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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 3:33pm This chain is doing so much more than I had expected. I love the conversation going on here. I didn't realize how many people trained by heart rate in the moto industry, even if it is a crossover from running. Thank you all for contributing to this and adding in your own experiences. After I have run 3 marathons, I...
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OwenJakes Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 3:28pm I had such a thick skull and ego with my training until late last year. I used to YOLO every session "cause I got that dawg in me" and once I started forcing myself to follow some better training principles every metric that matters improved radically and immediately. If I could put it in a sentence: Zone 2 training is what enables, empowers, and improves all of the other areas of exertion. That is what I perceive and understand the data to point towards and exactly what I have experienced in my own work.
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whateversclever69 Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 3:25pm Moto is high intensity work. People riding once a week are doing high intensity that day 80/20 split is what most trainers recommend. Running zone 2 4 times a week and riding once is 80/20.
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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 3:25pm The mentality aspect of the sport is one I don't hear talked about very much. Thank you for sharing this!
TheMilkman Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 3:24pm The "RAW METHOD" didn't appear overnight, but is the result of over 20 years of research by one of the leading experts in the field of mental conditioning. RAW is based on a physical and mental relaxation process in combination with positive information. This confidence building info, which includes all the benefits previously mentioned, forms the proper attitude and a frame of mind that allows you to realize your true potential-you're the best!
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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 5:03am That is ultimately what it is all about, having fun and enjoying the process. Rigid structure is hard to follow especially if you are working a bunch of hours and being an athlete isn't your job. Being consistently good will be the occasional great any day. I build both (rigid or flexible schedules) depending on what the athlete's goals and...
jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 4:58am That's awesome man and it looks like you have found a system that works for you. Being able to hit that high of intensity so frequently is impressive, props to you. From my perspective, for an average athlete/racer, to jump into that high of intensity right away would probably lead to their central nervous system to be fried (severe fatigue)...
jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 4:44am I've never heard of this before!! Tell me more
cwtoyota Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/12/2026 4:39am Not everyone needs a bunch of zone 2 or rigid structure... Sure, if it's your job to be an athlete, that's the way to make the most of your career, but I do this shit for fun! Consistent and dedicated, but semi-random is working well for me. I get out as often as I can, eat healthy, recover as needed, and never make excuses. For a guy in my mid 40's, my fitness is excellent and I'm crushing the fun category. https://www.strava.com/athletes/108775266
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OwenJakes Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/10/2026 11:06am Dude not great honestly idk if I want to turn it into a shop or a storage facility. I need space but I also want a sweet containment zone for all things 2 wheels. I’ll keep you posted😂
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OwenJakes Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/10/2026 11:06am Nope you just had terrible running economy and low adaptation. Keep working at it and you’ll be golden. I’m 217 as of this morning (and still gaining) and can run 9:00 miles around 130-135 bpm. VO2 max is good but it’s mostly a flex. Most athletes don’t know what to do with it. Think: getting smoked at Nurburgring by some cat in a Miata that just is a better driver.
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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 5:49pm Laughter helps you live longer! Appreciate you engaging and finding some humor in all of this hahaha
Lillefty27 Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 5:47pm Get this AI bullish*t out of here. If you’re here to solicit your online training website, at least do it yourself instead of using the dam robot.
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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 5:47pm Fair call, in the manner that I use AI to help consolidate my thoughts so I don't ramble. I help athletes find direction and look at data of athletes to build systems that they can succeed in. I am in fact real and the methods are sound. You don't have to click the link that I provided. It is only...
jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:57pm Most of my background is in the grand prix/desert space. I love the longer races and also love a good moto sprint. If you haven't tried out NGPC, they have some good races! Also, Dirt Diggers MC throws a race out at Taft every year that you should check out
kylemenz1 Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:53pm I personally enjoy really long motos. Problem in most local races are 5 laps. At my age and ability training and racing sprint races aren’t the best idea. Local racing in Southern California they’re 2 clubs that have long motos. SRA GP’s and VET MX have longer motos where endurance wins out over sprint speed.
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jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:52pm The key to lasting in any sport is not hating your training. That is a great point and again, another point to why zone 2 can be a benefit
jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:49pm I already wrote this in response to 3strokemx and I thought I'd paste the same response here. I'd be happy to help any questions you have and/or engage in productive conversation: Hi nice to meet you, my name is James. Been racing off road and moto since I was about 10 years old. I am now 26. After winning a...
jamesclark Added a reply to Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:42pm I think of it more as an average. My zone 2 is 119 - 132 but I sometimes creep up to 135 during those runs, which is due to a hill or the temperature. Then I slow down and control it back into the zone.
aees Liked a reply to forum topic Why you are fading at the 15-minute mark (and the problem with your off-bike training)
5/9/2026 3:40pm If possible, get an e-bike if you want to have the z2 effect and still climp. Going into z3 on climbs ruins the whole z2 session. Also why Z2 shall be minimum 1h, preferably 2. Slow twitch is slow to develop. Recruiting fast twitch, "disconnects" slow twitch and you have to start over. It's not exactly the science, but simplified
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