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The current structure of taking the top 9 riders from heats leads to really boring racing in heats after the start. There is no reason a factory rider making millions of dollars should coast in 5th-8th place in a heat race because they are in qualifying position. After the start and things settle, it's mostly about qualifying position. Nobody wants to take a chance.
Back in the day the top 4 transferred from heats, then the top 5 from semis and then two from the LCQ. This meant the stars were on the track a lot more than now, racing harder. They went at it in heats to avoid having to race again. What am I missing here?
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I thought the semis were super boring. Only the top 5 raced hard, and if a top guy got a bad start they coasted and saved themselves for the next race.
Top 9 is awesome,leads to more exciting racing.
Those who like triple crowns i think would love the racing with semis, many gatedrops and actual racing (with racers of the same ”lesser” capacity) actually race to get to the main. I know it will probably make the whole raceday/nightshow longer (with more track maintenance) and the trend is racedays are to long already, free practice taken away.
They would still race for gate pick in those semis…
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With the amount of scary ass crashes and injuries this year already the last thing we need is harder racing and more gatedrops.
Hard racing, not dirty…
Since we got start maps, holeshot devices and startgrates etc, start/first turn and first lap crashes has multiplied, no separation. Ban this!
What about take 4 from the heat and 9 from the LCQ? lol
Where'd they go?
Lmaoooo 😂. This is pure gold scrolling @bedtime.
I think they had to chop them for tv time? After they did away with the open practice and trimming things for tv I can’t see them coming back. Personally I loved the semi races especially when a top guy in points had to deal with one.
Lmao you miss the entire point of why people like triple crowns. Semis is basically a second lcq. Even more pointless drawn out qualifying.
Triple crowns aren’t just “more racing” it’s actual racing for championship with all the top guys facing off. The thing we actually want to see.
Heat races, semis, and lcqs are half the top guys, then almost nobody we care about, and then literally nobody any one cares about besides the carnage of the last turn that the monster jam fans among us love
Because who the hell wants even more drawn out program just for gate picks that literally don’t matter anyway….we could add 50 more commercials and down time just to get through 4 heats, then 2 semis, then 2 lcqs then finally to the mains the literally only racing of the night. Everything before is qualifying… they have a 3 hour race day live program of qualifying and then 2 out of 3 hours of the traditional format is also qualifying when you get down to it.
Triple crowns uses qualifying - imagine this, for qualifying, and then the night program - ready for it? Is for racing.
When they bought Semis back about 10 years ago I thought it was a good idea, but it turned out to be pretty underwhelming. The racing was never really that intense and it just made the track more hammered and left less time for track maintenance.
Semis are a horrible idea. I have a hard time getting my family to understand why 2/3 of the night show doesn’t matter at all. Why would we want more of that?
My exact thoughts
Third option need for the poll - trash the sx format for good and make it moto format or triple crown format.
Make the racing actual racing and not qualifying for gate pick. Make qualifying - qualifying.
This isn't the worst idea I've ever heard. I remember when the nationals went from two days to one folks were up in arms.... until it turned out the riders, and teams preferred it.
I'd also add, does anyone make the main out of C qualifying? If not, do we still need it?
Interesting question about c in qualifying. I’d guess no, because as far as I can remember maybe 1-3 make it out of the b classes and even that’s rare generally it’s only when someone ends up in b who really doesn’t even belong there and is 2-5 seconds faster than the next closest in b. If almost nobody makes it from b I can’t imagine anyone gets in from c. I’m sure someone will pull a stat from 07 as if it’s a common occurrence .
People have this wildly fond affection to the nobodys, but what about the privateers? It’s like the Simpsons, but think of the children meme!!
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Pay at least some points in the heat races.
I always thought this is good idea….
The majority of fans in the seats and at home watching the feed want to see the top riders race and care little for anyone else (not the lower qualifier riders.) This is why the triple crown format is so popular with the masses and Feld has kept the format. Reinstituting the semi race format is a step backwards. Make all the races triple or double crown and each weekend is triple or double as exciting.
You guys are sooooo close to the right answer!! It’s almost like how they are now they are nearly pointless! Almost as if , they could be replaced with actual racing that mattered…almost as if the Mx format or triple crown format….
What they could do if they still want one single main event while trying to make the racing better for the fans ;
2 Heats - top 3 to the main.
2 LCQs - top 8 to the main.
That way the top riders will try and make it in the top 3...then in the LCQs we still see factory riders and guys like Savatgy.
Savatgy has been getting very good results all year and some privateers who havent made mains got more TV time than him because they were in a qualifying position in the LCQ at some point...
The semis were boring and a waste of time. There was more racing I guess, but not better racing. The format now seems to work and it moves things along much better. Plus, the track maintenance was taking more time and if you were at the event, it was painful to just sit there while they repaired the track several times waiting for the next race. I think it had more to do with the maintenance of the track than anything else for ditching the semis.
It was mostly because when they went to timed mains, the track wasn't holding up.
We're forgetting that a lot of the 450 mains were like 12 minutes long
The great minds of moto say the old format is too complicated for the TV audience (and too long)🤣
It’s too fucking pointless no need to sugar coat it. We want to watch actual racing not gate pick qualifying for 2 hours TG.
i like the way it is now, I also liked the way it was .With that being said, you would only have 13 riders in the semis this weekend if the old format was to return. I dont think we have enough racers to return to running semis, but having fewer racers on the track will make it easier for the casual fan to follow the action. Is it possible to be in favor of the way it was and the way it is now???
I'm also indifferent to semis. If it takes away from track maintenance for the main though, I would say no.
Don't follow your 13 riders in the semis comment... Are you assuming 9 riders would still qualify from each heat? As long as we have 40 riders in the night show I don't think this is accurate.
"There is no reason a factory rider making millions of dollars should coast in 5th-8th place in a heat race because they are in qualifying position. After the start and things settle, it's mostly about qualifying position. Nobody wants to take a chance."
is this really a thing? Hard to imagine it happens regularly with top notch competitors. 🤷♂️
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