How long until we start seeing resale Starks in the $5K-$7K range?

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From what I can see so far, the resale market is pretty high still. Granted they haven’t been selling them for 50 years like the conventional bikes, but I thought that there might be a decent percentage of buyers who just didn’t like them and wanted to dump them after 6 months or a year. 

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davis224
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Probably another year or two. There's one floating around on FB for $4k that needs a battery, so one could probably get a functional bike under $7k.

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My buddy has one that is bricked right now after an update, not taking charge now. He thinks it needs a new battery and he said it's about 5k canadian. not sure if true or not.

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I saw one on Facebook for about 7k a few months ago.

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People don’t typically dump a bike that is 6 months to a year old for half price, but I’m waiting as my son is really interested.  Can’t justify paying much more than half price right now as it’ll sit quite a bit due to his busy schedule. 

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IMG 4412 9IMG 3615 12I have one of mine for sale right now. It's a 2024 with about 24 hrs 19" rear wheel with footbrake. I bought two new at the same time. I did that to solve the range problem, burn one down and just jump on the other. I realized if I charge it between motos on my regular 110v motorhome genie I have plenty of power to make it through the day. I raced the Vet MX in Boise in September. 2 day event: Saturday is 1-15 minute practice session and 3-20 minute motos Sunday is 1-15 minute practice session and 2-20 minute motos. I was never low on battery life as long as I charge after each session or moto. So I realized I don't need two. IMG 6665 1

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I have one of mine for sale right now. It's a 2024 with about 24 hrs 19" rear wheel with footbrake. I bought two new at...

IMG 4412 9IMG 3615 12I have one of mine for sale right now. It's a 2024 with about 24 hrs 19" rear wheel with footbrake. I bought two new at the same time. I did that to solve the range problem, burn one down and just jump on the other. I realized if I charge it between motos on my regular 110v motorhome genie I have plenty of power to make it through the day. I raced the Vet MX in Boise in September. 2 day event: Saturday is 1-15 minute practice session and 3-20 minute motos Sunday is 1-15 minute practice session and 2-20 minute motos. I was never low on battery life as long as I charge after each session or moto. So I realized I don't need two. IMG 6665 1

My internet keeps locking up and couldn't post more pics. It's the red one. I am asking $8,000. I've had offers in the $7600 range. But they are marketplace offers aka retardville...

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Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being said ill sell you mine so I can go buy a new one haha. 

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On France largest website for second hand (Leboncoin) I see guys willing to sell their 25 or 26 450s for 7k€ or trading it against a Varg, haven't seen the other way round much at all.

8 Vargs at 7k€ at the moment. Typically they're 1.0 (6.5 kWh), 50 to 100 h, still under warranty There are about 30 more between 7 and 8k€ with low hours. MX1.2 (7.2 kWh) offers start right after 8k€, I think 1k€ more for the MX1.2 is reasonable.

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Crazy what people are trying to get for 2024s around here in PA. 9-10g or higher. If I’m dropping that on a used stark some idiot kid was road riding, I’ll plunk down another 2-3 and have a brand new one. 

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I have an EX with 12 hours that I hate. Tried to trade it in and one dealer offered $6k, and another $5k. To marketplace it goes for $9500.

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being...

Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being said ill sell you mine so I can go buy a new one haha. 

I didn't like mine 🤣

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A disturbingly high number of the second hand ones in Australia say things like: “Battery (or motor, or both) have been replaced under warranty.”
One had the option to extend the warranty by 2 years for A$1690 (from memory) - expensive, but worth it?

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Zzips wrote:
I have an EX with 12 hours that I hate. Tried to trade it in and one dealer offered $6k, and another $5k. To marketplace it...

I have an EX with 12 hours that I hate. Tried to trade it in and one dealer offered $6k, and another $5k. To marketplace it goes for $9500.

What do you hate?

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Zzips wrote:
I have an EX with 12 hours that I hate. Tried to trade it in and one dealer offered $6k, and another $5k. To marketplace it...

I have an EX with 12 hours that I hate. Tried to trade it in and one dealer offered $6k, and another $5k. To marketplace it goes for $9500.

What do you hate?

I had 2 Altas that I was very happy with, and thought the Stark was gonna be at least the same if not better. Maybe it’s too adjustable and offers too many different settings that I’m always thinking I should have been in a different map after going through a section of woods or moto track? At 57 yrs old and 150 lbs, I can pick it up once a day, anything more and it’ll blow my back out trying to get it stood up, and for that reason I just don’t find it fun to ride. I also have very limited options to race it.

 I should also be fair to the bike as it still has DOT knobbies which are absolute shit, and doesn’t help my dislike of it. I’ve ridden others with real tires and they were cool, but the damage has been done in my little head and it has sat unused for a year. 

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being...

Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being said ill sell you mine so I can go buy a new one haha. 

Smith246 wrote:

I didn't like mine 🤣

One of the rare few.

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being...

Buyers not liking them probably isn’t going to happen, it is the best bike out there right now. It is a ton of fun. That being said ill sell you mine so I can go buy a new one haha. 

Smith246 wrote:

I didn't like mine 🤣

vdrsnk04 wrote:

One of the rare few.

I know of more than a few

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Everyone that I know that rides one, loves it. 
One of my good friends, and ex racing buddy, who owns a KTM300, never rides the 300 anymore. Just his Stark Varg. 

(His KTM300 is the best dirt bike I’ve ever ridden. Haven’t had a go on the Stark yet. I no longer live close.)

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davis224
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I rode with 2 other guys on Starks yesterday on his backyard track (thats a positive right there), I have the 1.2 with 18 hours, another 1.2 with 2 hours that has already had the battery replaced (something popped internall  the first time he charged it), and a 1.0 with stupid amount of hours that is ridden hard and put away wet. Zero issues with mine or the 1.0. It really seems like it's per individual bike with issues, you either have a bulletproof bike or make good use of the warranty. 

However, I have noticed I'm getting a lot less life out of my battery lately. Wether it's me getting faster/more used to it and running it harder, but I started at 91%  rode to 52%, charged to 63%, rode to 21%, charged to 32%, then pulled off at 6% in about 2.5 hours, while they both started at 100% and never plugged in (not sure of their final percentage). They pulled off more often while I spun continuous laps and they each took a few laps on my bike to try out traction control, but we're close enough in speed and I run 50 hp while they run 60+. Just enough to make me wonder if I'm not having some minor problems with cells internally.

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skypig wrote:
A disturbingly high number of the second hand ones in Australia say things like: “Battery (or motor, or both) have been replaced under warranty.”One had the...

A disturbingly high number of the second hand ones in Australia say things like: “Battery (or motor, or both) have been replaced under warranty.”
One had the option to extend the warranty by 2 years for A$1690 (from memory) - expensive, but worth it?

I see the same thing here in the Netherlands.
Almost all the first generation vargs that come for sale from private sellers have some big component replaced under warranty.
They are also priced quite high.
For sure if you consider you could buy the first version new with a big discount when the second came out.

I would stay away from high priced first model versions.

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mx317
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When Honda and/or Yamaha comes out with one, you will find some cheap Starks then. That Honda prototype looks so cool, but I don't know if I am ready to give up an ICE bike just yet. I think I would have to have both.

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They hold their value because they are the best bike on the market. 

Low maintenance, cheap running costs, and software updates add to it. 

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I have one of mine for sale right now. It's a 2024 with about 24 hrs 19" rear wheel with footbrake. I bought two new at...

IMG 4412 9IMG 3615 12I have one of mine for sale right now. It's a 2024 with about 24 hrs 19" rear wheel with footbrake. I bought two new at the same time. I did that to solve the range problem, burn one down and just jump on the other. I realized if I charge it between motos on my regular 110v motorhome genie I have plenty of power to make it through the day. I raced the Vet MX in Boise in September. 2 day event: Saturday is 1-15 minute practice session and 3-20 minute motos Sunday is 1-15 minute practice session and 2-20 minute motos. I was never low on battery life as long as I charge after each session or moto. So I realized I don't need two. IMG 6665 1

Tip, if you use a 220V generator you never have to worry about range. 

A lot quicker than a 110V. It is a must imo.

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