Ryno: Americans are less skilled at motocross because our tracks are pampered and we don't ride when its wet

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Found something quite interesting. 

Raced EMX 125 class:

Hunter Lawrence*

Jorge Prado 

Dylan Ferrandis 

Lucas Coenen 

Sacha Coenen 

Mikkel Kaarup*

* = 125 junior world championship 

A true developmental class on the international stage producing results? Who'd have thought....

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Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it. Listen to Webb talk about being checked out on the outdoors, they just don't care. A select few just want to win and are really good, but when you have guys riding around just trying to get top 5 or 10 to not look too bad that's all you need to know. 

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7/26/2026 9:30pm
Timo wrote:
Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it...

Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it. Listen to Webb talk about being checked out on the outdoors, they just don't care. A select few just want to win and are really good, but when you have guys riding around just trying to get top 5 or 10 to not look too bad that's all you need to know. 

There is no American rider in the 250s that will do anything in 450 SX/MX mayve Ryder d that's it for now.

 

Its not just an MX issue.

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Timo wrote:
Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it...

Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it. Listen to Webb talk about being checked out on the outdoors, they just don't care. A select few just want to win and are really good, but when you have guys riding around just trying to get top 5 or 10 to not look too bad that's all you need to know. 

Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

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Timo wrote:
Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it...

Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it. Listen to Webb talk about being checked out on the outdoors, they just don't care. A select few just want to win and are really good, but when you have guys riding around just trying to get top 5 or 10 to not look too bad that's all you need to know. 

There is no American rider in the 250s that will do anything in 450 SX/MX mayve Ryder d that's it for now. Its not just an MX...

There is no American rider in the 250s that will do anything in 450 SX/MX mayve Ryder d that's it for now.

 

Its not just an MX issue.

I don't think Ryder D will do much. He's been in the 250s for a few years already and has barely got any podiums. 

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Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

Webb with fry 1.jpg?VersionId=uPKE gfWAxIPAkpj50zjqRtX

You give bogans a worse name.

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Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

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ShellyMX wrote:

You give bogans a worse name.

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

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7/27/2026 1:12am
Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

Webb doesn't care about motocross because he sucks so much at it. 

Webb with fry 1.jpg?VersionId=uPKE gfWAxIPAkpj50zjqRtX
ShellyMX wrote:

You give bogans a worse name.

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior...

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

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7/27/2026 1:22am

Personally I don't think it has anything to do with weather, tracks, etc...we just haven't seen "that" type of gifted individiual in long time. Not taking anything away from current riders as they are amazing. I just think it has to do with an individual with that type of skill, mindset, etc. If you have it and the desire you can ride anywhere and be phenominal. Flame on...

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I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

Jason Anderson. 

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7/27/2026 1:32am
Timo wrote:
Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it...

Our really good riders don't care about mx, that's the main difference. If mx paid as well as supercross, they'd all be way better at it. Listen to Webb talk about being checked out on the outdoors, they just don't care. A select few just want to win and are really good, but when you have guys riding around just trying to get top 5 or 10 to not look too bad that's all you need to know. 

There is no American rider in the 250s that will do anything in 450 SX/MX mayve Ryder d that's it for now. Its not just an MX...

There is no American rider in the 250s that will do anything in 450 SX/MX mayve Ryder d that's it for now.

 

Its not just an MX issue.

I don't think Ryder D will do much. He's been in the 250s for a few years already and has barely got any podiums. 

Yeah I just mentioned him because I think he has more in the tank and it isnt known how good he can be.

 

The rest of them you pretty much know what theyre about.

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7/27/2026 1:35am
ShellyMX wrote:

You give bogans a worse name.

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior...

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

He just isnt good on a 450 outdoors, yes today he doesnt care for outdoors.

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7/27/2026 1:39am
ShellyMX wrote:

You give bogans a worse name.

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior...

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

The King himself wasn’t stellar outdoors.

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7/27/2026 1:50am
need2ride wrote:

We're still listening to Ryno?

tek14 wrote:

Well he isnt wrong. All I can see from AMA riders practice on smooth groomed tracks. MXGP riders wait until track get rough before they practice. 

In 2018 I travelled over to Lommel, the 1st day it was really rough, Maxine Renuax, Peta Petrov & Marshall Weltin were there, they were stupid fast. The next day, the track had been groomed flat, no GP guys turned up that day. 

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Besides the rocks, riding at Loket looked much more fun to me than most national tracks. Hard pack and dust won't kill you!

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In 2018 I travelled over to Lommel, the 1st day it was really rough, Maxine Renuax, Peta Petrov & Marshall Weltin were there, they were stupid...

In 2018 I travelled over to Lommel, the 1st day it was really rough, Maxine Renuax, Peta Petrov & Marshall Weltin were there, they were stupid fast. The next day, the track had been groomed flat, no GP guys turned up that day. 

Sand tracks need to be rough! Everyone fast on a smooth sand track…..sadly…in the USA outdoor Mx is not a top priority….We desperately need 125 & 250 EMX series…give our younger guys a chance to mature while they move up the pro ranks ….many of our “Next big thing” riders get swallowed up and spit out before they can establish themselves…..

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7/27/2026 5:11am

His point about the tracks is 100% valid. The regional at Millville last year was way gnarlier than the national last weekend. It looked like a freeway out there and the crew smoothed sections out every chance they got. The top 5 in MX2 could win in the USA right now and if it weren’t for the Hunter brothers, Coenen and Herlings would win here also. 

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Now that im old, if my track is wet and muddy, im not riding on it. Hate cleaning my bike after and I hate being out of control and all over the place. I like to have that smooothhhh flow. 

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KHNC wrote:
Now that im old, if my track is wet and muddy, im not riding on it. Hate cleaning my bike after and I hate being out...

Now that im old, if my track is wet and muddy, im not riding on it. Hate cleaning my bike after and I hate being out of control and all over the place. I like to have that smooothhhh flow. 

All the tracks start out wet & muddy now….but most tracks don’t open if rain in the forecast….I can remember when we first started riding, we didn’t care about rain or mud, we just love to ride…..I”m old also…I don’t mind some mud but if its pouring rain out……I”m out😂….

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7/27/2026 7:59am

Ryno's a whack job but at the core a lot of what he says is true.

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I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

Strangely in an interview last week, webb said his 2017 national run was ruined by him partying too much??? Never thought of him as a party boy... 

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7/27/2026 10:07am

Curious if the euro guys practice on tracks that mimic the tracks they race? Everytime i watch clips of the Americans practice tracks they are relatively smooth. 

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7/27/2026 10:14am

If it was muddy, I knew I was going to have a good time.  I loved the slop.

Ryan is out there sometimes, but he's not wrong here.

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7/27/2026 10:18am
There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior...

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

McGrath? 

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7/27/2026 10:23am

Ryno is making sense here….is the cowboy look out now? Sounds like Ryno wants to train someone for the GP”s….who”s in? 

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7/27/2026 10:28am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2026 10:31am
sandman768 wrote:

Ryno is making sense here….is the cowboy look out now? Sounds like Ryno wants to train someone for the GP”s….who”s in? 

That was more of a “Taos Garbage Hippy” look that he was sportin’, than Cowboy. 

IMG 3203 5
 

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I think a lot of tracks don't open when it rains or is muddy for 2 reasons, no one will show up,  and they don't want the pits torn up from vehicles on soggy days.

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There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior...

There has never been a SX champion - let alone a multi-time SX champion - that has underperformed in MX as much as The Outdoor Warrior. Whether it is due to lack of ability or because he couldn't be arsed putting in the work, the fact remains he has massively underperformed. 

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

The King himself wasn’t stellar outdoors.

He's not on the mount Rushmore of outdoor moto sure... but one premier class title, and very nearly two when he tried a jump that wasn't physically possible and hurt himself.

Also far and away the best 250 rider in the world at des nations that same season.  I do see your point though. 

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7/27/2026 10:36am
gt80rider wrote:

So.... our guys practicing sx 90 percent of the time doesn't factor in??? 🤣

Perhaps, but it didn't stop RC from destroying everyone he lined up against for ten straight years.

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7/27/2026 10:41am
I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. But yeah, I can’t...

I downvoted you. Webb never used to suck outdoors on a 250, I think he lost interest when he got on a 450. 

But yeah, I can’t think of another premier class SX champion that didn’t also have a premier class Outdoor championship dating back to the early 80s. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Jason Anderson. 

Well done! I couldn’t think of anyone. 

 

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