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https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/country-trucker-titan-c-w-mccall-bil… Why yes, I am old. We got ourselves a Convoy.

Didn't want to totally derail the other thread, although I'm not really sure what the topic is, but this video is probably Jordan at his top level before he had his health issues. The interviewer is tough but has a streak of fairness in her. It's a long video but you get a good sense of how carefully he chooses his words and thinks things through. If you challenge him in his field, psychology, you better have your shit together. If you are really into tedium and intellectual banter, watch his debates with Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty.