not sure how you got them working in a 2-stroke... Laughing
2/8/2014 1:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/8/2014 2:22pm
Flywheels / rotors are not secured by the crank key. The key merely orients the flywheel / rotor on the crank in the proper location. It is the taper on the crank end and inside the flywheel that actually keeps it in place.

That is why you generally hear a "pop" when you use a puller to remove the flywheel / rotor, as it comes off the taper.

Have seen many keyless race ignitions over the years. It is taper that keeps things in place.

If the flywheel nut was not torqued correctly, the flywheel could have lost it's seat on the taper, sheared the key, and lost timing orientation. Usually ,when that happens, they slip far enough that the bike will quit running.

Once saw my brother dick around with changing ignitions on his Shell 250 Yamaha flat track bike. When installing the flywheel, the key slid out of it's groove as the flywheel was slid on. At that point ,it was hard to see what had happened. Torqued the flywheel down, fired it off, and went out for a heat race. The flywheel had slipped ever so slightly, retarding the timing.

A normally clean running, fast bike, it acted like someone put a #500 main jet in it. It would never clean out and rev. Needless to say, FT race programs run fairly quick, and we did not trouble shoot it quick enough to make the semi.

The old piston port models from way back would occasionally run backwards. Usually advanced timing made them more prone to this.

Check the timing with a dial indicator. Once initial timing is set to spec, the CDI unit is what determines full ignition timing advance.
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2/9/2014 8:43am
enginedr wrote:
these bikes are solid as you can get , luv this new engine , with my cams and head work were cracking some big numbers on...
these bikes are solid as you can get , luv this new engine , with my cams and head work were cracking some big numbers on it . #222 howell bike is one to watch
they still sell 2 strokes ? ... I do like " otto cycle arrangement
NESC98
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2/9/2014 6:44pm
So had my local guy not a Yamaha shop look at it..not one Yamaha dealer would touch the bike period told me to bring it back to where I got it which they wanted nothing to do with the situation. So we drain the gas go through the carb check the reeds check the timing. Everything is fine check compression it's perfect start it up still running like complete crap no reverse this time. Only logical thing is the Cdi box now has anyone ever had one go bad after a hour and a half??
2/10/2014 8:08am
NESC98 wrote:
So had my local guy not a Yamaha shop look at it..not one Yamaha dealer would touch the bike period told me to bring it back...
So had my local guy not a Yamaha shop look at it..not one Yamaha dealer would touch the bike period told me to bring it back to where I got it which they wanted nothing to do with the situation. So we drain the gas go through the carb check the reeds check the timing. Everything is fine check compression it's perfect start it up still running like complete crap no reverse this time. Only logical thing is the Cdi box now has anyone ever had one go bad after a hour and a half??
Because it ran in reverse one time does not mean it will run in reverse every time.
So did you even check the flywheel location like so many advised?
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NESC98
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2/10/2014 1:08pm
Yes everything with the fly wheel and timing was correct still running like junk
Eddie_E
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2/10/2014 1:19pm
Call Pete's cycle and sled in Hudson, MA. He might have the ability to test the CDI issue with an 11' or 12' CDI.
6/15/2014 5:16pm
NESC98 wrote:
Dealer will not do a thing I called 2 different times got 2 different people and neither will do a thing about it to me that's...
Dealer will not do a thing I called 2 different times got 2 different people and neither will do a thing about it to me that's wrong with only a hour and a half or so on the bike!!
hey I have a 2014 also its doing to same thing sometimes runs great then all the sudden runs like complete shit. Did you ever figure out whats wrong with it? any help would be appreciated.
6/16/2014 6:40pm
I got a 2014, so I'm all eyes on this one. Would love to hear what you find.

Mine is running fine, but I did do a full timing check and installed a GYTR flywheel before I ever rode it.
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6/18/2014 6:06am
Check the YPVS govenor the dowel pin that holds it together fell out on my 2013 YZ250 sometimes it would run alright other times it would backfire and run like crap
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6/18/2014 3:09pm
Yz250's in general are know to detonation issues right from the factory. It will damage the piston edges and can cause preignition and thus make the engine run backwards. The only real fix is to have the head squash band relieved a few thousands of an inch.
You need to check you piston edges for pitting.
Also, low fuel octane or old fuel mix will cause this on YZ250's.
This issue has been around for years.

Paw Paw
6/18/2014 8:33pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2014 8:34pm
I would go with what Paw said. The only other thing to check is the solenoid on the carb or even the neutral switch (not likely but couldn't hurt to check those off).

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