How legit do you consider an SMX title?

9/27/2026 9:42am

Broc Tickle has one west coast 250 championship and in my opinion that means more than Kitchen winning this SMX series. As far as importance and legacy goes these SMX “titles” are below the well established championships we already have. Just my opinion.

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9/27/2026 9:49am

Monster Cup style

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MOTO13 wrote:
It's a title you have to qualify for during SX and MX just to basically even race it and have any legit shot at winning. While...

It's a title you have to qualify for during SX and MX just to basically even race it and have any legit shot at winning. While it's only 3 races, only the top racers ever win that proved themselves all year. So, I think it's fairly legit. 

Ultimately it is the Grand National Championship of yesteryear…

And the special colored number plates they earn are mimicking that point.

Andrew Short must feel cheated 🤣

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9/27/2026 10:18am

Right up there with nickelback and daughtry as hard rock/ metal bands😂

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9/27/2026 10:20am

The checks cash and that's what matters. Lots of money made the past 3 weeks for the riders. 

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downard254 wrote:
If you’ve won neither a SX or MX title in that same year, yet are crowned the SMX champion, you are not a champion in my...

If you’ve won neither a SX or MX title in that same year, yet are crowned the SMX champion, you are not a champion in my eyes.  Sorry, it really isn’t a championship. True champions endure the test of time. 

So, in baseball if a team that got into the playoffs via a wildcard birth wins the World Series they are not champions?

We keep calling it a three race series, yet the guy that earned the most points in those three races is not the champion. So, the rest of the season did count enough to make the difference.

I like the theory of playoffs. However, the execution has been terrible.

In my mind, in a playoff system you lose a certain number of guys each round.

22 qualify from SX and MX into the first round.

17 qualify into the second round

12 qualify into the final round

Series champ(s) auto qualify into the final round

Winner of the final round is the champion

 

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9/27/2026 12:39pm
downard254 wrote:
If you’ve won neither a SX or MX title in that same year, yet are crowned the SMX champion, you are not a champion in my...

If you’ve won neither a SX or MX title in that same year, yet are crowned the SMX champion, you are not a champion in my eyes.  Sorry, it really isn’t a championship. True champions endure the test of time. 

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So, in baseball if a team that got into the playoffs via a wildcard birth wins the World Series they are not champions?We keep calling it...

So, in baseball if a team that got into the playoffs via a wildcard birth wins the World Series they are not champions?

We keep calling it a three race series, yet the guy that earned the most points in those three races is not the champion. So, the rest of the season did count enough to make the difference.

I like the theory of playoffs. However, the execution has been terrible.

In my mind, in a playoff system you lose a certain number of guys each round.

22 qualify from SX and MX into the first round.

17 qualify into the second round

12 qualify into the final round

Series champ(s) auto qualify into the final round

Winner of the final round is the champion

 

Stick and ball comparisons don't work. You need playoffs in those sports because every team can't compete against each other every week. Wildcard teams like the 9-7 Giants winning a Super Bowl and that kinda thing sorta bugs me because you can make the argument the best team didn't win, just the one who got hot at the right time but it's the nature of the beast and everyone knows that it's kind of a necessary evil. Motocross doesn't need to have that as part of the sport because these guys all race each other head to head 28 times a year. At the end of 28 heads up races you can definitively say who the best man was but instead you hit the reset button on them for a 3 race sample size with a wonky new points structure, not because it competitively makes sense but because a television broadcaster wanted it. It's a disservice to the sport. 

Even a NASCAR comparison doesn't really apply. They started The Chase because they had a long season that often turned into a runaway and fans would be bored. The 2 premier class championships in our sport this year were both separated by 1 point going into the final round. I think that's a pretty clear sign that the championship structure is functioning properly as is, we naturally got winner take all finals in SX and MX without any silly gimmicks.

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9/27/2026 1:38pm

It just feels like Monster Cup being spread out across three weekends. I feel like every time A1 rolls around, I forget who won the titles the year before.

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I'll give it about the same weight as a regional sx title. 

6 motos, but actually the same amount of racing 6*20=120, 8*15=120). 

Add a little weight for the seeding, subtract a little for the lack of prestige. 

Close enough to call it even. 

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Only thing I don’t like is coming in with points. I’d be more stoked if it was just 3 races coming in clean slate. The double triple points thing is fine. 


Instead Jorge won with the following finishes just because he came in with points 

Jorge 3-4-2-2-5-1   2.83 avg

Deegan 1-1-3-3-1-2   1.83 avg. 

 

It is what it is though. I like the series otherwise. Was very entertaining. If you’re a tired hunter, don’t race it. Great opportunity to make a lot of money for those that care and carry momentum into the off season. 

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mx617 wrote:
I'll give it about the same weight as a regional sx title. 6 motos, but actually the same amount of racing 6*20=120, 8*15=120). Add a little weight for...

I'll give it about the same weight as a regional sx title. 

6 motos, but actually the same amount of racing 6*20=120, 8*15=120). 

Add a little weight for the seeding, subtract a little for the lack of prestige. 

Close enough to call it even. 

Logical

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9/27/2026 3:18pm

Well, its a real title and in 20 years it will be remembered as much and the kids growing up who become pro will know no different. 

However, I wish they would do better with the tracks. This year F'n sucked. 

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deadlo wrote:
Only thing I don’t like is coming in with points. I’d be more stoked if it was just 3 races coming in clean slate. The double...

Only thing I don’t like is coming in with points. I’d be more stoked if it was just 3 races coming in clean slate. The double triple points thing is fine. 


Instead Jorge won with the following finishes just because he came in with points 

Jorge 3-4-2-2-5-1   2.83 avg

Deegan 1-1-3-3-1-2   1.83 avg. 

 

It is what it is though. I like the series otherwise. Was very entertaining. If you’re a tired hunter, don’t race it. Great opportunity to make a lot of money for those that care and carry momentum into the off season. 

Prado earned it. But yea there could be some adjustment. 

I think Round 1 should be double and the final should be quad. On the years Jett doesn't race I think it would give a wider net of potential winners lol. 

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9/27/2026 3:57pm

SMX feels like the DEI of motorcycle racing. 

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9/27/2026 4:00pm

Bring back the monster million 

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9/27/2026 4:05pm

It should just be one triple crown race on a track like Ridgedale.

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deadlo wrote:
Only thing I don’t like is coming in with points. I’d be more stoked if it was just 3 races coming in clean slate. The double...

Only thing I don’t like is coming in with points. I’d be more stoked if it was just 3 races coming in clean slate. The double triple points thing is fine. 


Instead Jorge won with the following finishes just because he came in with points 

Jorge 3-4-2-2-5-1   2.83 avg

Deegan 1-1-3-3-1-2   1.83 avg. 

 

It is what it is though. I like the series otherwise. Was very entertaining. If you’re a tired hunter, don’t race it. Great opportunity to make a lot of money for those that care and carry momentum into the off season. 

JayDeerTay wrote:
Prado earned it. But yea there could be some adjustment. I think Round 1 should be double and the final should be quad. On the years Jett...

Prado earned it. But yea there could be some adjustment. 

I think Round 1 should be double and the final should be quad. On the years Jett doesn't race I think it would give a wider net of potential winners lol. 

Im not taking away from prado, but Deegan did better in the 3 smx races and in motocross. He didn’t get the title because he wasn’t in the 450 yet. Thats an issue with smx.


But yeah I mean rules are rules and prado won it. Just no points going into smx imo.  If you want to give an end of year award and bonus to whoever did best in mx + sx + smx, then sure. But I don’t think points should carry into smx. I thought it was a great series though and had a lot of fun watching it. 

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9/27/2026 4:45pm

Better than a divisional Supercross because it’s all the best 250 riders.


But not as good as motocross 

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9/27/2026 4:47pm

It should just be one triple crown race on a track like Ridgedale.

The track looked neat but if that was at a drag strip everyone would be shitting on the one lined track that had too many bends and curves to form multiple lines.  Ridgedale looked awesome but did not race that well.  

A track with a 76 second lap time and the top 15 were all within 1 second of each other.  

Solution = add whoops 

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Gimmick series. Useless title. 

Right up there with the FIM/AMA World supercross title in the 00's, couldnt  tell you who won. 

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9/28/2026 3:20pm

It should just be one triple crown race on a track like Ridgedale.

If they are gonna keep holding smx, this would be a great way to go forward.... 

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9/28/2026 3:45pm

Right up there with the FIM/AMA World supercross title in the 00's, couldnt  tell you who won. 

Heath Voss of course, iconic

9/28/2026 5:26pm
I've been pretty neutral on this whole thing but it's finally worn me down. If you combine Supercross and Motocross points Hunter outscored Jorge 820 to...

I've been pretty neutral on this whole thing but it's finally worn me down. If you combine Supercross and Motocross points Hunter outscored Jorge 820 to 590. 230 points better with 5 SX Main Event wins, 12 moto wins and 6 overalls in Pro Motocross to Jorge's 2 moto wins and 1 overall, but we're all supposed to participate in Jorge's delusion that he is World Champion from this? It's honestly a disservice to Hunter and Cole after they fought, scratched, and clawed their way to real championships and proved definitively that they were the best over the course of 28 races that someone else is calling themselves champion.

Exactly this. Very well said. 

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