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8/30/2026 3:17am

And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. 

Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1 spot so often. There are no gimmes in motocross, who gives a f about the last round. Hunter got 6 overalls Jett got 4. Hunter was the best this summer.

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Can you look back at the lap taptimes for the ama nationals like you can for mxgp??i....I'm curious to see how much jett picked up the...

Can you look back at the lap taptimes for the ama nationals like you can for mxgp??i....I'm curious to see how much jett picked up the pace in the first race after hunter overtook him.

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215,216,217 most laps

Hunters were 214,215

Deegs were 215,216,217

Surprised deega only made it to p16


Track was fast and hard to make up positions

He also clocked several 2:19 Laps..... that's  also the reason the gap was closed.....

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bens 152 wrote:
And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1...

And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. 

Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1 spot so often. There are no gimmes in motocross, who gives a f about the last round. Hunter got 6 overalls Jett got 4. Hunter was the best this summer.

Thought the same, but it seems there’s lots of butt hurt sad saps clutching at straws.

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8/30/2026 3:38am
kiwifan wrote:

It's insane how you feel like it's a conspiracy 

Mxracer06y wrote:
You guys keep saying conspiracy. I don't think you know what that word meansIt wasn't a secret plan between the bothers. I think it was Jett...

You guys keep saying conspiracy. I don't think you know what that word means

It wasn't a secret plan between the bothers. I think it was Jett doing what humans do, emotions get involved, it's his brother. Maybe after seeing the heart break after supercross, then seeing him throw it away at unadilla, and then seeing him stuck under deegans bike influenced his mental state and decisions.... Maybe he felt he lucked into it, and wanted to give his brother something he thought he deserved.

It doesn't mean this shit was planned. 

 

Who TF knows what went on inside his head. None of us will ever know. Maybe he was hurt, maybe he wasn't. But it's most definitely not outside of the realm of possibility after what we saw today 

Jett getting passed by 18th place... Poking around... Then comes out second moto and is magically healed is just a bit of an eye brow raiser 

Probably the most rational,  plausible explanation I've read. 

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Who had the bigger championship win bonus in their contract?

Who's contract had the most room to grow?

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Motodude wrote:
Its pretty shit how many morons are casting shade on Hunter and Jett. You'd have to be the lowest of shit to keep dragging their efforts...

Its pretty shit how many morons are casting shade on Hunter and Jett. You'd have to be the lowest of shit to keep dragging their efforts down. Miserable khunts. No wonder America is on the crest of becoming an islamic communist state. Have a good hard look at yourselves dumphuks.

Tiddlywinx like Ping, who's hardly travelled beyond Orange county in his life, has panic attacks taking his kid to a liberal city, cast a long deep shaddow on the Lawrences. I used to have some respect for the guy, now he's just an self entitled asshole. 

We would talk shit on anyone that did that. Even if they were from here. 

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8/30/2026 6:19am
kiwifan wrote:

It's insane how you feel like it's a conspiracy 

Mxracer06y wrote:
You guys keep saying conspiracy. I don't think you know what that word meansIt wasn't a secret plan between the bothers. I think it was Jett...

You guys keep saying conspiracy. I don't think you know what that word means

It wasn't a secret plan between the bothers. I think it was Jett doing what humans do, emotions get involved, it's his brother. Maybe after seeing the heart break after supercross, then seeing him throw it away at unadilla, and then seeing him stuck under deegans bike influenced his mental state and decisions.... Maybe he felt he lucked into it, and wanted to give his brother something he thought he deserved.

It doesn't mean this shit was planned. 

 

Who TF knows what went on inside his head. None of us will ever know. Maybe he was hurt, maybe he wasn't. But it's most definitely not outside of the realm of possibility after what we saw today 

Jett getting passed by 18th place... Poking around... Then comes out second moto and is magically healed is just a bit of an eye brow raiser 

I agree with everything you’re saying but it’s more than just an eyebrow raiser, I think it’s pretty obvious given what we all saw. I’ve not lost an ounce of respect for them and I picked Hunter to win the championship anyways, so it worked out. Within the first ten minutes I think it became clear what was taking place. If Deegan wouldn’t have taken Hunter out we probably wouldn’t even be discussing this today but he did and I think it changed things. 

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bens 152 wrote:
And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1...

And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. 

Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1 spot so often. There are no gimmes in motocross, who gives a f about the last round. Hunter got 6 overalls Jett got 4. Hunter was the best this summer.

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Thought the same, but it seems there’s lots of butt hurt sad saps clutching at straws.

I haven’t really seen anyone that mad that he won. I think it’s more so on how the race played out. 

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77dad wrote:

We would talk shit on anyone that did that. Even if they were from here. 

My older brother has been a total piece of dogshit to me my whole life. Stealing, lying, subterfuge, career sabotage - you name it, he did it. Because of that, I've been happily estranged from him for decades now. I see the Lawrences for what they are, a family built around commitment and love, and for all you who think the sport should be bigger than love and family and it should be dog-eat-dog even if it's your brother doing the mauling? - I have no words for you except to say you should pray your actual life doesn't mirror your beliefs. If - IF - Jett did slow up to help his brother win? - well, we all know he'll never admit it because he's got bigger, more important priorities - and that, to me, is simply lovely. 

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77dad wrote:

We would talk shit on anyone that did that. Even if they were from here. 

Silas444 wrote:
My older brother has been a total piece of dogshit to me my whole life. Stealing, lying, subterfuge, career sabotage - you name it, he did...

My older brother has been a total piece of dogshit to me my whole life. Stealing, lying, subterfuge, career sabotage - you name it, he did it. Because of that, I've been happily estranged from him for decades now. I see the Lawrences for what they are, a family built around commitment and love, and for all you who think the sport should be bigger than love and family and it should be dog-eat-dog even if it's your brother doing the mauling? - I have no words for you except to say you should pray your actual life doesn't mirror your beliefs. If - IF - Jett did slow up to help his brother win? - well, we all know he'll never admit it because he's got bigger, more important priorities - and that, to me, is simply lovely. 

I agree with everything you just wrote. But as I said in another thread, now that Hunter has a premier class championship, no more Mulligans. He's going to have to close them out on his own. 

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I agree with everything you just wrote. But as I said in another thread, now that Hunter has a premier class championship, no more Mulligans. He's...

I agree with everything you just wrote. But as I said in another thread, now that Hunter has a premier class championship, no more Mulligans. He's going to have to close them out on his own. 

100 percent.

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The insanity in this thread knows no bounds. The Lawrence’s have nothing to gain by fixing this. They sat in the literal perfect position. Jett over jumped the Deegen jump in practice which hurt his ankle. Then the first lap the dude tucked it under his tire and rolled it. Go back to the truck, get taped up, get a Toradol shot and he came out stronger in moto 2. 

Nothing is out of the ordinary. Both were already multi millionaires, both parents are happy they have raised successful, family oriented, good individuals. Some of y’all need to get a grip on reality and not stay in fantasy land. 

Bunch of goobers 

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8/30/2026 7:19am

Essentially we have two possibilities. Either Jett was hurt and did his best or he threw the race. You can make a strong case for he was hurt. Obvious reasons. You can make a case for he started throwing the championship at unadilla when Hunter crashed going down the hill. 

 

There's evidence for both sides of the argument. And that's life in a nutshell. We don't have to be divided over this though like we usually are

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8/30/2026 7:26am

jett looked like a pretty bad actor in the post race weege show on youtube..."so you were already hurting when you saw hunter and deegs down?"

"honestly I don't even know man, i can't remember when it happened"

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It's all very simple to understand, guys. Jett looks up to his older brother and felt bad for all the things that have happened to him...

It's all very simple to understand, guys. Jett looks up to his older brother and felt bad for all the things that have happened to him this year. 

Jett wanted Hunter to win more than he wanted to win. It made him feel great that Hunter won the title. You could literally see it on Jett's face.

If you have an older brother you look up to and have plenty of 'titles' sitting on the shelf and millions of dollars, this makes a lot of sense.

I read recently the family pools together all the salary and individual sponsor $ into a trust for the bros, but they get to keep any bonuses for title wins. That being the case, either 1 of them "throwing" a race to let the other win the title is also throwing away a good chunk of play $ they earned. Neither will be hurting for $ with that trust so I would expect competitive spirit to be the driver for the title regardless of family.

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mikedez wrote:
jett looked like a pretty bad actor in the post race weege show on youtube..."so you were already hurting when you saw hunter and deegs down?""honestly...

jett looked like a pretty bad actor in the post race weege show on youtube..."so you were already hurting when you saw hunter and deegs down?"

"honestly I don't even know man, i can't remember when it happened"

I saw that too lol. 

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And that ruined his starts for the last 2 weeks?

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kage173 wrote:

So the best starter in history came around the first turn in 22nd and you want to tell me it's his ankle? 🙄

crusty_xx wrote:

How does dabbing your foot on lap 1 lead to a bad start in that same moto in your world? 

Wtf are you talking about? The start is before the first lap in my world. Maybe you do it differently.

Jett had third gate pick and is the best starter in the world. He came around first turn in 20th place. So, you tell me, how in the fuck does him dabbing his foot on the first lap lead to the worst start of his entire 450 career?

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bens 152 wrote:
And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1...

And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. 

Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1 spot so often. There are no gimmes in motocross, who gives a f about the last round. Hunter got 6 overalls Jett got 4. Hunter was the best this summer.

CPR wrote:

Thought the same, but it seems there’s lots of butt hurt sad saps clutching at straws.

Stop trying to flip the script and say we didn't see what we saw and that we have on tinfoil hats and the like.  I mean don't worry, you'll have the industry shills like Matthes to do that work for you, but we know what we saw.  We most certainly won't get an honest take from Paul Perebijnos this time around.  

ML even made it a point to say almost immediately afterwards that Jett really did look hurt.  Almost as if Lindsey knew what people were thinking.  Come on, put some new batteries in those bullshit detectors you guys have been using all season when it comes to Haiden Deegan.

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8/30/2026 10:46am
kage173 wrote:

So the best starter in history came around the first turn in 22nd and you want to tell me it's his ankle? 🙄

crusty_xx wrote:

How does dabbing your foot on lap 1 lead to a bad start in that same moto in your world? 

kage173 wrote:
Wtf are you talking about? The start is before the first lap in my world. Maybe you do it differently.Jett had third gate pick and is...

Wtf are you talking about? The start is before the first lap in my world. Maybe you do it differently.

Jett had third gate pick and is the best starter in the world. He came around first turn in 20th place. So, you tell me, how in the fuck does him dabbing his foot on the first lap lead to the worst start of his entire 450 career?

fair enough, I misread your comment.
But still, I'm not ready to say Jett threw the championship because he had a bad start. He had a decent jump but got squeezed by two orange bikes. Prado had the gatepick on him and was simply on the inside. Nothing he could do... He's been outside the top 10 off the start in 5 other motos this year. So like every 3rd moto this year was outside the top 10. His starts haven't been nearly as good this year as they used to be.

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Bla-bla-bla...... this is what hyper social media does to a sport... and daily life. Suddenly everybody is an expert, everyone has an opinion..... and an asshole. 

Bla-bla-bla..... put radios in riders' helmets like the F1 Gen Z pussies do,  let's add some more white noise so the iPhone generation can have more gossip to lose their shit over, watching the world go by through their celphones in mommy's basement... 

"Fuuuuck bro-o-o-o, did you hear what Lips said to his like vlogger when he like whipped it like gnarly over that like 15-foot step-up double?? Like, radical, dude! Fuuuuuck brooooo..."

WHITE NOISE. Moron fuel. 

 

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Hahah... just fast forwarded Johnny Hoppers YouTube on yesterday...  what's wrong with people, 'fraud' and 'exposing the plan' hahaha... does it really matter, The Brothers were the fastest this season, 70points is the proof, did it really matter who won for the larger fanbase? ...next year again, will be exciting with Sexton and Coenens and a fast Prado.  ...get over it, Hunter won and now onto the 'finals' and then we'll wait for '27.

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8/30/2026 10:57am
crusty_xx wrote:

How does dabbing your foot on lap 1 lead to a bad start in that same moto in your world? 

kage173 wrote:
Wtf are you talking about? The start is before the first lap in my world. Maybe you do it differently.Jett had third gate pick and is...

Wtf are you talking about? The start is before the first lap in my world. Maybe you do it differently.

Jett had third gate pick and is the best starter in the world. He came around first turn in 20th place. So, you tell me, how in the fuck does him dabbing his foot on the first lap lead to the worst start of his entire 450 career?

crusty_xx wrote:
fair enough, I misread your comment.But still, I'm not ready to say Jett threw the championship because he had a bad start. He had a decent...

fair enough, I misread your comment.
But still, I'm not ready to say Jett threw the championship because he had a bad start. He had a decent jump but got squeezed by two orange bikes. Prado had the gatepick on him and was simply on the inside. Nothing he could do... He's been outside the top 10 off the start in 5 other motos this year. So like every 3rd moto this year was outside the top 10. His starts haven't been nearly as good this year as they used to be.

You want us to really believe Jett got 5 seconds a lap faster from moto 1 to moto 2? Because that is how his "fastest lap" changed. AFTER his "injury"....  His fastest lap in moto 1 was a 2:15 and a 2:10 in moto 2. Yea sure.. ok.... 

Jett saw hunter down with Deegan and pulled up. Case closed. Is that it is. No one can touch those 2 right now but that was clearly obvious.  

Hunter was choking it away and little bro stepped in to save him. 

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8500rpm wrote:
Hahah... just fast forwarded Johnny Hoppers YouTube on yesterday...  what's wrong with people, 'fraud' and 'exposing the plan' hahaha... does it really matter, The Brothers were...

Hahah... just fast forwarded Johnny Hoppers YouTube on yesterday...  what's wrong with people, 'fraud' and 'exposing the plan' hahaha... does it really matter, The Brothers were the fastest this season, 70points is the proof, did it really matter who won for the larger fanbase? ...next year again, will be exciting with Sexton and Coenens and a fast Prado.  ...get over it, Hunter won and now onto the 'finals' and then we'll wait for '27.

No one really denies they are 1 and 2. I just think most fans of the sport dont want to see rigged races. 

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8/30/2026 11:01am

No one will remember George Prado's finish line espresso sip.  Pinky all the way the fuck out, too. 

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8/30/2026 11:02am Edited Date/Time 8/30/2026 11:14am

Looks guys, you gotta let this one slide. Hunter won, no matter what you want to theorize. If Jett felt bad and didn’t give 100% that’s something he will have to live with. It’s like Talladega Nights, good ole shake N bake with Ricky Bobby and Cal. They couldn’t go on as long as possible when Ricky never let Cal win. How many years of getting 2nd could Hunter realistically take? Hunter being behind Jett was helping Jett win those titles. Hunter never tried to take him out or do things he prob would have if it wasn’t his brother. This is a special relationship and duo that we might never see in racing again unless the Coenen bros can do something similar. If you’re mad or disappointed in the Lawrence bros, just root for Deegan or Prado or anyone else idrc but don’t be mad or disappointed in the sport/series itself. The Lawrences have consistently put themselves in contention to dictate these championships.


 I do think Hunter was the better rider all Summer and I thought before MX started that he would win it. That DNF at Unadilla made it closer than it should have been. Hunter really needs to clean up those small mistakes but maybe now that the monkey is off his back of being 2nd place everytime he can ride more free. Deegan and Prado are getting better, we got the Coenen bros coming, I expect a return to form for Chase Sexton at some point AND we got Davies moving to a 450 in a couple years so it’s only going to get more difficult to win the 450 titles. The future of both classes is looking bright..oh and the women are ripping!

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bens 152 wrote:
And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1...

And I thought no one would be mad at Hunter winning. 

Dude deserves it. Puts his best foot forward season after season coming up short by 1 spot so often. There are no gimmes in motocross, who gives a f about the last round. Hunter got 6 overalls Jett got 4. Hunter was the best this summer.

Hunter had a great season but if he was really the best why did Jett have to wait for him and ride like crap 1st moto at budds. But either way they both kicked ass this yr. Just wanted some honest racing for the finale. The last race of SX was an increadible, this was the opposite. Hopefully Prado and Lucas can make it more honest next yr.

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If someone other than Jett was going to win if he passed Hunter, him throwing the race would make a lot more sense. I personally don't think he would lose a championship on purpose. 

Same with the famous "Let Brock Bye" (McCartey misspelled two of the three words). They would not have done that if Hannah was going to win.

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Well, I wrote this in another thread before the weekend and I still stand by it..

I have zero problem with Hunter winning the title, I have been a fan of him since mxdn 2017. The problem I have is Jett’s effort in this final race, and the Weege post race show did not help either. I put as much stock in to what Jett is saying there as Haidens defense in not going to France. 

Hunter rode his heart out yesterday just like we all knew he would, I just think that Jett had a mental brakedown and was not gonna rip Hunters heart out making him lose a title again. Therefore I believe that had it been any other rider on the gate Jett was up against in the same scenario, he wins it.

It’s sad to see the shit Hunter get now from people saying it’s fixed, since Hunter gave it all he had, if you want to point at someone he should not be one of them…


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I don’t chim in often but my wtf radar was going off hardcore. Either way they both made more than I did in the last how many years in one day. 

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