What the hell is going on?’

I really didn't give a shit about this one way or the other, who cares. Jett has proven he will fix a race when he let Roczen go, if he does it for his brother, so what? Or his ankle hurt, so what? But then today on Matthes's review with JT and Weege they go on for 25 - 30 minutes trying to disprove or over explain the fix was in, holy shit it seems more preposterous now if the Lawrence's didn't fix the race. Weege stated, "We don't want to speculate" at least three times, when that is exactly part of his job at times. Making much ado about nothing, BTW I still believe it was the ankle.

That's unfair to homeschoolers, the biggest idiots I know went to public school. 

Anybody remember when Jett won Redbud and threw a raging fit after the win?   Anybody remember in that same race, Jett throwing out a boat anchor basically gifting the win to Hunter, and with Hunter having issues on the last lap forcing Jett to basically have to take the win back on the last lap?  We can say "that was just showing passion" but it sure looked to me like Hunter was supposed to win that moto..  I said that was odd back then, maybe there was some merit to my looney notion.

I will also say, that last moto at Ironman, Jett could easily have caught and passed Deegan within 3 laps if he really wanted to and getting 2 more points, he just really didn't seem to want to, that was bizarre.

Seems like they thought they could get away with it without drawing attention, if Hunter doesn't go down on lap 1 then no problem.  

Once Hunter goes down then Jett decides to wait for him, except it takes much longer than anticipated and draws attention.

Put your head in the sand all you want, but I've never seen a championship winner look as disappointed as Hunter did in the press conference after the 2nd moto. You can also just tell Jett isn't being 100% truthful in the Weege interview.

You all know damn well if it was anyone but Hunter, Jett would have not let him catch him and pass him in moto 1.

I hope the race was legit and Jett was giving his all. 
I just find it odd half way through the season Jett didn’t want even talk about his ankle. In all the post race interviews that’s all he wants to talk about. I know he said he hurt it, but why blame the ankle. Why keep making excuses. He should just own up that Hunter won the championship.

#waddabunchabaloney.

You'll never know the truth only if you believe Jett is lying.  

You also have to premise your doubt on accepting that Hunter would want a title gifted to him.

Here's an alternative: a guy who missed all of SX and has been impaired throughout this season got a bad start and has said he tweaked that injury and could not press hard mid pack on a sketchy rutted track.  He got a better start second moto and still could not push hard, at which point it may not have mattered given the positions available and the points he was down.   

I'll grant you this: he wasn't going to knock his brother down second moto to put those points back in his pocket given Pop's emphasis on straight up, and he may have been willing to take greater risks of compounding his injury if it was anyone other than Hunter he was fighting for the title.

The notion that Jett threw this really is an idiot test a lot of people are failing.

This conspiracy theory nonsense is a big, steamy pile of tinfoil hat bullshit. 

he looked happy and relieved to me.....

I'm sure if neither fell and Jett wasn't hurt that a large % of people will say if Hunter won Jett gave it to him. It's like some don't believe any of Hunter's races beating Jett this year were genuine. 

Jett had all the cover story in the world he needed to NOT line up for second moto, because by doing that, Jett "risked winning" the Championship. If that is your delusional view.

Jett finished ahead of Hunter in last moto. Hunter going down, bike going south and there is nothing Jett can do about it.

Pisspoor logic that Jett have it away, and then finish ahead of Hunter with no control over what happens behind. 

And again, pissing all over Honda? It's not even remotely believable and something people of their caliber ha sin their mind. For what, a few hundred k extra compared to Jett winning?

I don't think there was any fixing personally, JS pointed it out he looked to be riding injured. Weege said he even went against Bondo telling him to say what everyone was thinking in the review pod. Which if true is an absolutely stand up stance from JS7. 

If there was any sort of silliness going on I would believe it was only Jett involved and not Hunter. I'm betting Jett happen to reinjure himself, and backed it down and might have been intending that from the start. Then moto 1 crash just gave the horrific optics. They should have never removed that footpeg from the start, IMO. Regardless the optics look terrible.

Though unless theres a huge investigation into this by higher powers this will be forgotten by next year just like Deegan's shenanigans at the last SMX round against Shimoda last year, but this is arguably way worse than that situation.

The Lawrence's controlled the championship and nobody was close enough to do anything about it.

If he's injured, they're going to send him for tests, and they might not find anything.     We also don't know if he has an injury clause that could change his pay for not starting a moto.

If there's no formal investigation then it proves there's no big money being gambled on motocross.

I haven’t personally talked to the Lawrence family so I can only accept what they say which is Jett didn’t let him win. 

But I got to thinking which is dangerous. It is funny all the people complaining that Jett let Hunter win because if you think about it. That if that were true that tells you just how much better the Lawrence’s are on the track then the entire rest of the field. That says they can make the outcome what they want.

Jett:

“My day sucked, honestly,” recalled the 23-year-old, who was sixth overall. “I felt terrible in both motos, but in that first moto, I mean, I didn’t know that [Hunter] went down at first until I looked back on the start straight. I felt like I was riding so badly on the first few laps that I was like, ‘surely I’m close to 40th.’

“Then I saw him there and was like, ‘alright, I need to make sure he doesn’t catch me.’ But yeah, not an ideal day for sure… I wish I could’ve given a better self, but I pushed it a little too hard in practice with my foot, and then the first couple laps [of moto one] I tweaked it really badly.

“I tried to keep pushing, but it was pretty painful, so we just all-around kind of sucked today. I’ve been doing pretty well without hurting it, but today in qualifying it got ripped [back] three times – I’ve been able to ride with it all year and have good rounds, so it’s not really an excuse.

“I have not ridden that bad in years – I had that [‘sky shot’ moment], another moment in front of Hunter through the rollers, I had headshake multiple times in pit lane, I had so many moments that I can’t count all of them.”

“As a brother, I’m happy for ‘HJ’ for getting his first 450 title, and I’m happy with what I have done this outdoor season,” he added. “Everyone I raced this year, at the start of the year, I was watching them while I was sitting on the couch on a three-wheeler thing, trying to get around. No matter what my results were, because this injury was an unknown for me, I’m still happy.

“I’m even more stoked that I was able to be a pain in the ass for Hunter for this championship – I didn’t want him to get it easy. We’ll see [for the playoffs]… We’ll let you know on that, but as of right now we’re just going to enjoy this, enjoy it with my brother for doing something unreal, so I’ll focus on that first.”

If Jett and Hunter were out, Deegan would have quite a few wins, plus the title.  Guess what people like you would be saying?

 

It will get lost in the sea of comments in this thread, but I would like to say good reporting by @ML512 for his explanation on the odd decision made by the team to remove the "helper" peg for moto one, because I hadn't really heard anyone explain why it was off the bike. I'm not sure I understand the timing, nor the logic considering what was at stake, but that's above my pay grade. 

Also good insight from him on the behind the scenes look at how the injury was handled at the rig and how Jetts demeanor when no one was really watching confirmed how much it was affecting him. Honestly, based on his moto 2 ride, it sounded like had to dig pretty deep to get through it. That they had to "immobilize" his ankle with tape was interesting to learn. 

I wish that was made clearer after the first moto on the broadcast.. it was hard to believe there were no updates from the track reporters to try and get some answers as to how / why / when / if.. given how big of a storyline and how out of character that ride was from Jett. Usually they are back at the rig asap.. looking for anyone willing to make a statement. 

The one's failing the idiot test are the one's trying to pull the wool over our eyes and telling us we did not see what we just saw.  It's the biggest display of gaslighting I've seen in a while. And yes, we don't believe Jett is being truthful.  His interview with Weege certainly came across as disingenuous and somewhat awkward, so we don't have to premise this on the idea that Hunter would want the title gifted to him because I don't think even Hunter knew what was going on. 

He has already been injured for this season, he could start the moto the just DND, not start the moto at all,  or ride around in 10th to be sure Hunter win🤦

People think this is some kind of major strategy play that they chose to play out the last 2 motos of the year. They had all season to handle this 😂

I have loved the Lawrence brothers since they first hit the AMA and the 250s.

But after this fiasco I have to say that I really hope Prado, Deegan, and Coenen--and I am not a particularly huge fan of those 3--raise their game to the point where the brothers are never again in a position to pull those kind of deceptive tactics (in my opinion) to control who wins a championship.  Today fan perceptions, the sport, Honda, and the 450 championship are less than they were before Saturday, when all those were used as tools to enrich one family at the expense of everything else.

lol, more likely Deegan would have seen Prado's rear fender most the year.

You don't think Honda has some sort of strategy clause to reduce payments if Jett is injured?  If he DNF or DNS that clause could come into effect.

I thought it was weird he didn't ride around in 10th.  Seems like if he was hurt in moto 1 , moto 2 would be worse because the track is rougher.

Wait, now I feel stupid. Would the 'family' have gotten less money if Jett had won and Hunter second? 

I could be wrong but this just sounds like a jealous person, but I have no interested in racers financial contracts so you might know more than me. 

This guy would disagree with that take...

Everyone crashing out over the Lawrences, I recommend you NOT watch Ford v. Ferrari.

Or follow F1 and many other racing series. 

I don't understand this energy into this subject at all, maybe it's gambling? As I've never done sports betting. 

Its actually the exact opposite for me and I’m sure a lot of other ppl too. I dont want it to be a conspiracy. I wanted to see hunter to finally win, and to do it straight up. He was actually the better rider all season. Ppl started the conspiracies that jett was going to throw it a whole week before the race and I was telling everyone theres no way thats gonna happen and plus its disrespectful to hunter cuz hes been the better rider and doesnt need to be handed anything. 

I’m a huge fan of both riders and 100% do not want this to be a conspiracy, but at the same time it was sooooo obvious and I’m not going to fake like that was legit just cuz I like the riders. I wish I didnt see what I saw and I wish that wasnt what happened, but it was and theres nothing I can do about it. I wish jett didnt do that cuz it actually put a huge black eye on hunters championship that I dont believe hunter was in on. I dont think hunter would want him to do that so its a kick in his nuts from his brother and a kick in the nuts from the fans cuz it wasnt his fault it was jetts. 

 

as far as i'm concerned Hunter won, Jett second, and dangerboy a distant third. we all know who had the most disappointing season.....