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8/31/2026 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 12:59pm
#waddabunchabaloney.You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a...

#waddabunchabaloney.

You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  

You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a title gifted to him.

Here's an alternative: a guy who missed all of SX and has been impaired throughout this season got a bad start and has said he tweaked that injury and could not press hard mid pack on a sketchy rutted track.  He got a better start second moto and still could not push hard, at which point it may not have mattered given the positions available and the points he was down.   

I'll grant you this: he wasn't going to knock his brother down second moto to put those points back in his pocket given Pop's emphasis on straight up, and he may have been willing to take greater risks of compounding his injury if it was anyone other than Hunter he was fighting for the title.

The notion that Jett threw this really is an idiot test a lot of people are failing.

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we...

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we just saw.  It's the biggest display of gaslighting I've seen in a while. And yes, we don't believe Jett is being truthful.  His interview with Weege certainly came across as disingenuous and somewhat awkward, so we don't have to premise this on the idea that Hunter would want the title gifted to him because I don't think even Hunter knew what was going on. 

This is screwed up thinking, no more, no less.

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Poor guy. Finishes an amazing seson and finally wins a 450 title after coming so close so many times and all people do is come up...

Poor guy. Finishes an amazing seson and finally wins a 450 title after coming so close so many times and all people do is come up with ridiculous BS to demerit it. If Jett doesn't line up outdoors and Hunter wins damn near every moto the same people would go yEah BuT JeTt wAsnT tHeRE 😭

If Jett and Hunter were out, Deegan would have quite a few wins, plus the title.  Guess what people like you would be saying?

 

Oh piss off !!! 

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as far as i'm concerned Hunter won, Jett second, and dangerboy a distant third. we all know who had the most disappointing season.....

We don't know, who are you talking about? Jett would probably have the most disappointing season with no titles. Deegan had a 250 SX title this year and Hunter the 450 MX title. Maybe Prado, Tomac, RJ, Webb etc. as they all finished behind the three you mentioned.

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#waddabunchabaloney.You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a...

#waddabunchabaloney.

You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  

You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a title gifted to him.

Here's an alternative: a guy who missed all of SX and has been impaired throughout this season got a bad start and has said he tweaked that injury and could not press hard mid pack on a sketchy rutted track.  He got a better start second moto and still could not push hard, at which point it may not have mattered given the positions available and the points he was down.   

I'll grant you this: he wasn't going to knock his brother down second moto to put those points back in his pocket given Pop's emphasis on straight up, and he may have been willing to take greater risks of compounding his injury if it was anyone other than Hunter he was fighting for the title.

The notion that Jett threw this really is an idiot test a lot of people are failing.

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we...

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we just saw.  It's the biggest display of gaslighting I've seen in a while. And yes, we don't believe Jett is being truthful.  His interview with Weege certainly came across as disingenuous and somewhat awkward, so we don't have to premise this on the idea that Hunter would want the title gifted to him because I don't think even Hunter knew what was going on. 

This is screwed up thinking, no more, no less.

Yup he is insufferable!!! 

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#waddabunchabaloney.You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a...

#waddabunchabaloney.

You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  

You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a title gifted to him.

Here's an alternative: a guy who missed all of SX and has been impaired throughout this season got a bad start and has said he tweaked that injury and could not press hard mid pack on a sketchy rutted track.  He got a better start second moto and still could not push hard, at which point it may not have mattered given the positions available and the points he was down.   

I'll grant you this: he wasn't going to knock his brother down second moto to put those points back in his pocket given Pop's emphasis on straight up, and he may have been willing to take greater risks of compounding his injury if it was anyone other than Hunter he was fighting for the title.

The notion that Jett threw this really is an idiot test a lot of people are failing.

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we...

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we just saw.  It's the biggest display of gaslighting I've seen in a while. And yes, we don't believe Jett is being truthful.  His interview with Weege certainly came across as disingenuous and somewhat awkward, so we don't have to premise this on the idea that Hunter would want the title gifted to him because I don't think even Hunter knew what was going on. 

This is screwed up thinking, no more, no less.

it happens when your boy goes 0-22 and never led a lap....deegs dangerboyz suffered cerebral and emotional trauma when they realized he wasn't competition for the brothers.

it has to hurt....

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I bet Deegan cried Saturday night.

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8/31/2026 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 1:55pm

There is no conspiracy. Jett let Hunter win the title. Is what it is. Human doing human things for their family. People who think 'no way' Jett would do that don't understand human psychology and deep family emotional bonds. You are fooling yourselves. Time to move on.

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There is no conspiracy. Jett let Hunter win the title. Is what it is. Human doing human things for their family. People who think 'no way'...

There is no conspiracy. Jett let Hunter win the title. Is what it is. Human doing human things for their family. People who think 'no way' Jett would do that don't understand human psychology and deep family emotional bonds. You are fooling yourselves. Time to move on.

I am basically where you are at on this..

Agreed Jett let Hunter win…we all saw what we saw. Anyone calling this a “conspiracy” is not being honest with themselves..I wish it wasn’t the case..

It may be time to move on, but this title will always be associated with what happened and that sucks for Hunter because I do think he was the best guy..

 

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You don't think reigning champion Jett wouldn't lay off to help out winless big bro? He did. Sore ankle theory don't hold water on a 20th start........Jett probably thought, I'll lay off the start and give winless big bro an easy lead, but Hunter's crash into Deegan made the throw painfully obvious......

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8/31/2026 2:35pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 2:42pm
kpiper wrote:
There is no conspiracy. Jett let Hunter win the title. Is what it is. Human doing human things for their family. People who think 'no way'...

There is no conspiracy. Jett let Hunter win the title. Is what it is. Human doing human things for their family. People who think 'no way' Jett would do that don't understand human psychology and deep family emotional bonds. You are fooling yourselves. Time to move on.

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I am basically where you are at on this..Agreed Jett let Hunter win…we all saw what we saw. Anyone calling this a “conspiracy” is not being...

I am basically where you are at on this..

Agreed Jett let Hunter win…we all saw what we saw. Anyone calling this a “conspiracy” is not being honest with themselves..I wish it wasn’t the case..

It may be time to move on, but this title will always be associated with what happened and that sucks for Hunter because I do think he was the best guy..

 

Yes. Many younger brothers idolize their older brothers and would not hesitate to make a sacrifice for them if they feel they have had more than their fair share of success over the other. I can relate.

You are right about moving on. This won't be forgotten by many. But I actually have no issue with what Jett did. Just too bad he didn't do the deed a little more smoothly. You could tell he was totally flustered after seeing Hunter on the ground.  

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The problem with the "so what" people?

It's wildly against the rules.  Banned from the sport is a potential punishment... (not that the AMA would ever do that, even with irrefutable evidence)

I don't know what happened, and I'm not going to proclaim this or that happened, but I did go back and rewatch moto 1 and from my perspective, it's worse the second time you watch versus the first.  Jett is practically just rolling around at points in the moto, struggling with Mark Fineis and Jed Beaton .  Remember what the moto world said when Prado did that just 1 year ago???

It's sad we're at this point and I hate conspiracies, and I typically refuse to choose a side, but without Hunter falling, nothing looks like it does today, so I'm torn.  We'll never know and it's done and over with...  So water under the bridge I guess.

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If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and the family discussed behind closed doors or was this completely orchestrated in Jetts mind? If this was a fixed chip, there's no way Hunter knew about it. And if he knew it was going down that way, I wonder what he thought during/after the first moto? I wonder what he thinks now. So scandalous lol

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The problem with the "so what" people?It's wildly against the rules.  Banned from the sport is a potential punishment... (not that the AMA would ever do...

The problem with the "so what" people?

It's wildly against the rules.  Banned from the sport is a potential punishment... (not that the AMA would ever do that, even with irrefutable evidence)

I don't know what happened, and I'm not going to proclaim this or that happened, but I did go back and rewatch moto 1 and from my perspective, it's worse the second time you watch versus the first.  Jett is practically just rolling around at points in the moto, struggling with Mark Fineis and Jed Beaton .  Remember what the moto world said when Prado did that just 1 year ago???

It's sad we're at this point and I hate conspiracies, and I typically refuse to choose a side, but without Hunter falling, nothing looks like it does today, so I'm torn.  We'll never know and it's done and over with...  So water under the bridge I guess.

The AMA can't say a thing about someone 'not trying as hard as they should or could'. It's so easy to get a mid-pack start if you want to. It's so easy to just back off and cruise around. The AMA can't do anything about that, nor should they.

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I bet Jet's biggest regret was not running down the 38 in moto 2.  Was for me.

Next years is gunna be great.  5 smoking fast riders, Hunter, Prodo, Jet, #38 and Lucas Coenen.

I hope they all make it thru SX healthy.  

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For the X Files people: when did this "conspiracy" for Jett to take a dive get cooked up?  

In advance, because everyone within the family agreed it was Hunter's turn?  Was Honda in on it, and if not should they be pissed for $$ reasons?  Did Jett come up with it ahead of time and just keep it to himself?  Or did it occur to Jett in the spur of the moment when he saw Hunter was down and suddenly Jett was overcome because Hunter was jinxed by another fall at a critical moment?  I mean, there's got to be some coherence for something to be a plan or, God forbid, a conspiracy.   

All presupposing Jett doesn't care about his own title legacy and would just go F it when he's a point down going into the last round, when atbthis stage of his career he's already lost multiple title seasons to injuries and is hobbled with something now that's more likely to impair him in the future than the past ACL stuff.  All presupposing that Hunter so lacks pride he would want it that way, as if anyone who's seen Hunter handle his business can imagine that's the case.

That's a lot of BS to package against Jett got reinjured and couldn't deliver.  What a load of crap.  Guys who succeed as these two, and others champions have, don't think that way.  

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For the X Files people: when did this "conspiracy" for Jett to take a dive get cooked up?  In advance, because everyone within the family agreed...

For the X Files people: when did this "conspiracy" for Jett to take a dive get cooked up?  

In advance, because everyone within the family agreed it was Hunter's turn?  Was Honda in on it, and if not should they be pissed for $$ reasons?  Did Jett come up with it ahead of time and just keep it to himself?  Or did it occur to Jett in the spur of the moment when he saw Hunter was down and suddenly Jett was overcome because Hunter was jinxed by another fall at a critical moment?  I mean, there's got to be some coherence for something to be a plan or, God forbid, a conspiracy.   

All presupposing Jett doesn't care about his own title legacy and would just go F it when he's a point down going into the last round, when atbthis stage of his career he's already lost multiple title seasons to injuries and is hobbled with something now that's more likely to impair him in the future than the past ACL stuff.  All presupposing that Hunter so lacks pride he would want it that way, as if anyone who's seen Hunter handle his business can imagine that's the case.

That's a lot of BS to package against Jett got reinjured and couldn't deliver.  What a load of crap.  Guys who succeed as these two, and others champions have, don't think that way.  

I think Jett decided when Hunter fell, and no one ever said Hunter wanted it this way. 

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Press516 wrote:
The problem with the "so what" people?It's wildly against the rules.  Banned from the sport is a potential punishment... (not that the AMA would ever do...

The problem with the "so what" people?

It's wildly against the rules.  Banned from the sport is a potential punishment... (not that the AMA would ever do that, even with irrefutable evidence)

I don't know what happened, and I'm not going to proclaim this or that happened, but I did go back and rewatch moto 1 and from my perspective, it's worse the second time you watch versus the first.  Jett is practically just rolling around at points in the moto, struggling with Mark Fineis and Jed Beaton .  Remember what the moto world said when Prado did that just 1 year ago???

It's sad we're at this point and I hate conspiracies, and I typically refuse to choose a side, but without Hunter falling, nothing looks like it does today, so I'm torn.  We'll never know and it's done and over with...  So water under the bridge I guess.

kpiper wrote:
The AMA can't say a thing about someone 'not trying as hard as they should or could'. It's so easy to get a mid-pack start if...

The AMA can't say a thing about someone 'not trying as hard as they should or could'. It's so easy to get a mid-pack start if you want to. It's so easy to just back off and cruise around. The AMA can't do anything about that, nor should they.

That also wouldn't be irrefutable evidence...  Like a team member saying they wanted Hunter to win, so XYZ happened.

But is that the integrity in the sport you would expect?

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About half way through Moto1 when Jett looks back to “find” Hunter as they cross the start straight. Yep. He wanted Hunter to catch and pas him. Generational Jett never looks back. 

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If Jett and Hunter were out, Deegan would have quite a few wins, plus the title.  Guess what people like you would be saying?

 

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lol, more likely Deegan would have seen Prado's rear fender most the year.

My guy deegan beat prado straight up more times then not and placed ahead of him in the championship.

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If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and...

If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and the family discussed behind closed doors or was this completely orchestrated in Jetts mind? If this was a fixed chip, there's no way Hunter knew about it. And if he knew it was going down that way, I wonder what he thought during/after the first moto? I wonder what he thinks now. So scandalous lol

No way. If it was fixed it was Jett acting on his own. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t type of thing. That family is in some really deep shit now with the fan base and media. What I’m wondering is does it blow over or does it follow them forever or worse does it crush them?

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motoholt wrote:
If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and...

If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and the family discussed behind closed doors or was this completely orchestrated in Jetts mind? If this was a fixed chip, there's no way Hunter knew about it. And if he knew it was going down that way, I wonder what he thought during/after the first moto? I wonder what he thinks now. So scandalous lol

No way. If it was fixed it was Jett acting on his own. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t type of thing. That family...

No way. If it was fixed it was Jett acting on his own. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t type of thing. That family is in some really deep shit now with the fan base and media. What I’m wondering is does it blow over or does it follow them forever or worse does it crush them?

Yeah, IF it happened, it would have just been Jett.  No way the team or the family would have known.

And it blows over quick… 

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motoholt wrote:
If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and...

If the championship was fixed in regards to Jetts riding/results, my question is, do you think Hunter was in on it? Was this something Jett and the family discussed behind closed doors or was this completely orchestrated in Jetts mind? If this was a fixed chip, there's no way Hunter knew about it. And if he knew it was going down that way, I wonder what he thought during/after the first moto? I wonder what he thinks now. So scandalous lol

No way. If it was fixed it was Jett acting on his own. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t type of thing. That family...

No way. If it was fixed it was Jett acting on his own. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t type of thing. That family is in some really deep shit now with the fan base and media. What I’m wondering is does it blow over or does it follow them forever or worse does it crush them?

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Yeah, IF it happened, it would have just been Jett.  No way the team or the family would have known.

And it blows over quick… 

Yeah I agree, when Jett is crowned SMX champ here in like a month or so it will be all spotlight on the golden boy again. 

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I'm at peace with it now. There was no colluding with Hunter you coud see post 1st moto he was as dumbfounded as anyone. There was no monetary gain infact they lost money as Jetts bonuses are bigger.  Worst case scenario Jett did it through brotherly love. 

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I don’t believe for a second, that Jett would let Deegan pass him for any reason. If he could have fended off he would’ve. 

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8/31/2026 7:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/31/2026 7:38pm

If Jett and Hunter were out, Deegan would have quite a few wins, plus the title.  Guess what people like you would be saying?

 

RDnutz wrote:

lol, more likely Deegan would have seen Prado's rear fender most the year.

chill014 wrote:

My guy deegan beat prado straight up more times then not and placed ahead of him in the championship.

pretty sure Prado just went 1-1 for overall win at Ironman. Prado Had a fair number of holeshots this year and qualified well nearly every race. Don't remember Deegan leading a single lap this year or winning an overall? Deegan qualified near the top as well and I think had more podiums than Prado but the moto wins and overall gives him the edge over your guy Deegan for anyone beating the other straight up. Scoreboard.

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I don’t believe for a second, that Jett would let Deegan pass him for any reason. If he could have fended off he would’ve. 

You would be wrong on that. Lol. Actually, the only way Jett would accept Deegan beating him like that would be if Jett 'let him' do it. And he did.

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I'm at peace with it now. There was no colluding with Hunter you coud see post 1st moto he was as dumbfounded as anyone. There was...

I'm at peace with it now. There was no colluding with Hunter you coud see post 1st moto he was as dumbfounded as anyone. There was no monetary gain infact they lost money as Jetts bonuses are bigger.  Worst case scenario Jett did it through brotherly love. 

certain riders have championship bonus escalators in their contracts too, especially when it’s already previously signed and when you win a championship the next year goes up quite a bit. who knows. We’ll never know

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RDnutz wrote:

lol, more likely Deegan would have seen Prado's rear fender most the year.

chill014 wrote:

My guy deegan beat prado straight up more times then not and placed ahead of him in the championship.

RDnutz wrote:
pretty sure Prado just went 1-1 for overall win at Ironman. Prado Had a fair number of holeshots this year and qualified well nearly every race...

pretty sure Prado just went 1-1 for overall win at Ironman. Prado Had a fair number of holeshots this year and qualified well nearly every race. Don't remember Deegan leading a single lap this year or winning an overall? Deegan qualified near the top as well and I think had more podiums than Prado but the moto wins and overall gives him the edge over your guy Deegan for anyone beating the other straight up. Scoreboard.

This is delusional. Pro moto keeps a score board and deegs beat prado fair and square. Makes no difference if the Lawrence’s were there or not. Deegan amassed more points over the 11 round series than prado did. Therefore he finished ahead. It ain’t rocket surgery. 

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Anyone who does not see exactly what Jett did is blind or just refusing to except reality. You’re telling me Jett could not pass anyone, mid pack riders he normally passes by the dozen for 3 laps? Just look at who he “couldn’t” pass and his lap times through the entire race. Give me a dam break. He was waiting to see where Hunter was. It was planned from the go when he tanked the start. He dropped anchor immediately when he saw Hunter went down not knowing how bad it was. I have no feelings either way but I understand his especially after Hunters supercross heartbreak. Its highly unlikely Hunter would have ever got a title with a healthy Jett. He barely got one against an injured Jett. 

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