Deegan blatantly cutting the track

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CPR wrote:

Only penalised for cutting the track on 7 laps, and nothing for the off track acceleration; I think Deegan got off easy.

Accelerating off‑track isn’t a penalty we go through this every year multiple times.

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Please see the second penalty below:

Please see the second penalty below:

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Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

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Accelerating off‑track isn’t a penalty we go through this every year multiple times.

CPR wrote:
Please see the second penalty below:

Please see the second penalty below:

IMG 4356 9.jpeg?VersionId=aDvMf.4Fd3lb8v
Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

LoL...Ya shoulda just backpedalled it rather than doing whatever it is you tried to do there.  

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Accelerating off‑track isn’t a penalty we go through this every year multiple times.

CPR wrote:
Please see the second penalty below:

Please see the second penalty below:

IMG 4356 9.jpeg?VersionId=aDvMf.4Fd3lb8v
Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

Obviously, when we are talking about acceleration off track we are inferring the "attempting to gain an advantage" clause as presupposed.
Nobody is arguing that somebody who comes to a stop off track should be stuck there permanently because it would require acceleration just to re-enter.

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CPR wrote:
Please see the second penalty below:

Please see the second penalty below:

IMG 4356 9.jpeg?VersionId=aDvMf.4Fd3lb8v
Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

mooch wrote:

LoL...Ya shoulda just backpedalled it rather than doing whatever it is you tried to do there.  

“Why? Because you don’t understand it? The rule has multiple elements the rule is not ‘accelerate off‑track = penalty.’ That’s not how it works and pretending it is doesn’t make it true. If you can’t recognize that other parts of the rule are applied for penalty, that’s on you. 

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More classic examples (both the track cutting and post-race shit talking after getting straight up beat) of having a dad like Dazzy vs one like Brian. 

The father makes all the difference.

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Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

mooch wrote:

LoL...Ya shoulda just backpedalled it rather than doing whatever it is you tried to do there.  

“Why? Because you don’t understand it? The rule has multiple elements the rule is not ‘accelerate off‑track = penalty.’ That’s not how it works and pretending...

“Why? Because you don’t understand it? The rule has multiple elements the rule is not ‘accelerate off‑track = penalty.’ That’s not how it works and pretending it is doesn’t make it true. If you can’t recognize that other parts of the rule are applied for penalty, that’s on you. 

LoL...OK.  

Woulda been a much better look to have properly backpedalled than to have double downed on your derrangement here.  But hey, feel free to say the same thing over and over and over if that's what makes you feel better. 

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CPR wrote:
Please see the second penalty below:

Please see the second penalty below:

IMG 4356 9.jpeg?VersionId=aDvMf.4Fd3lb8v
Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

Obviously, when we are talking about acceleration off track we are inferring the "attempting to gain an advantage" clause as presupposed.Nobody is arguing that somebody who...

Obviously, when we are talking about acceleration off track we are inferring the "attempting to gain an advantage" clause as presupposed.
Nobody is arguing that somebody who comes to a stop off track should be stuck there permanently because it would require acceleration just to re-enter.

You’re almost there just like the other poster. You can accelerate off the track without gaining an advantage and still get penalized, just like you can accelerate off the track and not get penalized. The rule isn’t binary; multiple elements are evaluated, and attempting to gain an advantage is only one of them. 

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mooch wrote:

LoL...Ya shoulda just backpedalled it rather than doing whatever it is you tried to do there.  

“Why? Because you don’t understand it? The rule has multiple elements the rule is not ‘accelerate off‑track = penalty.’ That’s not how it works and pretending...

“Why? Because you don’t understand it? The rule has multiple elements the rule is not ‘accelerate off‑track = penalty.’ That’s not how it works and pretending it is doesn’t make it true. If you can’t recognize that other parts of the rule are applied for penalty, that’s on you. 

mooch wrote:
LoL...OK.  Woulda been a much better look to have properly backpedalled than to have double downed on your derrangement here.  But hey, feel free to say...

LoL...OK.  

Woulda been a much better look to have properly backpedalled than to have double downed on your derrangement here.  But hey, feel free to say the same thing over and over and over if that's what makes you feel better. 

Lol nothing to add, so you go to insult. It’s fine if you can’t read the rule and apply it correctly, that was already clear. But that’s not my problem.

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Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of...

Oh no you got me, oh wait no you didn’t “get me.” You just exposed that you can’t read. I literally handed you the rest of the rule language later in the thread spelling out exactly how a rider can accelerate off‑track without being penalized. If you had even a basic ability to process information, you’d understand why he got dinged. I actually thought you were halfway there when with the “attempt to gain an advantage” line, but I guess that was the ceiling for you, my mistake.

Obviously, when we are talking about acceleration off track we are inferring the "attempting to gain an advantage" clause as presupposed.Nobody is arguing that somebody who...

Obviously, when we are talking about acceleration off track we are inferring the "attempting to gain an advantage" clause as presupposed.
Nobody is arguing that somebody who comes to a stop off track should be stuck there permanently because it would require acceleration just to re-enter.

You’re almost there just like the other poster. You can accelerate off the track without gaining an advantage and still get penalized, just like you can...

You’re almost there just like the other poster. You can accelerate off the track without gaining an advantage and still get penalized, just like you can accelerate off the track and not get penalized. The rule isn’t binary; multiple elements are evaluated, and attempting to gain an advantage is only one of them. 

This is a very complicated case. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in your head. 

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It’s plain and simple.

 Forget about the middle of the corner. Were the markers there, were they missing, doesn’t matter. Take that completely out of the situation.

There were markers standing at the exit of the corner. He went inside those markers. 

Even if he had stayed in the main line, then turned out early going inside those markers he’s still cutting the track. 

If he had used that inside line and then got back on track before the exit markers then this would be debatable. And the AMA probably would have docked him 1-2 spots because they know it’s debatable. But he didn’t, they gave him the large penalty because they had the evidence on live tv!  

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Its not complicated. Cutting the track isn't legal. Deegandashian got penalized. Thats not rocket science. He did it blatently for 6-7 laps desperate to get a social media video of him passing Jett even if it only lasted for a turn or two it was worth it to them to pretend they are "Rivals"..

Sadly for the Deegandashian clan Jett didn't need to cheat and still smoked him. 

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Its not complicated. Cutting the track isn't legal. Deegandashian got penalized. Thats not rocket science. He did it blatently for 6-7 laps desperate to get a...

Its not complicated. Cutting the track isn't legal. Deegandashian got penalized. Thats not rocket science. He did it blatently for 6-7 laps desperate to get a social media video of him passing Jett even if it only lasted for a turn or two it was worth it to them to pretend they are "Rivals"..

Sadly for the Deegandashian clan Jett didn't need to cheat and still smoked him. 

Sounded like he did it a dozen times but they only had film of him doing it 6 times. 
Cant say he isnt doing everything possible to win. 

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Why is JT getting shit in here for Deegan’s inability to follow the rules?

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Why is JT getting shit in here for Deegan’s inability to follow the rules?

Why didn’t JT ask Hunter about taking the same line? 

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Why is JT getting shit in here for Deegan’s inability to follow the rules?

umagumadog wrote:

Why didn’t JT ask Hunter about taking the same line? 

Because Hunter made one mistake then did not repeat the mistake. Prado did it twice, adn stopped. 

Deegan did it 7 times, and he was the rider who initially knocked down the inside track markers so he could later claim they weren't visible. 

The things a small minority of posters here say to defend a clear and obvious wrong are absolutely deranged!

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Sounded like he did it a dozen times but they only had film of him doing it 6 times. Cant say he isnt doing everything possible to...

Sounded like he did it a dozen times but they only had film of him doing it 6 times. 
Cant say he isnt doing everything possible to win. 

Yeah thats like praising a big bore guy winning in the 250 class...

It's a scumbag move....

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Why is JT getting shit in here for Deegan’s inability to follow the rules?

umagumadog wrote:

Why didn’t JT ask Hunter about taking the same line? 

I don't know, maybe because Deegan was blatant about it and actually thought he could get away with it?

On another note. is there any responsibility of the AMA to maintain track markers? If they're getting smashed on the opening lap, why not put put some tough blocks out there to make people stay on the track?

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Why didn’t JT ask Hunter about taking the same line? 

Hunter did it once and stopped. 

Deegandashian did it on purpose 7 or more times....and been penalized for it numerous times in the past. 

See the difference. 

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It’s plain and simple. Forget about the middle of the corner. Were the markers there, were they missing, doesn’t matter. Take that completely out of the situation.There...

It’s plain and simple.

 Forget about the middle of the corner. Were the markers there, were they missing, doesn’t matter. Take that completely out of the situation.

There were markers standing at the exit of the corner. He went inside those markers. 

Even if he had stayed in the main line, then turned out early going inside those markers he’s still cutting the track. 

If he had used that inside line and then got back on track before the exit markers then this would be debatable. And the AMA probably would have docked him 1-2 spots because they know it’s debatable. But he didn’t, they gave him the large penalty because they had the evidence on live tv!  

At the beginning of the moto it showed him running the 1st 4-6 over, so the entry stakes were there the 1st time he cut the track.

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Because Hunter made one mistake then did not repeat the mistake. Prado did it twice, adn stopped. Deegan did it 7 times, and he was the rider...

Because Hunter made one mistake then did not repeat the mistake. Prado did it twice, adn stopped. 

Deegan did it 7 times, and he was the rider who initially knocked down the inside track markers so he could later claim they weren't visible. 

The things a small minority of posters here say to defend a clear and obvious wrong are absolutely deranged!

So are you’re saying it would be except able for Haiden to use that line once or twice also?

You really think Hunter made a mistake? He watched Haiden do it and then willingly and knowingly took a cheat line. But who’s surprised we all know how feral those Lawrence boys are and their pack mentality. 

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Because Hunter made one mistake then did not repeat the mistake. Prado did it twice, adn stopped. Deegan did it 7 times, and he was the rider...

Because Hunter made one mistake then did not repeat the mistake. Prado did it twice, adn stopped. 

Deegan did it 7 times, and he was the rider who initially knocked down the inside track markers so he could later claim they weren't visible. 

The things a small minority of posters here say to defend a clear and obvious wrong are absolutely deranged!

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So are you’re saying it would be except able for Haiden to use that line once or twice also?You really think Hunter made a mistake? He...

So are you’re saying it would be except able for Haiden to use that line once or twice also?

You really think Hunter made a mistake? He watched Haiden do it and then willingly and knowingly took a cheat line. But who’s surprised we all know how feral those Lawrence boys are and their pack mentality. 

Hunter got docked too, so no, it's not acceptable.

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I haven’t noticed a lot of deegs doing this but listening to thunder valley review on pulp , seems like deegs be cutting a section slickly at quite a few tracks , seems like Mitch complained about deegs alot on tht & JT mentioned deegs was doing this last yr at Ironman & now here we are at thunder valley, ima start paying more attention to this cause if deegs is doing this more times than not , he def gotta cut tht shit out cause whts the purpose 

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umagumadog wrote:

Why didn’t JT ask Hunter about taking the same line? 

Is it not possible that he didn’t see the one time Hunter did it? Besides, if you think this would’ve flew under the radar had JT not said anything you’re incredibly dumb.

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CR92 wrote:

That quote bubble is far too small. 

But wait, there was more.

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I love how the press is acting like deegan really stepped it up this weekend, he was running with them!

 

Was he though? He looked like he was completely riding over his head, making mistakes everywhere, cutting the track, then 2 crashes. I can kind of hang with some A riders for a lap or 2, but I'm absolutely terrified when doing it. Just because I can hang for a lap or 2 doesn't mean I'm that fast. It just means I'm dumb enough to ride above my ability level (mid pack B ) sometimes. I'm definitely out of control when doing it, and I'm well aware of that.

 

How can people in the press not see the same thing with him?

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Deegan as a child:
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